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Old Posted Jan 24, 2020, 2:05 AM
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Here's a new promo video from STG's Instagram. It is mostly an Austin promo.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B7q1mOHl...on_share_sheet
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Old Posted Jan 24, 2020, 3:25 AM
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The building itself looks great, but I wonder what kind of "buyer" this is going to actually attract? My guess is these units will be mostly corporate/institutional investor owned.
Since it seems most self-respecting and higher end condo towers hate the idea of renters and AirBnB types.

I also can't imagine anyone making this their primary residence, given the potential to such transient activity literally right down the hall from them and the proximity to Rainey (You're in the middle of the work week, but your 'neighbors' are 4 girls from Ohio here on a girls/bachelorette vacation, or loud international tourists who don't even know what day it is since this is their 7th stop on their world tour bender of the USA...)

It will be very interesting to see where this kind of building ownership model goes in the near future once it matures...
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The building itself looks great, but I wonder what kind of "buyer" this is going to actually attract? My guess is these units will be mostly corporate/institutional investor owned.
Since it seems most self-respecting and higher end condo towers hate the idea of renters and AirBnB types.

I also can't imagine anyone making this their primary residence, given the proximity to such transient activity potentially right down the hall from them (You're in the middle of the work week, but your 'neighbors' are 4 girls from Ohio here on a girls/bachelorette vacation, or loud international tourists who don't even know what day it is since this is their 7th stop on their world tour bender of the year...)

It will be very interesting to see where this kind of building ownership model goes in the near future once it matures...
This and a sister project in Miami are the first of this kind of project as far as I know. It's basically an Airbnb experiment. So yeah, it will be interesting to see how this business model works out.
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I think it’s a very novel concept. The question is whether a building with 249-units competes against itself. Austin has enough demand to support robust Airbnb and hotel occupancy. With the new Airbnb restrictions STR in Austin is becoming harder and harder on an individual level. So it’s more difficult for less-capitalized real estate investors to scoop up one property and Airbnb it. It’s more viable for people with two homes, who can still claim one as a primary residence and fall within the maximize STR thresholds without needing to meet investor-preferred metrics.

I love what Natiivo’s trying to do here. I think the Niido concept is interesting too, but will have lower margins and higher risk unless people are really only preferring to rent out their primary rental units more casually — like when they’re away on business or for a weekend etc. Niido is more just an Airbnb friendly apartment, sort of how Airbnb was intended as a use-case to begin with while...

The ownership component Natiivo provides enables you to basically “buy” a slice of a luxury hotel without owning a piece of a hospitality group. Sort of circumvents traditional fundraising markets for hotel brands looking to expand AND provides greater opportunity to investors. A plug and play approach. That’s where I think they have leverage.

But they’re more than just Natiivo (really a brand of NGD Homesharing, which is now consumer-facing as Hostiing). They have a software arm too called “Siight” that supports Homesharing investment/management tools, which could be big in and of itself.

There’s a twist I’d like to see Natiivo add that I think could take it to an entirely different level, and I’m not sure if it’s in their plans.

Staying mum on what *I think* would be advantageous for them to do though because I’m involved in something with a group in Chicago (and hopefully ATX eventually) that could have some legs. I think Natiivo can scale, but there are limited markets that can support such a concentrated supply of Airbnb packaged in this type of single-tower density.

Big affordability issue with Airbnb in the context of RE investors taking over markets though. Boston basically became an outpost for Homesharing “hotels” popping up in single residences all over the city, which priced out locals and young professionals from urban living and accessibility. Happening in plenty of places and that’s why this pushback between local and municipal governments and a billion dollar industry with a leading company at Unicorn status with lobbyists in its pocket will be an interesting seesaw. Where and when the dust settles will still leave some level of opportunity.

I think there’s a happy medium that’s more scalable, doesn’t overpower cities with STR but still allows it to breathe as an industry that even the community can benefit from. Part of that added twist I was talking about. Anyway, mark me down as a Natiivo fan, and I hope I can eventually “share” (no pun intended ) more details on my project if it ever truly materializes.
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I don't understand why owner-occupied STR is not more common.
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The question is whether a building with 249-units competes against itself.
This is a really interesting question. My hotel is a tower of several hundred rooms, all of which are under a single pricing entity. We have control of ALL of our inventory, and can decide when to drop rates, or increase rates based on market demand.

With the Natiivo, you have theoretically 249 one-room hotels trying to undercut one another for occupancy (though, on a given night, there's little chance that every unit is going to be for rent). Very interesting experiment.
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This is a really interesting question. My hotel is a tower of several hundred rooms, all of which are under a single pricing entity. We have control of ALL of our inventory, and can decide when to drop rates, or increase rates based on market demand.

With the Natiivo, you have theoretically 249 one-room hotels trying to undercut one another for occupancy (though, on a given night, there's little chance that every unit is going to be for rent). Very interesting experiment.
Except that most of the owners will likely rent through the building management, because that is what makes this more attractive than owning a condo or house for the sake of renting it out when not in Austin. So the vast majority of units will likely be under a single pricing entity as well.

I see this type of development being attractive to people who plan to spend a substantial amount, but not full time in a given city. Say, 6 months in one location, and 6 months in another.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2020, 9:05 AM
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Well here’s a twist:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...hernandez/amp/

I wonder what this means for this project. It’s no secret “Powered By Airbnb” was simply a proxy for “Powered By NGD Homesharing” or better known as Hostiing, so the property management aspect doesn’t change and homeowners were never locked into using Airbnb exclusively.

The name is coming off for sure, but more importantly, could this building lose the right to use Airbnb as its portal entirely? And what about all the pre-sales made to this end. Property is in its own LLC, go and read the “Legal” section on the website and it distances itself heavily from NGD Homesharing and Airbnb as far as recourse, but what if you signed a pre-sale contract thinking you were buying into the first residential building with the blue chip Airbnb name and badge on it... what’s next?

If you sue 48 East Property, LLC “the Developer” seems like you could pretty easily pierce the veil to include NGD and Pearlstone as “alter egos” of the property entity since they’re the joint development partners on it. (Although I’m not sure the logistics of such a lawsuit by people who want to ditch their pre-sale contracts and who they can go after for recourse. The whole limited liability thing in real estate has always been a curious question for me, especially when developers plaster their names all over exterior fencing, marketing, and websites but still want insulation. Seems hard to get away with. Just look at WCC and all their sub-entities and claims against the parent)

Idk. Hard to really unpack what the effects of this will be. Likely less scaling for Natiivo and Niido in other cities, that’s for sure, but I wonder what it could mean for this specific project. Maybe not much at the end of the day, if prospective owners still trust NGD and are fine listing on other portals, but the brand Natiivo just lost a massive strategic partner. And you have to wonder if Pearlstone Partners, who had long conceived a project (of many vacillating types) at this location will just cut the licensing deal with Natiivo/Airbnb, keep Newgard Development (but not it’s sub NGD Homesharing) as a partner and convert this into just a normal condo play or a hotel with a different brand operator. Or maybe it’s business as usual, just no mention of Airbnb and 48 East in the same sentence ever again.

I was a huge fan of this project, so this is disappointing. But what I still feel is an innovative concept doesn’t change in premise at least. It just seems to possibly spell doom for the mass scaling they had previously planned in the pipeline.
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nvm, posted my question in the appropriate thread...
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As I understand it they removed the "Powered by AirBnB" so that they could work with all such mediums. VRBO (HomeAway) presence in Austin could have factored into this. I toured their sales center this week and learned more about it. Sales are strong folks are excited.
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As I understand it they removed the "Powered by AirBnB" so that they could work with all such mediums. VRBO (HomeAway) presence in Austin could have factored into this. I toured their sales center this week and learned more about it. Sales are strong folks are excited.
Interesting. That makes sense from a sales perspective for sure, hard to limit buyers to one portal. This lawsuit of course makes other claims as well. Rendering still shows “Powered By Airbnb” on the tower. That move also could have been in preparation because they knew this other hammer was coming down.

Anyway, the project itself is still an awesome concept and I hope it succeeds! I’m just wondering what downstream effects or implications could from it. Given you just visited last week, sounds like not much - which is a good sign.
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Condos in general seem so strong in Austin that I bet the lawsuit has little effect on this project other than no Airbnb affiliation.
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The building itself looks great, but I wonder what kind of "buyer" this is going to actually attract? My guess is these units will be mostly corporate/institutional investor owned.
Since it seems most self-respecting and higher end condo towers hate the idea of renters and AirBnB types.

I also can't imagine anyone making this their primary residence, given the potential to such transient activity literally right down the hall from them and the proximity to Rainey (You're in the middle of the work week, but your 'neighbors' are 4 girls from Ohio here on a girls/bachelorette vacation, or loud international tourists who don't even know what day it is since this is their 7th stop on their world tour bender of the USA...)

It will be very interesting to see where this kind of building ownership model goes in the near future once it matures...
Well, the lawsuit may burst my bubble, but as a FYI. I have a 2br under contract. I live rural on Lake Travis, but the wife and I (and early 20yr old children) love downtown. We have a unit at 5th & West that we use on many weekends, but we can't do STR with it, so feels like a bit of a waste of $. Wanted the Natiivo unit so that I can still use it often, but rent out as possible. (By the way, too quiet at 5th & W, prefer a little more activity that Natiivo may provide since we don't live there all the time)
My plan was to let the Hotel manage my unit initially and see how it goes cash flow wise, but if too slow, I may go on my own and be more competitive to keep it active.
So, initial thought losing Airbnb makes me nervous, but having other options may be ok. We'll see.
I'll rent 5th&W long term once this one is ready, plus I have a 44 East unit under contract to rent long term as well.
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Well, the lawsuit may burst my bubble, but as a FYI. I have a 2br under contract. I live rural on Lake Travis, but the wife and I (and early 20yr old children) love downtown. We have a unit at 5th & West that we use on many weekends, but we can't do STR with it, so feels like a bit of a waste of $. Wanted the Natiivo unit so that I can still use it often, but rent out as possible. (By the way, too quiet at 5th & W, prefer a little more activity that Natiivo may provide since we don't live there all the time)
My plan was to let the Hotel manage my unit initially and see how it goes cash flow wise, but if too slow, I may go on my own and be more competitive to keep it active.
So, initial thought losing Airbnb makes me nervous, but having other options may be ok. We'll see.
I'll rent 5th&W long term once this one is ready, plus I have a 44 East unit under contract to rent long term as well.
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Natiivo apparently has a (non-public) construction webcam. They post time lapse videos on the projects Facebook page:

https://www.facebook.com/NatiivoAust...4320480420655/
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The core is about a floor above the neighboring parking garages. Looks like there's two more floors of parking for Natiivo itself.
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