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Originally Posted by JMKeynes
That simply appears to be a massing model that has no bearing to the actual design. The original massing models shown for 270 are completely different from Foster's leaked model that Yimby posted.
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That's because, as you may recall, the design for 270 had to be revised because of the whole open plaza thing. We never saw the massing for what the eventual tower would be at the time, just an altered version of the graphic as was presented. It's not like that current design was on standby to be plugged in at the hearings.
As for this tower, yes, it is just a stacking diagram, but the form is obvious. There will be a base with a setback at 301 ft (the specific figure given) and the tower will rise to 1,050 ft minus roof elements that could go as high as 1,080 ft, which would be the total roof height. We usually get parapets to hide those things, so it would surprise me if the tower ended up a little higher than that. Of course the height could be revised downwards. One way could be an adjustment in floor heights, but they seem to know what they want and are working with here. No surprises. I see a 25 ft lobby, followed by close to 20 ft difference in floors. The will be 36 ft between the top of the vent structure and the cantilever. When we get into approvals, you will see more specifics on views, shadows, etc.
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Originally Posted by rgarri4
I actually wouldn't mind a modern boxy design here. New York has so many points spikes in its skyline it might be a relief to see some thing bold boxy that isn't a super skinny.
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Then you sir may not know the New York skyline. It is nothing but row upon row of boxy. Even the relief we might have gotten from the Hudson Yards is nothing but bulky buildings. Everything at the WTC is bulky and boxy, and midtown east is headed in that same direction. The New York skyline has a few super skinny skyscrapers, but they hardly define skyscrapers in New York. That being said, I welcome the box here because it won't be the dominant building in the area. I actually find boxes to be a pure form of skyscraper, but not for purposes of defining the skyline.
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Originally Posted by mrnyc
yes, the mta certainly is having funding issues:
aggregate $16 billion deficit through 2024.
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That's mostly from lack of ridership, which had to happen. Ridership is picking up, but that just stops the bleeding. Funding issues will lead to more cuts in service or upgrades unless there is more emergency funding. At least there will be funding for the improvements and access around this tower and others like it.
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Originally Posted by JMKeynes
With all of these new towers, NY is so solidly securing its position as the US city with absolutely no peer whatsoever.
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I don't know what you're talking about. If you're talking about in number of skyscrapers or supertalls, that much is and has been obvious, and there really is no need for that statement. Let's just keep the discussion on this tower.