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Old Posted Feb 17, 2014, 10:03 PM
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I will take new pictures the next time I cross the bridge. Looks like more snow possible tomorrow, but it should finally warm up later this week.
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Thanks J! --very much appreciated! I can't wait for some warmer weather too. It's a freezer here when ya get outside the city in the hills.
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Well, it doesn't look like they've made much progress this winter on the south side demo. I guess that's not terribly surprising. If I'm not mistaken, the double towers that will occupy this spot will actually be built last. The factory buildings north of the refinery may be further demolished. I'll have to go down to Kent sometime soon to check it out.



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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/nyregi...ts-roadblock-new-mayor.html?ref=nyregion

Plan to Redevelop Brooklyn Sugar Factory Hits Snag: De Blasio





By CHARLES V. BAGLI
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For years, the plan to redevelop the Domino Sugar refinery in Williamsburg was viewed in the neighborhood with dread, roundly derided as a line of bulky new buildings that would clog the Brooklyn waterfront.

But when a new developer took over the property two years ago, he completely redesigned the buildings, expanded the park space, added office space for tech firms and kept the previous owner’s promise that 660 of the 2,300 apartments, an unusually large proportion by New York standards, would be set aside for low- and middle-income tenants.

With these moves — and smaller ones like adding tables for domino games — the developer, Jed Walentas, won over virtually all of the neighborhood groups and elected officials.

But despite all that, Mr. Walentas’s $1.5 billion proposal is now in jeopardy with the new mayor, Bill de Blasio.
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The former Domino Sugar refinery, seen from the Williamsburg Bridge. The refinery would be converted into offices as part of a planned $1.5 billion development.

The mayor’s administration is insisting that the developer add even more space for affordable housing and, as a result, fewer market-rate apartments, in exchange for the zoning changes that Mr. Walentas needs to build his towers with spectacular views of Midtown Manhattan.

Mr. Walentas is balking, and has even threatened to revert to the older, unpopular plan.

“I’d very much like to work this out with them,” Mr. Walentas said on Thursday. “But what they’re currently asking for is not workable.”

With the New York Planning Commission set to vote on the project on Wednesday, Domino Sugar has become a test of the mayor’s resolve to “reset” the city’s relationship with developers and extract more concessions from them, with a goal of building or preserving 200,000 units of affordable housing.

.....The issues came to a head on Monday and Wednesday, when Mr. Walentas met with Carl Weisbrod, the new city planning commissioner, and Alicia Glen, the deputy mayor for housing and economic development.

“The administration has been very clear: When the city creates significant additional value for developers through the zoning process, the public should receive its fair share of affordable housing,” Ms. Glen said on Thursday.

.....Many community activists worried that the new developer would renege on the promise to build 660 affordable apartments, especially after it was discovered that under the old owner’s plan, the one Mr. Walentas has threatened to revert to, only 440 were actually required.

Mr. Walentas overhauled the plans for the project. He repositioned the buildings so that they were perpendicular to the waterfront, eliminating the previous plan’s wall of towers parallel to the shoreline that created a separate, almost private, enclave. He restored the street grid, expanded the park and planned for more office space in the old refinery building.

He also agreed to keep the promise to build 660 units of affordable housing, but in exchange he wanted city approval to build four towers taller than the older plan envisioned, ranging roughly 40 to 50 stories.

.....Under city guidelines for this project, a family of four with a combined income of up to $51,540 would be considered low income; up to $68,720 would be considered moderate; and up to $107,375 would be considered middle income.

At the meetings this week, the city officials laid out their demands, asking Mr. Walentas to dedicate more space — 50,000 square feet, the equivalent of about 60 apartments — for affordable housing, in exchange for allowing him to build taller towers. But the developer argued that if he did that he would have fewer market-rate apartments, whose profitability makes the park, the affordable housing and a school possible.

City officials, however, argued that they were not necessarily looking for more units; they wanted more two- and three-bedroom apartments and fewer small one-bedroom units and studios.


Mr. Walentas countered that his plans indicated that 30 percent of the affordable apartments would be two- and three-bedroom units.

Like most developers, Mr. Walentas is expecting to get subsidies and tax breaks from city and state housing programs for providing affordable housing, and the availability of those incentives could become an issue in talks between the two sides.
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Unbelievable.

Build affordable housing elsewhere, not in a higher end development.
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De Blasio's clearly pro-development - he's made it clear that easing the housing supply shortfall is the best way to create more affordable housing. My best guess is that he just wants to get as much guaranteed affordable housing out of this project to set a baseline for similar negotiations going forward, and to demonstrate to his supporters (who are not necessarily responsive to the supply/demand argument) that he's fighting for affordable housing. I'd be very surprised, though, if he actually allowed the project to get spiked.
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De Blasio's clearly pro-development - he's made it clear that easing the housing supply shortfall is the best way to create more affordable housing. My best guess is that he just wants to get as much guaranteed affordable housing out of this project to set a baseline for similar negotiations going forward, and to demonstrate to his supporters (who are not necessarily responsive to the supply/demand argument) that he's fighting for affordable housing. I'd be very surprised, though, if he actually allowed the project to get spiked.
And I don't disagree with that, but to threaten the future of a project is insane. He could build more affordable housing if he just let market rate apartments go up then used the additional tax revenue from them to build affordable units in less expensive neighborhoods. Forcing affordable housing into expensive developments isn't going to get the number of units he wants, and these kinds of games are just going to scare developers.
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And I don't disagree with that, but to threaten the future of a project is insane. He could build more affordable housing if he just let market rate apartments go up then used the additional tax revenue from them to build affordable units in less expensive neighborhoods. Forcing affordable housing into expensive developments isn't going to get the number of units he wants, and these kinds of games are just going to scare developers.
And I don't disagree with you... But just think about the political imagery: having run on a platform centered around more affordable housing, he can't just green light every luxury development in sight and call it a job well done. I mean, you and I know that that might be the best way, in practice, to produce more affordable housing, but that's not how it would look to most folks. And for all we know, he is saying exactly this to these developers behind the scenes.
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And I don't disagree with that, but to threaten the future of a project is insane.
He's "playing tough" because that's his campaign promise. It's rhetoric.

He isn't going to stop a project. Carl Weisbroad is his chief negotiator, and Alicia Glenn is his housing person. Both are high-level insiders with good relationships with the business community (Weisbroad from real estate development world and Glenn from Goldman Sachs).
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And I don't disagree with that, but to threaten the future of a project is insane.
De Blasio isn't threatening the project, he's making good on what was promised. If you want to build bigger, the city wants something back in return. What this means is that for residential developments that have to go through the approvals process (ULURP), the City is almost certainly guaranteed to approve larger developments if more affordable units are included. That is the most powerful tool we have against certain NIMBYism that accompanies this process.


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City officials, however, argued that they were not necessarily looking for more units; they wanted more two- and three-bedroom apartments and fewer small one-bedroom units and studios.

Mr. Walentas countered that his plans indicated that 30 percent of the affordable apartments would be two- and three-bedroom units.

Now, when you look at this, Walentas is saying that 70% of the affordable apartments that he has planned for the development would be one-bedrooms and studios. Surely that goes against the plan of more affordable housing for families. That percentage is way too high. If we are going to do it, it must be done in a way that makes sense.
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I think that the affordable housing component should mirror the overall development, to be fair. I don't really believe that this development will be primarily, or 70% studios and one bedrooms. That seems more of a loophole that should be corrected.



Here's another example of a building that will rise and include affordable housing...


http://therealdeal.com/blog/2014/02/28/extell-plans-hudson-square-project-with-affordable-housing/

Extell plans Hudson Square project with affordable housing
68 Charlton Street will not have a "poor door," Extell says


February 28, 2014

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Extell Development has submitted plans for a 22-story residential building at 68 Charlton Street in Hudson Square that would reportedly bring the neighborhood its first affordable housing.

The proposal includes 116 total units, 91 of which would be market-rate co-ops and 25 of which will be affordable rentals. Among the reduced-rate units, the breakdown would be 22 two-bedroom apartments and three studios, ranging from a rental rate of $830 per month to $1,080 per month.

The breakdown would render more than 20 percent of the units affordable, and so Extell has said it will apply for both a 421a state tax break and an inclusionary-housing bonus, offered as part of the new Hudson Square Special district, which would provide an increase in floor area ratio in exchange for the affordable housing.
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Two Trees, City Strike Domino Deal
Monday, March 3, 2014, by Jeremiah Budin

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WILLIAMSBURG—This just in: Two Trees and the city have come to an agreement on the amount of affordable housing to be included in the redevelopment of the Domino sugar factory. According to a release from the mayor's office:

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[T]he developer will provide an additional 110,000 square feet of affordable housing as part of the project, for a total of 537,000 square feet of affordable housing. The proposal will create 700 affordable apartments covering a range of incomes, including a significant number of units sized for families. Affordable apartments will be integrated throughout the complex, ensuring a dynamic mixed-income community. Unlike prior proposals, all of those units will be permanently affordable. Work on the first building will begin in December 2014.
The plan goes before the City Planning Commission on Wednesday, and, with this revision, is now almost certain to pass.
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[T]he developer will provide an additional 110,000 square feet of affordable housing as part of the project
That's more than double what the City was asking for. Score one for De Blasio.
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A little more on De Blasio's first housing victory...


http://observer.com/2014/03/two-trees-ce...-more-affordable-housing-at-domino-site/

Two Trees Cedes to de Blasio’s Demands, Agrees to Build More Affordable Housing at Domino Site





By Kim Velsey
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Mayor Bill de Blasio has prevailed in his bid to wring more affordable housing from Two Trees’ redevelopment of the Domino Sugar site on the Williamsburg waterfront, with the developer agreeing to add 40 more units—an additional 110,000 square feet—of affordable housing to the project. Of the project’s 2,200 units, 700 will now be affordable, or roughly 31.8 percent.

The move, which was seen as an aggressive gambit on the part of the de Blasio administration, sets a favorable tone for the mayor’s ambitious goal of building or preserving 200,000 units of affordable housing. It also signals that Mr. de Blasio’s top housing chiefs—deputy mayor Alicia Glen and city planning chair Carl Weisbrod—will push for similarly big affordable housing concessions from other developers.

The victory for the administration is further notable in that the Two Trees project already included more affordable housing—660 units out of 2,300 units total—than the 440 it was required to build. Furthermore, developer Jed Walentas purchased the site with an approved plan by Rafael Viñoly that included less affordable housing units, but opted to jettison it for one designed by SHoP that included more open space and affordable housing units—offering Mr. Walentas an out, if an unpopular one, in which he could move forward with the Viñoly plan. Indeed, Mr. Walentas threatened to revert to the Viñoly plan after meeting with Mr. Weisbrod and Ms. Glen last week in advance of the scheduled City Planning vote scheduled for this Wednesday.

“We set out from Day One to get the best possible value for the public. This partnership delivers on that commitment,” said Ms. Glen in a statement about the agreement. “We are securing more of the affordable housing families in Williamsburg need, and we are doing it by working together. This agreement is a win for all sides, and it shows that we can ensure the public’s needs are met, while also being responsive to the private sector’s objectives.”

Last week, Mr. Walentas called the administration’s demands “not workable,” telling The New York Times that he’d “very much like to work this out with them, but what they’re currently asking for is not workable.”

However, in exchange for building taller towers, Two Trees has acceded to nearly all of the administration’s demands, agreeing to add 20 fewer units than the administration had asked for—40 rather than 60—but more than double the amount of square footage that had been requested—110,000 square feet rather than 50,000, for a total of 537,000 square feet of affordable housing. (By square foot, roughly 18.3 percent of the 2.9 million-square foot development, which also includes commercial, tech and incubator spaces, will now be dedicated to affordable housing.)

City officials had reportedly been far more concerned with increasing square footage than units, given the widespread shortage of affordable two- and three-bedroom units that can accommodate families, rather than studios and one-bedrooms, which many developers favor.

According to the city, the 700 affordable apartments will include “a significant number of units sized for families,” will cover a range of incomes and will be integrated throughout the complex. They will also be permanently affordable. The project also includes open space and public access to the waterfront.

Mr. Walentas, meanwhile, issued a statement touting the agreement, having apparently concluded that the $1.5 billion project still had the potential to reap significant economic reward, even with the burden of additional affordable housing. (Which, on the part of the developer, is quite a big vote of confidence in Williamsburg’s waterfront condo market.)

“We are so proud and pleased with what we’ve accomplished here. This won’t just be an ordinary development—it will be part of an integrated neighborhood that brings people of every income level together,” Mr. Walentas wrote. “We hope this can become a model for what we can all achieve together in the years ahead.”

Construction on the first building is scheduled to begin in December 2014.
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This is how you play ball. Everyone has their own perogatives, municipalities and developers, alike. New York is a city where its government doesn't just have to roll over for any old thing, so good on them for getting most of (and in probably even more depending on how you measure it) what it wanted, and the developer getting the height they wanted. It's a win-win if you ask me, good on all the parties involved. In my mind, it disproves the stance of critics of this administration before it was even elected that any kind of demand from a city kills good development. This is how you work together for everyone's good.
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It's a win-win if you ask me, good on all the parties involved. In my mind, it disproves the stance of critics of this administration before it was even elected that any kind of demand from a city kills good development. This is how you work together for everyone's good.
The irony is that on the day the deal was announced, this was the blaring headline in the Daily News...

De Blasio's demand for bigger ‘affordable’ apartments may doom Domino project


That's what the critics want to believe, and in fact, there may be some instances where a developer backs off, and builds as of right. But the fact of the matter is that residential development is where the action is in the city, and those who can build want to and will when allowed.

What's more, with all eyes in the development world on this, they see how the game is played - you give more, you get more. De Blasio has already said he will build more housing by any means necessary, including more height. NIMBYs are on notice also. With more housing comes bigger buildings.

It should pretty much be a formality from here out for this development.

But the NIMBYs couldn't care less, reading the comment section below...
http://gothamist.com/2014/03/04/de_blasio_eats_rich.php
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What did Walentas get in exchange? Did any towers get taller?
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What did Walentas get in exchange? Did any towers get taller?
Yes, the taller towers will be approved.
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How do I get in on this 880-1100 a month housing?
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Yes, the taller towers will be approved.
So this rendering from WSJ isn't accurate right? Because the towers on the right looks extremely shorter than the renderings that were floating around last year.



http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304815004579417560902966216

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In exchange, Mr. Walentas and his firm, Two Trees, are expected to receive a zoning change allowing their towers to rise up to 55 stories above the East River, about 20 stories higher than current regulations permit.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/nyregi...r-refinery.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1

So one of the tallest towers in Brooklyn will be in Williamsburg! And hopefully it will crack 600ft if not more.
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