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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 3:09 PM
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Just expropriate already! Market value!? It's a heritage building, so you're buying the decrepit building, not the land. We're not going to overpay based on land speculation.
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Old Posted Oct 28, 2021, 10:42 PM
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Owner of Somerset House furious over political indecision on Catherine Street project
City's planning committee refuses to consider a zoning application for Catherine Street property until Tony Shahrasebi produces a credible plan for Somerset House

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date: Oct 28, 2021 • 1 hour ago • 3 minute read




The owner of Somerset House is furious the planning committee held hostage another one of his downtown projects, all to send a message over the sad state of the heritage building at Somerset and Bank streets.

“What a mentality,” Tony Shahrasebi said in an interview Thursday after the planning committee refused to consider a zoning application for his property on Catherine Street.

“Are they treating me like I’m a Taliban? You can write that in the paper. Why are they treating me like this? They’re treating me like I came from Mars. What did I do wrong to these people?”

Councillors on the committee stood behind Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney and their call to defer a decision on the Catherine Street project until “there is proof this property owner can be a responsible downtown property owner” and produce a credible plan for the heritage-designated Somerset House at Somerset and Bank streets.

“(Somerset House) has been an embarrassment for the City of Ottawa for many years,” McKenney said during the committee meeting.

“We don’t have the tools we need, the leverage we need, to redevelop this property.”

The Somerset House saga dates back to 2007 when the building partially collapsed, leading to a legal fight between Shahrasebi and the city. The historic building, which dates back to 1899 and was home to the Duke of Somerset pub before the collapse, has been deteriorating and is one of Ottawa’s most high-profile eyesores.

There’s nothing the city can do to force Shahrasebi to redevelop the property using what’s left of Somerset House. The city can make sure he protects heritage features and it can enforce property standards, but that’s it.

Now that Shahrasebi needs the city’s approval for another project, councillors believe they have found their bargaining chip.

The move by the committee is extremely rare since each development application is usually considered on its own merits with virtually no consideration of other projects by the applicant. City staff were also blindsided by McKenney’s deferral motion.

However, Shahrasebi still has the upper hand. He can ask the Ontario Land Tribunal for a decision on his Catherine Street rezoning application, which received the support of city staff.

There’s nothing remarkable about the development application at 129-133 Catherine St.

Shahrasebi wants to fix up a three-storey former rooming house damaged by fire at a neighbouring building in 2019 and rent out four apartments. He considers the project temporary since his property is zoned for a tower.

Councillors didn’t seem to mind the prospect of the land tribunal making a decision on the Catherine Street application if it meant that Shahrasebi wouldn’t get what he wanted from the committee.

“This is someone who does not play by the rules, so why should we be expected to as well?” said Coun. Scott Moffatt, the co-chair of the committee.

While Coun. Shawn Menard suggested the city should expropriate Somerset House as soon as possible, Moffatt said it shouldn’t be an option because the city would have to pay market value and assume the liability of a damaged heritage property.

“This owner doesn’t deserve a cent of city money,” Moffatt said.

“At this point, I’d rather spend money tying this guy up in court than giving him money to walk away.”

Shahrasebi, through his company TKS Holdings, has floated redevelopment plans for Somerset House in previous years, but nothing has happened.

Now with a new design, Shahrasebi said he wants to demolish the dilapidated Somerset House and build a nine-storey mixed-use building that would architecturally resemble the historic landmark.

According to Shahresebi, Somerset House can’t handle the loads required for a redevelopment and it needs to come down.

“I promise by the end of next month, we’ll submit for site plan,” Shahrasebi said.

Shahrasebi wasn’t afraid to point out how much property he controls in the downtown area to show how much power he has over important real estate. He said he owns 300,000 square feet of land and he has also recently acquired the Tannis building on Catherine Street across from the old bus terminal.

But, according to Shahrasebi, he needs the revenue from his project on Catherine Street to help fund his $20-million vision for the Somerset House property.

Creating a barrier to development on the Catherine Street project will only further delay the transformation of Somerset House, Shahrasebi said.

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I think my comments from almost three years ago still stand. At the meeting today Councillor Moffatt said he felt that the owners architects time was wasted on the Somerset House file and he is now on the Catherine Street file.

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The statement about the owner being someone that can't be bargained with,can't be reasoned with. He doesn't seem to have any self awareness. I'm sure he would be an awful client and I'm sure he goes through consultants/representation pretty quickly.

Having said all of this, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to win at the OLT. The City has to treat each file separately and that was the advice given by City Planning.
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From Jon Willing's Twitter feed:

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His latest vision for a replacement to Somerset House:



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Gotta say, that’s ugly. Top part has no architectural connection to the original structure. In fact, it looks like a parking deck.
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This has to be a joke. That proposal is

I don't know how best an addition would work to be compatible with this buildings, but I feel like it could stand apart as its own and have the addition be in the back (but still not whatever they're proposing), and maybe only add a floor or 2, not 7. If the City could expropriate from this PIA property owner... if they could purchase the parking lot behind it then a midrise building (6 floors) could be built in the rear and leave Somerset house to stand out on its own.
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Old Posted Oct 29, 2021, 12:51 PM
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It's hard to tell from that render how far the tower is set back from the original structure. If its set back enough I'm not entirely opposed to the design. I would prefer if the tower was limited to the backlot of the property so as to not overshadow the wonderful roof elements of the original structure though I'm not sure that leaves enough space for tower to be viable.
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What garbage! The previous proposals included some effort in preserving the building's prominence, but this looks like a cheap 70s office block plucked on top.

This whole thing is getting ridiculous. It sounds like the City is NOT expropriating out of spite! And the owner is not fixing the building out of spite. It's a game of chicken that will end with Somerset House collapsing to the ground and possibly killing someone.

If the owner ever really wanted to do something with Somerset House, he could have sold any of his downtown properties to fund the project.

Sidebar, his Catherine property has been without cladding, and only Tyvek wrapping, for about 2 years now. That one must be deteriorating too, and probably full of mould inside and out. Too bad we can ban him from owning any property.
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LOL this has become funny.

The previous proposal, with the grey brick and the glazing to match the banding of the building was just fine, but then the Heritage folks got all crazy, leaving us with this actual joke. I'm all for heritage, but I would also love to do this to the City if they were trying to push me around.

Also why is this particular building the cross that everyone has to die on? There are many more examples of heinous architecture that we could be making an example of.

Let the guy do something, within reason, to get the animation back on the street. its not as though the neighbours are somehow architecturally significant so that the loss of a part of the back of this building is going to ruin everyone's lives.

Having said that, this one is laughably ugly, so hopefully it's not this that gets built lol. I say lets go back to the previous proposal, and the Heritage group and McKenney can hold their noses.
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This office render/ proposal cannot be taken seriously.
Due to the pandemic and increased teleworking there is next to zero demand for new commercial office space. There are 3 approved office projects in Kanata and none of them have broken ground. Downtown Morguard is sitting on two parcels and Brookfield one. I do not see this happening anytime soon.
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This office render/ proposal cannot be taken seriously.
Due to the pandemic and increased teleworking there is next to zero demand for new commercial office space. There are 3 approved office projects in Kanata and none of them have broken ground. Downtown Morguard is sitting on two parcels and Brookfield one. I do not see this happening anytime soon.
Agreed.....which three office projects in Kanata are you referring to?

The City is still expecting office/retail zoning requirements to be met on redevelopment projects on properties with mixed use zoning yet my understanding is that there is little interest from the builders.
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Old Posted Oct 30, 2021, 6:27 PM
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Agreed.....which three office projects in Kanata are you referring to?

The City is still expecting office/retail zoning requirements to be met on redevelopment projects on properties with mixed use zoning yet my understanding is that there is little interest from the builders.
Here are 3 projects on Solandt Road alone:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240869

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=240840

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“This is someone who does not play by the rules, so why should we be expected to as well?” said Coun. Scott Moffatt, the co-chair of the committee.

While Coun. Shawn Menard suggested the city should expropriate Somerset House as soon as possible, Moffatt said it shouldn’t be an option because the city would have to pay market value and assume the liability of a damaged heritage property.
I agree totally with Moffatt on the first part but I think he's missing part of the picture with the second part. The City of Vancouver recently had a similar situation with their own local Shahrasebi-esque assholes, the Sahota family. In November 2019 the city expropriated two Sahota family buildings for $1 each.

I would argue Shahrasebi is an even more egregious case than the Sahotas. We should do what Vancouver did and expropriate this building for $1.
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I agree totally with Moffatt on the first part but I think he's missing part of the picture with the second part. The City of Vancouver recently had a similar situation with their own local Shahrasebi-esque assholes, the Sahota family. In November 2019 the city expropriated two Sahota family buildings for $1 each.

I would argue Shahrasebi is an even more egregious case than the Sahotas. We should do what Vancouver did and expropriate this building for $1.
I think I listened to a podcast about the Vancouver cabal of critters.
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Mayor calls property 'the ugliest blight on our landscape, the entire city'
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Ottawa city council has approved a motion that would get the city's general manager of planning to order some long-neglected repairs to Somerset House and send the bill to the downtown heritage building's owner.

The motion was brought forward by Coun. Catherine McKenney, who represents Somerset ward, during a council meeting Wednesday. It would see city staff fix the home and the cost of that work paid by TKS Holdings Ltd., the property owner.

"As a city we have given this property owner many, many chances over the years," said McKenney. "We've engaged in meaningful dialogue to encourage him to redevelop this site, and he has never taken any meaningful action."

The heritage building partially collapsed nearly 15 years ago. Since that day in October 2007, the City of Ottawa has approved designs for redevelopment at that prominent Bank Street corner in 2013 and again in 2017, and granted a permit that eventually expired.

It had to allow an unsafe wall to come down, and has previously ordered repairs. Last year, it deferred a decision on another downtown low-rise project from the property owner.

"We really have exhausted all other tools. I've been working on this for eight years. We have very little, very few tools and this is one that I think we need to do to ensure that the work that is needed is finally undertaken," said McKenney.

Today Somerset House still stands empty, its main-floor windows boarded up, and construction fencing along one side.

"This has to be the ugliest blight on our landscape, the entire city," said Mayor Jim Watson.

McKenney said the city has already invested too much staff, money and time into the ongoing neglect of the house and it has only continued to deteriorate.

Wednesday's motion is "to ensure that we don't lose this," they said.

City staff will present an update on the status of the building to the built heritage subcommittee in June.
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Old Posted May 11, 2022, 11:36 PM
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City council tells staff to stabilize Somerset House and bill the owner
Somerset House at 352 Somerset St. W. partially collapsed in 2007, launching years of legal and regulatory sparring between the owner and city hall.

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
May 11, 2022 • 2 hours ago • 2 minute read


Ottawa city council has ordered city staff to stabilize the historic Somerset House in Centretown and bill the property owner for any work necessary to save the building.

Unanimous endorsement of a motion tabled by Somerset Coun. Catherine McKenney on Wednesday means staff will update the built-heritage subcommittee on the state of the red-brick building at Somerset and Bank Streets.

The motion also directed the general manager of planning to work with the chief building official and bylaw chief to “stabilize and secure the retention and conservation of the Somerset House structure,” with costs of any work forwarded to the owner.

Somerset House at 352 Somerset St. W. partially collapsed in 2007, launching years of legal and regulatory sparring between the owner and city hall.

The building, which dates back to 1899 and is the former home of the Duke of Somerset pub, is at a high-profile intersection and has become an eyesore over the past 15 years, especially its chewed-up east-facing side.

The city can’t force a property owner to redevelop a building but it can enforce property standards and heritage conservation.

Once again, Mayor Jim Watson had strong words for the Somerset House property owner.

“This has to be the ugliest blight on our landscape in the entire city,” Watson said, claiming that the property owner “has to be among the top one terrible building owners in all of Ottawa.”

Watson said he hopes the property owner “comes back to city hall and acts as a responsible citizen, and fix his damn building once and for all.”

There has been a years-long war of words between Watson and the property owner, Tony Shahrasebi, with the mayor pushing Shahrasebi to redevelop the property and Shahrasebi defending the work he’s been doing to repair the building.

On Wednesday, Shahrasebi said his workers have repaired mortar and replaced bricks on all three floors. A meeting with Shahrasebi’s engineers was scheduled for Thursday morning to discuss underpinning the building along Somerset Street, he said.

Shahrasebi, whose architect for the Somerset House project is Richard Chmiel, provided a copy of a cultural impact assessment done by Commonwealth Historic Resource Management dated April 3, 2022.

The document includes three options for restoring the building and the heritage elements. The main differences between the options — mostly, a choice between using glass versus more red brick — are concentrated on the Somerset Street side of the three-storey building.

Shahrasebi said he’s pursuing the design option that has more glass.

According to the document, the Somerset and Bank street facades of the building are repairable.

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Took the City 15 years to finally decide to make basic repairs to stabilize the building. And they believe that dead-beat will pay? What happens if he doesn't, more finger wagging and denying unrelated applications, which is just asking for a lawsuit?
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I don't understand how this building can remain at one of the busiest corners in the city. That stretch east on Somerset is so nice with all the heritage house bars and restaurants and this piece of crap just ruins any continuity onto Bank St. Any idea on the age/health of that idiot who owns this? We might have to wait for him to die for anything to happen
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New mayor and council…. Any chance this building gets fixed/torn down ?
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New mayor and council…. Any chance this building gets fixed/torn down ?
The problem isnt the mayor or the council! its the owner
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