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Old Posted Aug 29, 2013, 6:48 PM
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It's the perfect spot for a concert hall! With the incredible success of the Chamberfest in the last few years and a burgeoning arts scene you'd think this could be a viable proposition!
Agree that it's good spot for a concert hall, but I also wonder if we shouldn't be thinking of a consolidated arts facility. So many of our festival events now are multi-media. Book festivals have concerts and readings. Art galleries have lectures and round tables. It makes sense to me to have a concert facility co-located with a library and/or art gallery. Unfortunately, this sort of ambition would only serve to complicate and delay the processes for all 3.
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Not a fan of the Apple building at all. I have a feeling that 5 or 10 years down the line it would be some empty shell with no tenants due to exhorbitant heating bills. At least demolishing it would be easy. Too much of one thing is bad, and this thing is just that.
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I'm talking about putting a concert hall in the existing building. Half the building is under the office tower, you can't just tear down the original. Concert halls don't require windows, so the shell is perfect. The size is perfect. As for the style of the building, it could be dressed up in a REALLY neat kind of way with come creative lighting and paint.



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I absolutely adore the existing public library as an excellent example of Brutalist architecture, but I despise it as a library.
Well-put. I feel exactly the same way (and there isn't alot of Brutalist architecture that I do like).
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In 2032, the land on which the library stands reverts back to us but, does the Sir Richard Scott building also revert to us?
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In 2032, the land on which the library stands reverts back to us but, does the Sir Richard Scott building also revert to us?
Unless they can move it!
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Not a fan of the Apple building at all. I have a feeling that 5 or 10 years down the line it would be some empty shell with no tenants due to exhorbitant heating bills. At least demolishing it would be easy. Too much of one thing is bad, and this thing is just that.
It's not actually a store, its an entrance to a subterranean store.
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Agree that it's good spot for a concert hall, but I also wonder if we shouldn't be thinking of a consolidated arts facility. So many of our festival events now are multi-media. Book festivals have concerts and readings. Art galleries have lectures and round tables. It makes sense to me to have a concert facility co-located with a library and/or art gallery. Unfortunately, this sort of ambition would only serve to complicate and delay the processes for all 3.
If only there was a proposal for some kind of court, for the arts. It could have an expanded gallery, offices for arts organizations and a black box theatre. Maybe get uOttawa and a private developer involved. We could call it the Arts Court Expansion...http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...3&postcount=43
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That Apple store is overkill, but awesome. Between Arts Court, Lansdowne and the Confederation Line, and I'm feeling the King Edward tunnel might come up during the municipal campaign, I think its best to put the library and concert hall on hold. Those two aren't a long standing problem that must be fixed today, there just nice to have.

Besides, the lease on the library land is a huge obstacle that will be fixed in 2032 (maybe we can plan the new library's completion for 2032) and the concert hall; we already have one, it's called the National Arts Centre.

That said, it would be interesting to planned these two projects as part of one large complex (as suggested earlier) and I would recommend building it on the western end of the CBD, sort of like a anchor attractions (with the Market/Rideau and NAC as the eastern anchor) or on LeBreton Flats on top of the ORT station. Call it the Pimisi complex.
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It's not actually a store, its an entrance to a subterranean store.
Did the city let them dig it up or did it exist previously as some kind of utility? I imagine the cost must be high for Apple if they only have one storey generating revenue.
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Did the city let them dig it up or did it exist previously as some kind of utility? I imagine the cost must be high for Apple if they only have one storey generating revenue.
I've been there many times, it's quite large and JAMMED with people at all hours of the day. It grosses millions a week and it's actually a tourist attraction, cost is no object for this store!
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Did the city let them dig it up or did it exist previously as some kind of utility? I imagine the cost must be high for Apple if they only have one storey generating revenue.
I did a little research and it seems that they just took over an underground concourse of the GM building, couldn't find out what it was before, but the entrance is on a plaza, which is pretty clearly private land. http://appleinsider.com/article/?id=1347
http://appleinsider.com/article/?id=853

$3 million per year in rent for 21,000 square feet of floor space, or $142/foot for UNDERGROUND retail, so I guess it does OK.
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If only there was a proposal for some kind of court, for the arts. It could have an expanded gallery, offices for arts organizations and a black box theatre. Maybe get uOttawa and a private developer involved. We could call it the Arts Court Expansion...http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/show...3&postcount=43
Er... yes of course, so the obvious question... should the concert hall and public library be there too?
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I'm talking about putting a concert hall in the existing building. Half the building is under the office tower, you can't just tear down the original. Concert halls don't require windows, so the shell is perfect. The size is perfect. As for the style of the building, it could be dressed up in a REALLY neat kind of way with come creative lighting and paint.



I don't disagree that the current architecture could be reimagined with some post modern colour and lighting effects, but you've chosen a telling example for your comparison. The National Theatre has two things the current Ottawa library does not have.
A. a location along the Thames with views of Westminster, St Paul's and three historic bridges
B. a position alongside other cultural and entertainment magnets. From there you are steps to the London Eye, the Dali Exhibit, the Tate Modern Gallery, the Royal Festival Hall and Shakespeare's Globe Theatre.
That's a far cry from Metcalf and Laurier.
It's another argument for clustering cultural institutions.
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I was just reminiscing about Chretien's Metcalfe Street legacy...I had actually forgotten about this for years!! He wanted to mow down 17 blocks of Metcalfe Street and make a grand avenue 90 metres wide leading up to parliament.

http://www.economist.com/node/142217
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Funny how the article above mentions "Forget the boulevard and develop Chaudieres Falls"... Here we are 15 years later and still nothing done.

(but hopefully a great proposal in the works)
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I absolutely adore the existing public library as an excellent example of Brutalist architecture ... I'm thinking it could be an excellent concert hall
I would die a little inside if our two premier performing arts locations downtown were the NAC and that fugly building.

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Not a fan of the Apple building at all. I have a feeling that 5 or 10 years down the line it would be some empty shell with no tenants due to exhorbitant heating bills. At least demolishing it would be easy. Too much of one thing is bad, and this thing is just that.
I get what you're saying, but it works for me. But that's because I assume it's surrounded by typical NY buildings. If it was across the street from another building with an airy glass frame then it would start to look cheap and plastic.

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I've been there many times, it's quite large and JAMMED with people at all hours of the day. It grosses millions a week and it's actually a tourist attraction, cost is no object for this store!
Apple has shown that an emphasis on style, when taken to extremes, has a function all its own.
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Citizen article on possibility of a new library.

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When members of the Ottawa Public Library board meet Monday, chairwoman Jan Harder will ask them to take a major step in dealing with the dismal central library: the Barrhaven councillor will argue that the board start looking for a private partner with which to build a brand new library.

A long-awaited report from Ajon Moriyama Architect outlining the costs of updating the much-maligned library at Laurier and Metcalfe has finally been released — and the fixes aren’t cheap. To cut to the chase, getting the place even close to what’s needed for a modern library — one that’s more user-friendly, has more public programming spaces, up-to-date technology and better children’s area — will cost a minimum of $70 million.

At that price tag, we must consider building new. And Jan Harder is just the woman to get it done.

“If the Walter Baker Centre here in Barrhaven was a completely challenged building, if it wasn’t accessible, if it had escalators going only one way and had no sprinklers, do you think we’d sit by and do nothing about it?” said Harder. “I don’t think so.”

Her plan? Go out to the private sector to see what interest there is in partnering with the city to build a great new facility.

“We need to know what all our options are,” said the councillor. “Is there a more cost-effective solution with a private partner somewhere in the city? People are already planning to build things in the urban core near transit. I think this will open the door to opportunity.”

The status quo for the library is not an option. The 40-year old eyesore has undergone only minor renovations over its lifespan, so there are structural elements that need to be addressed — such as the heating and electrical systems — to say nothing of the massive functional shortcomings of the building, including lack of study areas, public reading rooms or community spaces. You can’t get smart-phone reception or wi-fi in many parts of the dispiriting concrete structure. The most basic coffee shop addresses the needs of a modern, urban society better than our main public library branch.

No one knows this more than the 16,000 people who walk through the doors of that library every week. Even though it’s a dump, it’s still the most used branch in the city. Imagine how popular it would be if it were actually inviting.

The people of Ottawa can imagine it. They’ve responded to the city’s research (including professional polling) and residents have said they’re willing to give up some space for physical collections for more public programming and personal study areas, places where people can gather as well as work independently. That’s why the Ottawa public library now believes it needs just 130,000 square-feet of space instead of the 345,000 feet it was asking for in the failed 2008 attempt at building a new main branch. (The current library has just 81,000 square feet of usable space.)

“We’ve never had so much information to base a decision on,” said Harder, saying the library has been systematic in finding out what the city’s needs are, and the condition of the existing building.

The Toronto-based architectural firm was asked to cost out three options. Option 1, or “renewal”, is basically fixing the HVAC system and throwing a coat of paint on the place. It would do little to address the improvements that the people of Ottawa say they want at the main branch. Still, it would cost $40 million.

Option 2 calls for a little more renovation, with 6,170 square-feet of additional space and some improvements to the building’s brutalist facade. But even at $50 million, this plan wouldn’t meet the library’s requirements for teenage common area and reading spaces, newcomer services or meeting rooms and public spaces. These are the very characteristics that people said they want in a modern library.

So it’s the $70-million Option 3 that comes the closest, which effectively calls for stripping the place down to its shell and rebuilding. Two new glass facades would bring welcome natural light into the building. “Architecturally, it has the potential of becoming a world class destination benefiting from its prominent location,” according to Ajon Moriyama Architect’s June 25 report.

“In my mind, there’s no other option other than Option 3,” said Harder. “The other options don’t even meet our needs today, let alone for a the library of the future.”

But Harder, a long-time advocate for public libraries, believes the $70-million price tag is a non-starter.

“I’m just not sure that’s the wisest expenditure of taxpayer dollars in this location,” said Harder. She points out that in 20 years, the ownership of the entire property at Laurier and Metcalfe will revert back to the city, at which time the city could sell the land or redevelop it in another way.

Harder is right. At $70 million — and likely more, as this is a basic estimate that can be off by as much as 30 per cent — this city must start a serious discussion about the possibility of building a new library.

Consider the new central library in Halifax scheduled to open later this year (and already named by CNN as one of 2014′s most “eye-popping”new buildings): the cost for the new building is about $58 million. Although at 108,000 square-feet, the East Coast library is slightly smaller than the 130,000 we’re looking for here in Ottawa, the build-from-scratch project is also costing significantly less than the estimate to rebuild ours.

There are those who will balk at the idea of a possible private partnership to build a new library. That’s a discussion worth having. But it’s more important that we do something about the eyesore that is the downtown central library. And Monday is the day to re-start that debate.



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Another "world-class" peppered in this article.. Doesn't anyone know what world class truly means anymore??
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Another "world-class" peppered in this article.. Doesn't anyone know what world class truly means anymore??
Personally, I don't mind "world class". It says ambition and I celebrate any trace of ambition in Ottawa.
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