Highway One Improvements: North Vancouver / Ironworkers Memorial Approach | Completed

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Bribery is being used as a derogatory term. Please stop.

Respect.

Truth. It's quite understandable for First Nations to be obdurate in the face of requests from the colonial culture. After lifetimes of being forced to bend over backwards (to put it very, very lightly), no one else really has the right to criticize the meeting of their terms.

Hating on Tsawassen Mills or what is going to happen to the UBC golf course? I'm sorry but after all the screwed up things that have happened in this country, no one has the right to judge. Focus your criticism elsewhere.

[Infrequent Poster]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Truth. It's quite understandable for First Nations to be obdurate in the face of requests from the colonial culture. After lifetimes of being forced to bend over backwards (to put it very, very lightly), no one else really has the right to criticize the meeting of their terms.

Hating on Tsawassen Mills or what is going to happen to the UBC golf course? I'm sorry but after all the screwed up things that have happened in this country, no one has the right to judge. Focus your criticism elsewhere.

Kind of sounds like you are telling people (in sort of a wishy washy pc way) they are not allowed to have the opinions they have. Everyone has the right to judge and everyone does like it or not.

[SFUVancouver]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Hating on Tsawassen Mills [...] I'm sorry but after all the screwed up things that have happened in this country, no one has the right to judge. Focus your criticism elsewhere.

I refuse.

There are a tremendous number of planning, transportation, and environmental issues associated with this project, and First Nations land ownership and joint-venture development of the project does not make it immune from criticism.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Bribery is being used as a derogatory term. Please stop.

Respect.

Don't tell me the intent of my words. I think it's terrible that both bridges were built through the reserves. So tired of people looking for something to be offended by.

[osirisboy]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

Hating on Tsawassen Mills or what is going to happen to the UBC golf course? I'm sorry but after all the screwed up things that have happened in this country, no one has the right to judge. Focus your criticism elsewhere.

Wow! Absolutely not. We can't criticize those projects because it's on Indian land??? That will never happen! We criticize every project! to then treat their projects differently would be discriminatory. I'm not going to treat them differently

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by Infrequent Poster

Kind of sounds like you are telling people (in sort of a wishy washy pc way) they are not allowed to have the opinions they have. Everyone has the right to judge and everyone does like it or not.

Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

I refuse.

There are a tremendous number of planning, transportation, and environmental issues associated with this project, and First Nations land ownership and joint-venture development of the project does not make it immune from criticism.

Originally Posted by Pinion

Don't tell me the intent of my words. I think it's terrible that both bridges were built through the reserves. So tired of people looking for something to be offended by.

Originally Posted by osirisboy

Wow! Absolutely not. We can't criticize those projects because it's on Indian land??? That will never happen! We criticize every project! to then treat their projects differently would be discriminatory. I'm not going to treat them differently

I agree with the above responses. The "Politically Correct" movement has appointed itself as sort of a "thought police," in which
people are only allowed to express their their opinions within a cadre of "accepted" thinking.
This goes totally against freedom of expression, and should IMO be called out whenever it occurs. This is not North Korea, nor the old Soviet Union.

[red-paladin]

Originally Posted by SOSS

Bribery is being used as a derogatory term. Please stop.

Respect.

Alleging bribery implies corruption on both sides.
I think he didn't mean criminal bribery, but the kind of carrot and stick politics where one party waits for the best deal, and other party slowly adds more incentives until they can't wait any longer.

[SOSS]

Originally Posted by red-paladin

Alleging bribery implies corruption on both sides.
I think he didn't mean criminal bribery, but the kind of carrot and stick politics where one party waits for the best deal, and other party slowly adds more incentives until they can't wait any longer.

That's negotiation. Those who have what the other want; we see it everywhere. Government vs teachers, employers vs unions/employees, home owners vs home buyers etc.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by SOSS

That's negotiation. Those who have what the other want; we see it everywhere. Government vs teachers, employers vs unions/employees, home owners vs home buyers etc.

Originally Posted by Pinion

That part is through a native reserve so they're probably unable to widen it to modern standards without years of negotiation/bribery.

Bottom line, you played the race card for no reason and derailed this thread.

[Pinion]

Somewhat on topic, I had to go into work around 5pm today and was 30 minutes late due to highway 1 traffic. My commute is usually eight minutes long and doesn't even involve the highway, but I had no way to get past the long, unmoving lines on the feeder streets.

I thought I had solved my traffic problem by taking this job near home, but it's unavoidable.

[Large Cat]

Originally Posted by Pinion

Somewhat on topic, I had to go into work around 5pm today and was 30 minutes late due to highway 1 traffic. My commute is usually eight minutes long and doesn't even involve the highway, but I had no way to get past the long, unmoving lines on the feeder streets.

I thought I had solved my traffic problem by taking this job near home, but it's unavoidable.

If able bodied, teh bike is ur friend :0

Still I am sad the traffic is this bad. It hurts transit riders too. Everyone is hurting.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by Large Cat

If able bodied, teh bike is ur friend :0

Still I am sad the traffic is this bad. It hurts transit riders too. Everyone is hurting.

Not really fit enough at the moment, though finally back at the gym. My bike being stolen out of my condo this summer and my work removing the safe lock up room makes it implausible though, even if I pretend the weather and homicidal drivers are not a concern.

[SOSS]

The new Keith bridge is coming along nicely. Looks like they've shored up the base, installed vertical support beams on either side of the river and are soon to install retaining walls for the south two lanes. I assume very late this year or early next year the first two lanes will open so they can decommission the old bridge and build the next two lanes.

As for the Phillip Ave overpass: base is nearly set, foam blocks have been brought in and are staged, and the arch is currently being assembled nearby.

[Cypherus]

Originally Posted by Pinion

Bottom line, you played the race card for no reason and derailed this thread.

Actually, you played the race card through inference. You tacked on the term "bribery" which the vernacular is used to discredit first nations people as people willing to accept a buyout than one who negotiates with mutual interests in mind for both parties. I don't think anyone would care, so long as you stand behind your freedom of expression than attempt to hide it. Anyway, back on topic, the traffic is not going to improve for at least a couple years. I have driven through that section during unassuming hours of the weekdays and ran into problems. It really comes down to volume and the current infrastructure inadequate.

[Pinion]

Again, don't tell me the intent of my own words. I think all people in power are inherently corrupt, had nothing to do with race.

[Infrequent Poster]

Originally Posted by Cypherus

Actually, you played the race card through inference. You tacked on the term "bribery" which the vernacular is used to discredit first nations people as people willing to accept a buyout than one who negotiates with mutual interests in mind for both parties. I don't think anyone would care, so long as you stand behind your freedom of expression than attempt to hide it. Anyway, back on topic, the traffic is not going to improve for at least a couple years. I have driven through that section during unassuming hours of the weekdays and ran into problems. It really comes down to volume and the current infrastructure inadequate.

Just a heads up someone just used the word "bribe" in the office market discussion thread. You should probably head over there and accuse them of racism.

Sorry for the off topic.

[Pinion]

Trudeau/Wilkinson/Beech winning is good news for this stretch due to the aforementioned promise to replace/widen the Lynn Creek Hwy 1 bridge asap.

Last week Justin Trudeau made specific mention of the need for a comprehensive approach to addressing the congestion issue on Highway #1 in North Vancouver. In listing off some examples of the kind of local transportation infrastructure needs a Liberal government would address if elected October 19th, he cited the 55 year old Lynn Creek Bridge

https://jonathanwilkinson.liberal.ca...s-do-it-right/

Conservatives weren't going to do it until 2025.

Also signs are up for the interchange work


@jthornwaite

[Klazu]

I hope someone at Liberals is keeping track of all the promises given. Or then municipalities have to be reminding them.

[Pinion]

Originally Posted by Klazu

I hope someone at Liberals is keeping track of all the promises given. Or then municipalities have to be reminding them.

I'm hoping the social media age will pressure them to be more accountable than politicians used to be. Everything they said is now preserved and easily retrievable forever, and people can organize to put the squeeze on them if they flake out.

[wrenegade]

Forgot that I took a couple photos one evening a little over a week ago (October 8th) while on my bike in the area. Sorry for the quality, low light + iPhone isn't the greatest.


Keith Rd Lynn Creek Bridge 2 by Alex Wren, on Flickr


Keith Rd Lynn Creek Bridge 1 by Alex Wren, on Flickr