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Old Posted Oct 18, 2006, 2:40 AM
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Do you know if there will be ground level retail opportunities on any of the buildings? (refering to The Shore and Hotel Van Zandt)
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In other news from the business journal. Some jackass thinks they can get 160K for 600 sq feet condos at Congress and William Cannon.

Oh well. Good luck with that guys. Those prices will just about get you into a downtown condo the same size. But, you'll be downtown, not in a kinda shady part of town thats a 20 minute drive to the entertainment district.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 18, 2006, 4:31 AM
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^ Yeah, that area along Congress Avenue between William Cannon and Slaughter Lane is uh, a bit rural. I suspect part of the reason though, is that that area is mostly in flood plain. Take Congress Avenue south from William Cannnon, you'll see what I mean. It's actually some of the lowest lying areas of South Austin.

I'm not sure about that atx001, I'll have to ask tomorrow.
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There was a small blimp tethered near the Spring site monday during rush hour.
     
     
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Block 21 to be 432' and 35 floors?
Block 21 is also known as the W hotel/ ACL right? I thought the W was in the 25 story range. This would be quite a presence at that height.
     
     
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the model at the shore sales office is quite large and very detailed! You'll enjoy it!
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 12:06 AM
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Block 21 to be 432' and 35 floors?
Block 21 is also known as the W hotel/ ACL right? I thought the W was in the 25 story range. This would be quite a presence at that height.

Yep, that's the same development which will include the new ACL studio, Austin Children’s Museum, office & retail space, the W Hotel & the W Residences. The original plan for this site was a 15-story structure. The last published height for this project was 32 stories. Since then, Stratus/Starwood has added 20 hotel rooms and 30 condos. Maybe that constitutes the addition of three levels?!?
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 12:23 AM
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In other news from the business journal. Some jackass thinks they can get 160K for 600 sq feet condos at Congress and William Cannon.

Oh well. Good luck with that guys. Those prices will just about get you into a downtown condo the same size. But, you'll be downtown, not in a kinda shady part of town thats a 20 minute drive to the entertainment district.
I'm not at all surprised at those prices. The condo mania in this country has had developers foaming at the mouth and investors throwing money into projects as if the sky was the limit on earning potentials when flipping. No one cared what they were paying per sq. foot, and it didn't matter where it was because there was always a greater fool in line to sell to at huge profits.

Developers have had 5 years of building anything, asking anything, and getting that and more for their properties. But those times are souring all over the country, so it will be interesting to see how many fools are left to buy into this irrational exuberance.
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Old Posted Oct 19, 2006, 2:25 PM
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I'm not at all surprised at those prices. The condo mania in this country has had developers foaming at the mouth and investors throwing money into projects as if the sky was the limit on earning potentials when flipping. No one cared what they were paying per sq. foot, and it didn't matter where it was because there was always a greater fool in line to sell to at huge profits.

Developers have had 5 years of building anything, asking anything, and getting that and more for their properties. But those times are souring all over the country, so it will be interesting to see how many fools are left to buy into this irrational exuberance.
Wonder how long Austin's real estate boom will last, any guesses?
     
     
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Austin RE Boom?

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Wonder how long Austin's real estate boom will last, any guesses?
Proposals, approvals, site work, etc. does not create a "Boom." Finished and "sold out" (or rented) projects might constitute a "boom." So far, the jury is still out. There is NO evidence that anyone is willing to pay $350-400 PSF for downtown condos in Austin. (Milago sold at $250-275 PSF and found enough buyers). Several projects will require even higher prices - "W" and the Stacy/Pelli building at $500-600 PSF, although both are expected to be high-quality, luxury products.

We only have one completed building to confirm enough interest to create or sustain any kind of boom. Spring, Novare-360, Aquaterra, The Shore and others still "hope" to sell their units.

I heard yesterday that Novare-360 is now considering becoming a "rental" building, instead of selling condos. Apparently they haven't had a strong response since releasing their floorplans (student housing type bathrooms) and pricing ($350-400 PSF). While they reported 1,400 people had registered online, less than 200 people showed up for their "reservation party" at La Zona Rosa. It's hard to tell how many were actually "potential buyers." Two friends went just because they were curious and involved in the Spring project. They also like free drinks.

I guess nobody really knows how many people in Austin are willing to spend $300,000 to $400,000 for a decent one-bedroom high-rise condo. I think it will become very clear by the end of the year.

In the end - it's the BUYERS that will decide whether or not Austin is in the midst of, or will eventually have a real "boom."
     
     
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There's a new 32-story condominium tower planned for West 7th Street & Rio Grande Street between Rio Grande and Nueces Street. The building will sit directy north of Katz's.

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32-story condo may spring up downtown
From the Austin American-Statesman
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/10/20//20downtown.html

DOWNTOWN AUSTIN
Condo high-rise could be Katz's Deli neighbor
CLB Partners plans 32-story project downtown at West Seventh and Rio Grande.

By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF


Thursday, October 19, 2006

CLB Partners plans to build a 32-story condominium high-rise at West Seventh and Rio Grande streets, extending the downtown residential development boom.

Pending approvals from the city, the project could get underway next spring, with its 160 units ready for residents in late 2008, said Bobby Nail, a partner in CLB's Austin office.

The building will be designed by the Austin-based architectural firm of Rhode:Hurt. The firm also is designing CLB's six-story Bridges on the Park project, under construction at Lamar Boulevard and Riverside Drive. Brett Rhode, one of Rhode:Hurt's founding principals, also was involved in the design of CLB's Austin City Lofts on West Fifth Street.

The new project would be built at the southeast corner of West Seventh and Rio Grande, behind Katz's Deli. A one-story building with several short-term office tenants would be razed to make way for the high-rise. The project would be built around the Ranch 616 restaurant.

"I always build around my favorite restaurants," Nail said.

Bridges on the Park wraps around the former Paggi House, which is being renovated and will reopen early next year as a new high-end restaurant and wine bar.

Prices are expected to start in the low $300,000s, with the largest units topping $4 million.

Nail said the parking garage will be built in the part of the site where height is limited to protect views of the state Capitol.

From the Austin Business Journal
http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2006/10/16/daily29.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Austin Business Journal - 2:40 PM CDT Thursday
by A.J. Mistretta
Staff writer

In the latest move to transform the downtown skyline, a Dallas-based development company plans to build a 32-story condominium tower at the intersection of 7th Street and Rio Grande Avenue.

CLB Partners Ltd. and local landowner Mike McGinnis expect to break ground in spring 2007 on the unnamed project that would include 160 units and about 7,400 square feet of new retail space on the ground floor. The project is expected to cost more than $50 million.

Two floors of underground parking will be devoted to retail customers and five levels of above-ground parking for residents. A rooftop terrace, pool and spa will top the project.

The luxury units will range in size from 900 square feet on the lower levels up to 5,000 square feet at the top; the developer has not yet determined pricing.

Austin-based architecture firm Rhode:Hurt is designing the project and Austin-based Bury & Partners is handling the engineering.

The property extends from the corner of Nueces and 7th Street to Rio Grande and 7th Street, and includes the space occupied by restaurant and live music venue Ranch 616.

CLB Partners is working to preserve that business, granting the owners a 33-year lease and accommodating Ranch 616 with parking spaces in the tower.

"We think this is a very important part of our project," says Bobby Nail, partner in the Austin office of CLB Partners. "The Ranch is a project amenity as well as an Austin icon."

CLB Partners is the group behind the 82-unit Austin City Lofts, which was completed in 2003, and the 104-unit Bridges on the Park now under construction on South Lamar Boulevard. Nail says the Bridges project is already 40 percent pre-sold.

Nail says CLB Partners' past experience, coupled with Austin's forecasted job growth and lack of existing for sale housing in downtown, is leading the company to push forward quickly with the project. He says if construction starts as planned in spring of next year, the project could be ready for move-in by fourth quarter 2008.

The project has received the support of neighborhood groups such as the Old West Austin Neighborhood Association and the West End Austin Alliance. In his own letter in support of the project, Ranch 616 owner Kevin Williamson says he could not be more pleased about the plans.

"This business is my life," he writes. "This project does no less than save my business" by reducing the costs associated with parking.

A representative of the developers presented the project to the Downtown Austin Commission on Wednesday. CLB Partners is seeking a zoning change which would allow for greater density than is currently allowed. The commission unanimously approved the request. Next week, the project goes before the Austin Design Commission and the city's Planning Commission. It's set for a hearing before the City Council on Nov. 30.
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This is starting to amaze me. I mean really amaze me.
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the fact that the old west austin neighborhood assoc. supports it on the outset is nothing short of amazing. love to see the snowball effect...
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Here's a larger/closer rendering of it.
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This is starting to amaze me. I mean really amaze me.
It's amazing me, too, but not necessarily in a good way. I'm all for transforming Austin's skyline, but come on! Red flags are flying in my mind here. Personally, I don't believe downtown Austin can sustain this much high income housing.
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After seeing all the renderings for all the buildings under construction and those proposed I've come to the conclusion that Austin really needs a building with a pronounced spire. (cough, cough, hint, hint at novare who just happens to own a block in downtown with no height limit, and just happens to be located in the center of our CBD hint, hint, cough, cough). I'm sure Novare will come up with something cool.
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It's amazing me, too, but not necessarily in a good way. I'm all for transforming Austin's skyline, but come on! Red flags are flying in my mind here. Personally, I don't believe downtown Austin can sustain this much high income housing.

Guys...remember, if we're "lucky," only half of the 32 proposed downtown Austin residential projects (of 5 or more stories) will get built. And, these projects have completion dates ranging from early 2007 through 2010 and beyond.

Bobby Nail, a partner in CLB's Austin office had a good quote...

"The cost and difficulty of finding sites and getting the projects financed and built acts as a check against overbuilding. Those factors, coupled with soaring construction costs, make them very difficult to pull off."

It has also been estimated that downtown Austin has ample demand to absorb 500 new condo units a year (more if you include apartments into the mix). This number could, obviously, go up or down depending to the state of the local economy.
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I am very excited right now either way whatever anybody thinks this is a great time to be in Austin. Like Ive said before I am always optimistic and so far so good, many buildings some of wich a certain someone still bashes, have started contruction. Buildings wich I wasnt even sure deep down. "Monarch, Altavista" are going to become reality. Lets give this city some props. Either way even if all the projects don't get built wich is very unlikely all will, Austin will have a very impressive skyline. Not only that but already more proposals. If one proposal dosnt go through There will be another one right behind.
     
     
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I am very excited right now either way whatever anybody thinks this is a great time to be in Austin. Like Ive said before I am always optimistic and so far so good, many buildings some of wich a certain someone still bashes, have started contruction. Buildings wich I wasnt even sure deep down. "Monarch, Altavista" are going to become reality. Lets give this city some props. Either way even if all the projects don't get built wich is very unlikely all will, Austin will have a very impressive skyline. Not only that but already more proposals. If one proposal dosnt go through There will be another one right behind.
Here! Here! Horray for optimists and enthusiasts! We have tons more fun! eh?
     
     
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Here! Here! Horray for optimists and enthusiasts! We have tons more fun! eh?
TGIF everyone and to Austin. Oh yeah, go HORNS!!!
     
     
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