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Old Posted May 29, 2024, 7:18 PM
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Explainer: Beware the bogie man — What you need to know about LRT wheels
A report about efforts to find long-term solutions to wheel-related problems is to be delivered this week to a special joint meeting of the City of Ottawa's transit commission and the LRT sub-committee.

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published May 28, 2024 • Last updated 1 hour ago • 4 minute read




It’s been nearly three years since a faulty wheel caused the derailment of a Confederation Line train just outside Tunney’s Pasture Station, but a permanent fix to the problem remains frustratingly elusive.

Greasing the track, grinding the rails, reducing speed limits on curves, even installing extra pins to better secure train wheels are among the short-term fixes being used by Rideau Transit Group to ease stresses on each train’s cartridge bearing assembly (CBA), a crucial component of the wheels.

“These mitigations, however, do not resolve the outstanding lack of consensus on root cause of the CBA failures,” says a report to be delivered this week to a special joint meeting of the City of Ottawa’s transit commission and the LRT sub-committee.

“It is imperative that RTG works with its track and vehicle teams to reach agreement on the corrective action plan that will ensure the sustainability of the railway.”

The Problem

Who can forget 2021, the Confederation Line’s summer of woe?

On Aug. 8, an eastbound O-Train derailed about 90 metres of east of Tunney’s Pasture Station. There were no passengers onboard and no injuries, but it took three days to move the crippled train back to the RTG maintenance facility for inspection. A Transportation Safety Board report determined a wheel on the train had “severed from the axle due to an undetected catastrophic roller bearing failure and subsequent axle journal burn-off.”

The LRT was out of service for more than five weeks while workers inspected every train in the fleet, finding and replacing three more faulty axles.

A few weeks later, on Sept. 19, there was another derailment, this time near Tremblay Station and with passengers aboard. A westbound train went off the rails and tore up 400 metres of track, shutting the system down for two months. That accident wasn’t caused by an axle failure, however, but was blamed on an improperly tightened bolt after an axle inspection.

And the gremlins weren’t done yet. In July 2022, an alert driver was leaving Tunney’s Pasture Station when he noticed an unusual vibration and stopped the train. The cause was later found to be another failure inside the cartridge bearing assembly.

In July 2023, service was suspended again after a routine inspection found leaking grease on one train that was traced back to a failed bearing.

Each of the Alstom Citadis Spirit trains on the Confederation Line has 20 wheels: four wheels to each of five bogies. Each bogie, in turn, has two cartridge bearing assemblies, complex units that house bearings and a splined axle for each wheel. The CBAs were designed to have a life of 1.2 million kilometres of use.

The Studies

A myriad of reports have tried to identify the problem and to find short-, medium- and long-term solutions.

Among them were a Rail Safety Advisory letter from the Transportation Safety Board, an independent inspection of the track by MxV Rail, ongoing studies by the National Research Council, an independent report by the engineering firm James Boyle and Associates as well as investigations by the city, RTG and trainmaker Alstom, the latter of which is being independently reviewed for the city by the Mott MacDonald engineering firm.

The fixes

Inspections: RTG has stepped up inspections of the bogies, first to every 7,500 kilometres of use, later reduced to every 3,750 kilometres. Additionally, leading and trailing bogies — the ones that endure the highest stresses — were replaced, first every 175,000 kilometres and eventually every 60,000 kilometres.

Speed reductions: The Confederation Line has a number of curves that place higher than expected stress on train wheels. To reduce those, the train operates with temporary speed reductions (TSRs) along several sections, notably east of the Rideau Centre and east of Hurdman Station. The TSRs remain in effect two years after they were imposed.

Restraining rail adjustments: The Confederation Line includes a third “restraining rail” along its curves that is meant as a safety feature to prevent derailments. These rails were found to be rubbing the wheels, increasing wear and tear, so in 2023 crews painstakingly shifted each one to provide more clearance.

Top rail lubricants: Greasing the tracks is more than just a cliché. RTG is installing “top of rail friction modifiers” along tracks to reduce the stress and vibration on the wheels. The above-ground units are to be installed by the end of May with work on the those in the tunnels to be completed this summer.

Nut pinning measures: Since train wheel vibrations have been blamed for loosening nuts within the wheel assemblies, maintenance crews have been installing simple pins to keep the nuts firmly in place.

Smart bugs: NRC-designed “smart bugs” use accelerometers to measure vibrations within the bearing assemblies and to warn when something goes wrong. If they work, the devices could be installed on all trains.

Rail grinding: Like all tracks, the Confederation Line rails need periodic regrinding to maintain their shape. That work will be done in October during a partial shutdown for maintenance.

The long-term solution

A complete wheel assembly redesign: There’s the rub. RTG is committed to providing a complete redesign of the cartridge bearing assembly, one that will strengthen it and “better withstand the lateral forces experienced on the Confederation Line and deliver a product that meets reliability, availability, maintainability, and safety requirements,” the city report says.

Alstom, however, disagrees. “Alstom has indicated that a Sustainable Solution can be achieved without a redesign and is not currently working on this initiative,” the report says. “The city has formally communicated the imperative for the re-design work to re-commence.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...out-lrt-wheels
Does Alistom actually say what the substantial solution is?
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Old Posted May 30, 2024, 12:32 AM
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Not an engineer but curious why you say especially for a vehicle desidnted for on street usage. In my experience Trams in mix traffic do not make sharp turns at high speed. Sometimes at end points there is a grade seperate U but otherwise turning at intersections is something done at lower speeds. The odd system that puts Trams in tunnels seems to do it for a short straight section.
Because a tram follows typical roadbeds and their curvatures, ignoring the slow 90 degree turns. The curves along the line slow down high speed operation, but are gentle r than the curves on the Transitway it replaced. A tram should have no trouble navigating them without excessive wear on the bogies.
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Old Posted May 30, 2024, 3:55 AM
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Rode the LRT on the weekend. First time in probably a couple of years. Noticed that the trains are definitely quieter going around those curves than the first time (pre-derailment) when the squealing was very noticeable. Still a loud hum but it's an improvement.

Single car trains though so not sure if that made any difference. Trains were full on Saturday with Race weekend.
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Old Posted May 30, 2024, 11:51 AM
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Because a tram follows typical roadbeds and their curvatures, ignoring the slow 90 degree turns. The curves along the line slow down high speed operation, but are gentle r than the curves on the Transitway it replaced. A tram should have no trouble navigating them without excessive wear on the bogies.
That being said, there's one thing we did do that's different than many other cities. Our Citadis trams are configured with 4 long modules. Other cities usually use alternating short and long modules, which gives the tram a better turning radius
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Old Posted May 30, 2024, 11:54 AM
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And of course the reason why we're using only the long modules is because we're trying to fit the upper range of capacity on the trains. If we had used 3 long and 2 short modules, the trains could turn better but we'd lower the crush load capacity by about 25 people
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blogTO: "...The Confederation Line — also called O-Train Line..."

https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/05/...-jankiest-lrt/
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blogTO: "...The Confederation Line — also called O-Train Line..."

https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/05/...-jankiest-lrt/
Not that anything published by blogto is worth taking seriously, but what's wrong with the line you quoted?
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Not that anything published by blogto is worth taking seriously, but what's wrong with the line you quoted?
Confederation Line is an O-Train Line, but it's not THE O-Train Line. Like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.
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Confederation Line is an O-Train Line, but it's not THE O-Train Line. Like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.
The full quoted line from the blog is:

"The Confederation Line — also called O-Train Line 1 — is a light rail line operated by OC Transpo in Ottawa."

Seems correct to me.
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Confederation Line is an O-Train Line, but it's not THE O-Train Line. Like a square is a rectangle, but a rectangle isn't a square.
I like the analogy, but the actual article states "The Confederation Line - also known as O-Train Line 1" which is 100% correct.

While we're on this trivial topic, I'll say I wish we'd just do away with the terms "LRT," "Confederation Line," "Trillium Line," "Airport Spur" etc. altogether and just use "Line 1-4". If I read one more article that starts off along the lines of "Ottawa's north-south Trillium LRT line..." I'm going to lose it.

And don't even get me started on the people who only refer to the Trillium Line as "O-Train" and Confederation Line as "LRT".
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blogTO: "...The Confederation Line — also called O-Train Line..."

https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/05/...-jankiest-lrt/
While I assume this article is to make Torontonians feel better about the Eglinton line, considering how much of a debacle it is and it's still not running, I'm not sure it won't still reign as "jankiest LRT" yet
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Didn't bother reading the quote ON the article, but yes, that is accurate. Thanks!

Confederation and Trillium has been dropped by the City, but I'm sure media will continue using it for a while. LRT drives me nuts as well, especially Line 2 which was never LRT outside the 2006 plan.
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With LRT builders still at odds, city can't do anything but wait on permanent fix
Rideau Transit Group, Alstom to meet this month to try to hammer out agreement

Elyse Skura · CBC News
Posted: Jun 01, 2024 4:00 AM EDT | Last Updated: 6 hours ago


Nearly three years after a derailment and months after the root cause of that incident was expected to be announced, the designer of Ottawa's light-rail train system says it's still not entirely clear what changes will prevent a recurrence.

The impasse between Rideau Transit Group (RTG) and its subcontractor, French trainmaker Alstom, has apparently shifted little since they failed to provide councillors with a fulsome solution in October.

And despite the frustration of all involved, it seems there's no way to force a resolution.

The issue that caused a wheel to break off a Citadis Spirit train in August 2021 is undisputedly linked to excessive lateral force. But there's no agreement on if that can be solved by changing the train, the track or both.

When asked if RTG can compel Alstom to work on redesigning components where the axle meets the wheel, RTG CEO Nicolas Truchon said "that's the elephant in the room."

"The challenge is they are the design authority on the vehicle. I cannot decide what modifications need to take place," he told members of the transit commission and light-rail subcommission on Friday.

"All the data, all the science, all the models, all the know-how and the engineering, that's all within their control."

Truchon said he hopes that there will be a consensus after a June meeting with all of the system's stakeholders, including city staff, Alstom, the authors of two independent reports and axle manufacturer Texelis.

Yet sources suggest to CBC News that this rift may prove difficult to bridge.

People familiar with the situation, who don't have permission to speak publicly, tell CBC that Alstom did not give up on designing a new wheel hub assembly; it simply paused work after the pre-design phase to wait for RTG's go-ahead.

RTG disputes that, saying Alstom stopped work in January "based on their own internal investigations."

Councillors heard little about this friction, because Alstom was not invited to join the meeting — something a source calls "unfortunate."

The city's relationship is directly with RTG, which has the authority to bring whoever it wants to city meetings. It opted not to invite Alstom, telling CBC that the trainmaker needed more time to review the results of an independent engineering report written by James Boyle and Associates.

The delay was a source of considerable frustration to councillors, who spent six hours questioning staff — first behind closed doors, and then in the public meeting with Truchon.

Coun. David Hill kicked off debate by expressing concern that the city's contractors are attempting to solve complex and serious issues through trial and error, as if building a plane that's already in the air.

"I'm sorry if it seems like we're building the plane as we're flying it. That's clearly not the way we operate," RTG's Truchon responded.

"Whenever we do a change, it comes with careful analysis, it comes with detailed technical analysis, it comes with detailed engineering and it comes with a detailed safety risk assessment."

He went on to tell Hill that outside experts have told RTG they do not recommend changing infrastructure as a solution to this issue, saying the report instead suggested focusing on the "robustness" and "dynamic elements" of the vehicle.

As for the idea of swapping out rail at the curves for something harder, RTG said there is no evidence that's a solution.

Richard Holder, the City of Ottawa's director of engineering services, backed up the assertion saying the switch has only been recommended once wear on the wheel has reached its "limit."

Councillors received confidential legal advice, given the settlement agreement reached between RTG and the city. This was not shared in the public meeting.

CBC asked Renée Amilcar, the general manager of transit services, if the city has a legal avenue to press RTG to make certain moves. She did not provide a direct answer, but said the city wants to focus on delivering the service.

Holder said the financial consequences for RTG are enough to ensure the company works as quickly as safety allows.

"There is significant commercial pressure on RTG to find a sustainable solution," said Holder, noting that every month there are speed restrictions in place is a month where the city withholds part of its payment.

Coun. Shawn Menard sees the situation somewhat differently, saying commercial interests could block Alstom and RTG from agreeing on costly redesigns when they meet later this month.

"This agreement that we signed with [RTG] is that they're going to fix these underlying issues," he said to CBC after the meeting.

"I'm concerned about our authority to be able to compel them to get these fixes, and whether they'll just stick with the losses that come with breaking that [agreement] versus making the fix, which could be expensive."

There was one thing absolutely everyone — from councillors to Amilcar to the builders — could agree on: the situation is frustrating.

But Coun. Glen Gower, who chairs the transit commission, argued that as frustrating as these disagreements are, they are "healthy" because they push people to fight for the best solution.

"I hope people aren't mixing up uncertainty with a lack of transparency, or uncertainty with trying to hide something," Gower said. "I don't think that's what's happening here."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...-fix-1.7220551
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I've totally lost faith in Alstom. They should be barred from bidding on any transit project in Ontario until they fix this thing. After they did that video on what was wrong with the train I thought it was a clear admission of the problem and a commitment to fix it.

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LOL, the O in their logo even looks like the disintegrating hub.

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I don't think they're arguing about the failure, it's the root cause of the unexpected stress. Alstom is trying to say it's the track layers fault, and they are the ones that should pay to fix things, rather than then redesigning the wheel bogie. But it's way more disruptive to us to lay down new track, then them to change the bogie.
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Province gladly pointed the figure at the City of Ottawa and former politicians, using this as a reason to block Stage 3, but maybe they should step up and talk to Alstom since they are a major customer and are supposed to have the back of Ontario municipalities.
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I particularly find it worrisome that Alstom is a bidder for HFR/HSR. Their trains have been plagued with problems in many other places and notably the Acela in the US where the project is about 3 years late and they still haven't delivered a train set that meets the quality standards of the contract. They seem to always blame it on other factors not themselves. Companies in France aren't particularly known for their management skills LOL.
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I particularly find it worrisome that Alstom is a bidder for HFR/HSR. Their trains have been plagued with problems in many other places and notably the Acela in the US where the project is about 3 years late and they still haven't delivered a train set that meets the quality standards of the contract. They seem to always blame it on other factors not themselves. Companies in France aren't particularly known for their management skills LOL.
Fortunately, we wouldn't be Guinea pigs this time since Amtrak will have already tested out the trains in service, long before they will even be constructed for Canada.
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Province gladly pointed the figure at the City of Ottawa and former politicians, using this as a reason to block Stage 3, but maybe they should step up and talk to Alstom since they are a major customer and are supposed to have the back of Ontario municipalities.
This was the entire point of RTG and RTM. That they would absorb the risk and make long term decisions during procurement the reduce maintenance costs during operations. Then our politicians, in their eagerness to simply have service on political timetables surrendered leverage by absolving them of penalties and contractual obligations.
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Two week closure of the western segment of Line 1 coming in July...

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O-Train Line 1 will close for planned maintenance
Monday, July 15 to Sunday, July 28, O-Train Line 1 will close between Tunney’s Pasture to Rideau stations:

Trains will only run between Blair and uOttawa stations.
R1 replacement bus service will run between Tunney’s Pasture and Hurdman stations.
E1 Shuttle Express bus service will run seven days a week during O-Train Line 1 service hours.
During peak periods, E1 Shuttle Express will run between Blair and Lyon stations.
We appreciate your patience as we perform necessary maintenance. Please check back for details.
https://www.octranspo.com/en/
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