Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[RC14]

Originally Posted by Prodev & Livability

Nice, just from a layman's perspective I can see that at least half of these crops aren't even growable in Utah. Do you know which of these can be grown profitably in Utah?

This is kind of the whole point. Utah is not a great place for agriculture. It never has been. That's a big part of why the pioneers came here in the first place. They figured nobody else would want to live here and they would be left alone.

Farmers are the foundation of society.

Context matters here. If we were starting society from scratch, after a zombie apocalypse for example, farms would be one of the top priorities but that's not the context in which we live.

The study of economics is based on the fact that resources are scarce and that when we use them for one thing, that limits our production capacity for other things. In this case land and water are the scarce resources we are worried about.

Part of why agriculture is so unprofitable is because Utah needs housing far more then we need more food right now. The market would rather our land and water be used for housing then agriculture. If you took all the farms in Utah and converted them to subdivisions (not saying we should do this or course) housing would be cheaper, we would use much less water and most people would notice little if any difference in our food supply.

[bob rulz]

I don't think it's necessary to stop all agriculture in Utah, but alfalfa is definitely not something we should be growing in our climate.

[RC14]

To be clear, I'm not arguing that we stop all agriculture either. Neither am I arguing for more suburban sprawl. I was using an extreme example to make a point.

Ideally, we would have much more density in the urban core, which would free up real estate for cheaper suburban homes, closer to the city and less water intensive agricultural uses (not alfalfa.)

[airhero]

The most plausible thing the government can do if we are serious about ending alfalfa production in Utah is likely to buy out alfalfa farms. It’s unfortunately an expensive solution but it doesn’t completely screw over alfalfa farmers like an outright ban on alfalfa farming or substantially increasing the price of water (which would affect all agriculture).

There could be a scenario where the government could incentivise the growth of less water thirsty crops than alfalfa and gradually allow for the conversion of the farms over time. That could be a much cheaper option, but one that may not curb water usage as much as we want as quickly as we want.

[Paniolo Man]

Too much sun and too little to do led to a lot of biking around today.

Chicago Street Townhomes:



Altitude:



44 North Apartments:



Solis at Jackson Station:



Lusso:



The Village at North Station:





Stacy and Witbeck:



Alta Stone:



Cinq:



Entry Note:



Studios Squared:



SPARK!:





1528 North Temple (Immediately West of SPARK!):



Zephyr Lofts:



20 South 600 West:



theYARD:



Fisher Mansion (Repair/Restoration):



Hopefully this can keep Delts busy over in the Development Thread.

Don't let me catch anybody quoting this post with all the images...

[i-215]

Thanks for the photos. Utah will always be home, even though I've moved away -- I really appreciate posts to keep up on what's going on the SLC.

[mstar]

Thanks Paniolo Man - you're the best!!

[Nebula3lem123]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

[IMG]Fisher Mansion (Repair/Restoration):

The first time I saw this my dad joked it was the mansion from Darkest Dungeon, they do not look similar in any way, it just was dark and looked abandoned at the time. Glad it's getting remodeled though.

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

Hopefully this can keep Delts busy over in the Development Thread.

Don't let me catch anybody quoting this post with all the images...

The temptation is real, Paniolo Man.

[Atlas]

Taken today from Olympus Hills Park, about 7.5 miles away

Salt Lake City from the Southeast by Astro-magi, on Flickr

[Rileybo]

^^^^^

That’s my favorite view of the skyline. I used to trek up that exact hill all the time. I haven’t been up there since pre-COVID.

Here’s a shot I got in 2018.

[bob rulz]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

20 South 600 West:

Do you know what they're doing here?

[Enemy4thePeople]

Heavy Twitter Vibes:

Originally Posted by Prodev & Livability

Farmers are the foundation of society. This is an extremely stupid perspective.

Opinion A: We should rethink our agricultural water usage.

Opinion B: Why do you want to eradicate the foundation of society?

[Comrade]

I would like to eradicate the foundation of society.

[RC14]

Thank you for the photos Paniolo Man!

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

Entry Note:



Studios Squared:

I noticed that the horrific, Econo Lodge behind these projects is now listed for sale on Loopnet. Hopefully that property gets redeveloped soon.
https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/715-...y-UT/30965089/

[taboubak]

Well if you look at the most recent tweet from Ryan Smith. It appears thw plan is to rebuild the Delta Center and keep NHL and NBA in downtown. He just gave a pretty strong endorsement of downtown as well.

[i-215]

I am a bit confused about his rendering. Does that mean demolishing and rebuilding the Delta Center on site?

Considering Gail just put $125M into the building, it seems like a waste. But I'm also not sure where else downtown he could put an entire stadium.

[Orlando]

Here:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/sho...ostcount=17214

[rockies]

If they built the stadium relatively compact and located it on one of the edges of the site, they could fit a new stadium and a couple of towers like Chase Center in SF. The block it sits on is similar in size to an SLC block. It is a far cry from an all-in-one entertainment and stadium district like Atlanta's the battery that we are all very familiar with atp (and presumably what smith originally wanted) but I think it would be best if it remained where it is. Even without the LDS parking lot, there seem to be a decent amount of places that could eventually be developed into entertainment uses nearby.

Maybe the convention center will eventually present some opportunity to expand vertically/integrate other uses. They could build like 2 more gateways on the roof of it lol

[ajiuO]

Originally Posted by i-215

I am a bit confused about his rendering. Does that mean demolishing and rebuilding the Delta Center on site?

Considering Gail just put $125M into the building, it seems like a waste. But I'm also not sure where else downtown he could put an entire stadium.

It was a waste. The Delta Center is one of the oldest and most outdated arenas in the NBA… It wasn’t really fixable from the get go. Even after the referb it’s a bottom ranking NBA stadium. Sometimes when you try to save money, you just end up wasting it… It might have just been a quick fix to help them sale the team though.

I’m sure they could sell off the seats to another arena like the maverick center or something.

And if I were to take my best guess.. I think what remains of the gateway mall is going bye-bye, and it will go there. The current area where the delta center is could be used for a salt palace expansion to help keep conversations here once the LDS church develops the property that the ODR currently has to use.

[ajiuO]

Macys announced they are closing 150 stores. They didn’t give a list… but I bet City Creek Center will be on that list. The last time I went in there the merchandise was very sparse, which isn’t a good sign.

If it closes, I wonder what the mall will do with that huge space.