Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[Utah_Dave]

Not development related but here is some interesting information from the Utah Geological survey website about the GSL

Why did lake Boneville form?

Earth is currently in an Ice Age. Much of the last 3 million years has had substantially colder temperatures relative to most of geologic time, with episodes of expansive continental and alpine glaciation. These cold episodes of the Ice Age are called “glacials.” Glacials are interrupted by briefer timespans within the Ice Age of more mild temperatures and retreating glaciers called “interglacials,” such as the one beginning more than 14,000 years ago that continues today. During the last glacial episode, the climate was cooler and wetter in Utah and summers were mild. The input of water into the Bonneville basin exceeded the output by evaporation beginning about 30,000 years ago. Twelve thousand years later the lake had risen to the elevation of the Bonneville shoreline, with glacial extent in the Wasatch Range reaching a maximum 3,000 years before.

Prior glacial episodes had caused other large lakes to form in the Bonneville basin—four massive freshwater lakes in the last 780,000 years—but the last glacial episode likely generated the largest lake and the only lake to overtop the basin threshold and drain to the ocean (see “Where did Lake Bonneville go?”). The larger dimensions of Lake Bonneville occurred in the last glacial episode chiefly because of the diversion of the upper Bear River some 55,000 years ago by lava flows west of Soda Springs, Idaho, that substantially increased the amount of water entering the Bonneville basin.

Where did lake Boneville go?

Around 18,000 years ago, Lake Bonneville had risen to the brim of its basin at Red Rock Pass in southeastern Idaho and began spilling out to the Pacific Ocean via the Snake and Columbia Rivers. At Red Rock Pass, the natural dam of alluvial sediments holding back the lake either was quickly downcut by being overtopped by the lake or the dam of sediments catastrophically failed, initiating the colossal Bonneville flood. The floodwater volume has been estimated at around 1,100 cubic miles (more than 1.2 quadrillion gallons), comparable to the volume of water in Lake Michigan. Within weeks to months after the breach, the lake lowered around 425 feet until a new, lower threshold was established. Over the centuries the threshold rose as landslides and gigantic blocks of bedrock at Red Rock Pass relentlessly plunged into the lake’s outlet. The lake drained to the Pacific Ocean for some 1,000 to 3,000 years and created a prominent “Provo” shoreline below the Bonneville shoreline. As the climate warmed the lake contracted and eventually reached the level of modern Great Salt Lake by 13,000 years ago.


There’s plenty of other good information and the frequently ask questions on the Utah Geological Survey website is pretty interesting as well. geology.utah.gov

[Utah_Dave]

Here’s another snippet from the website

Lake Bonneville Basics
Lake Bonneville was a massive, Ice Age lake that existed from about 30,000 to 13,000 years ago. It occupied a low, bowl-shaped depression in the eastern Great Basin. At its largest extent, it spanned about 20,000 square miles of western Utah and parts of eastern Nevada and southern Idaho.

Lake Bonneville was about 325 miles long, 135 miles wide, and had a maximum depth of over 1,000 feet. It contained many islands that are the present-day mountain ranges of western Utah. Its relatively fresh water was derived from direct precipitation, rivers, streams, and meltwater from glaciers. During the time of Lake Bonneville, the climate was somewhat wetter and colder than now.

Lake Bonneville water levels started dropping significantly around 16,000 years ago when the climate began drying and warming, increasing evaporation and decreasing precipitation, which caused a shift in the water balance. In about 2,000 years, the lake had dropped to about the level of modern Great Salt Lake.

[Prodev & Livability]

These myopic posts stating just need to "go after the farmers and their waste" neglect the vital role farming plays in our society and community. Alfalfa feeds animals, that feed humans. Farmers are under attack across the world, and their rights need protecting. The west needs more water, and there's enormous amounts available to the north, both locally to the next state north, and beyond that as well. The GSL's level has always fluctuated, and the west has always had episodic droughts. Pipelines have been proposed for years, and if indeed the GSL continued it's decline, which I have my doubts about, that is a solid option.

[RC14]

Obviously farms are important but some crops are better for certain locations then others. You wouldn't normally choose to grow alfalfa in a desert to ship it to China except for the subsidies that make it economical to do so.

[Enemy4thePeople]

Originally Posted by rockies

I feel like the neighborhood would go crazy over anything there. Although it would be nice to see some mixed-use apartments fronting 700E and townhomes fronting the other streets. Maybe even a through street down the middle for more street-fronting townhomes

Here's a quick site plan. It's RMF-35 across the street, but I'd want RMF-45 for 3 story walkups (with better than 10'-6" floor to floor) and more height for the multifamily on 700 E. You can fit 32 30' wide units, some inner streets and a small park. I want to see how many I can get at 22'-6" wide.

[ucsbgaucho]

Originally Posted by Juancrocco

I’ve seen multiple interviews from yesterday where Ryan Smith says 1. The goal is to build a hockey-specific arena and 2. That the Delta center is one of the best arenas in the country particularly because of its seating slope for basketball. I don’t see the Delta Center getting demolished or the Jazz moving from it. That’s my take.

It wouldn't make economic sense from the owner's standpoint to operate two arenas. I understand what he's saying now, and it's probably to keep everything status quo until there's an actual decision in place, but that land would be incredibly valuable to redevelop, especially if Smith is planning to also develop an entertainment district around the arena, which he'll want to send business to 82 times a year instead of just 41. That DC land could be sold or developed itself and make him the money necessary to pay for the other land and development. But SLC is not big enough and Smith is not rich enough to have 2 arenas in operation. And there's a reason why almost every city that has both NBA and NHL use the same arena for both.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by ucsbgaucho

It wouldn't make economic sense from the owner's standpoint to operate two arenas. I understand what he's saying now, and it's probably to keep everything status quo until there's an actual decision in place, but that land would be incredibly valuable to redevelop, especially if Smith is planning to also develop an entertainment district around the arena, which he'll want to send business to 82 times a year instead of just 41. That DC land could be sold or developed itself and make him the money necessary to pay for the other land and development. But SLC is not big enough and Smith is not rich enough to have 2 arenas in operation. And there's a reason why almost every city that has both NBA and NHL use the same arena for both.

I agree with your points overall but it's worth pointing out that Smith doesn't actually own the Delta Center land. He gets a killer deal on leasing it from the RDA.

It would be a similar situation at The Point (or Station Center!) except that there's a lot more land for an "entertainment district" around it. But since that is not reason enough to get state land and state money to move his operation, he needs a new team and the Olympics as excuses to build the new arena.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by ucsbgaucho

It wouldn't make economic sense from the owner's standpoint to operate two arenas. I understand what he's saying now, and it's probably to keep everything status quo until there's an actual decision in place, but that land would be incredibly valuable to redevelop, especially if Smith is planning to also develop an entertainment district around the arena, which he'll want to send business to 82 times a year instead of just 41. That DC land could be sold or developed itself and make him the money necessary to pay for the other land and development. But SLC is not big enough and Smith is not rich enough to have 2 arenas in operation. And there's a reason why almost every city that has both NBA and NHL use the same arena for both.

Here is an encouraging quote from Smith from an ESPN article yesterday:

"We do own the Delta Center, so that plays a little in our advantage, because we're going to own that either way. But we can operate in two arenas; there's definitely the ability to do that here. We're rolling. I think we've got good options there. Utah is what I would call friendly for business. I think that's what's helped us create a tech ecosystem."

[ucsbgaucho]

Originally Posted by Atlas

I agree with your points overall but it's worth pointing out that Smith doesn't actually own the Delta Center land. He gets a killer deal on leasing it from the RDA.

It would be a similar situation at The Point (or Station Center!) except that there's a lot more land for an "entertainment district" around it. But since that is not reason enough to get state land and state money to move his operation, he needs a new team and the Olympics as excuses to build the new arena.

Ahh gotcha, he owns the arena but not the land... Wonder what the lease details are regarding whether the arena is still being used and how an empty DC would affect it. I'm sure he's not going to just walk away from it completely, so maybe he can make some money selling it back to the city or allow them to demolish it for a hefty price and then sell the land for development. Either way, the DC without any professional sports teams is a waste of space on such prime land. Would make for a nice big hotel/condo tower and retail/entertainment to complement the Gateway.

[Ironweed]

Originally Posted by RC14

Obviously farms are important but some crops are better for certain locations then others. You wouldn't normally choose to grow alfalfa in a desert to ship it to China except for the subsidies that make it economical to do so.

Well said RC. I have little sympathy for Utah agriculture. They are growing a crop which is not good for the people of the state. They are taking way too much water. Period.

[delts145]

Any progress worth getting a couple of pics on the skin of Astra and Worthington?

October 20, 2023


Photo By WalkerSLC



November, 2023

Originally Posted by Atlas

Worthington officially topped out last week

Topping out lunch event.





As Posted By Atlas, Photo Courtesy of John Snelders’ for Layton Construction

Astra Tower Update - December 8, 2023

Originally Posted by Blah_Amazing

I took a few photos of Astra earlier this week and thought I'd share them.

Astra from State Street


Astra from Gallivan Center


Astra from City Creek - I love moments like this where new buildings poke out and appear in different and unexpected places.

Photos By Blah_Amazing

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[RC14]

^
I drove around and took some cellphone pics last night:

I don't remember the name of this one. It's on 800 W between North and South Temple:


Entry Note:


Worthington:



Astra:

[delts145]

Thanks for those updates RC14!

Edited/Corrected

[RC14]

^
That is actually a separate project on the block south of the photo I posted. After going back through this thread, I think the project I posted the photo of is called the "Highrise at Emeril."
You posted the details of this project on May 22nd, in post#6726 on page 337.

[Boz]

Thanks for the update, RC.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by RC14

^
That is actually a separate project on the block south of the photo I posted. After going back through this thread, I think the project I posted the photo of is called the "Highrise at Emeril."
You posted the details of this project on May 22nd, in post#6726 on page 337.

Yikes! Thanks for the heads up RC14. Now that I have a closer look at the Highrise at Emeril pics it's pretty obvious.

[RC14]

^
It shows how much is going on in that area. While I was trying to find the name of that project, I realized there are at least one or two other active projects on that same block.

Thank you Delts, for all the work you have done to keep the Salt Lake Compilations thread updated.

[airhero]

Driving around slc the last few days, Astra does appear to be a noticeable tallest from many angles. Due to elevation change I thought the roof would look more even with the buildings to the north and shorter than the cob but it definitely looks taller.

[delts145]

If anyone is driving down 21st South occasionally could you grab a couple pics of Izzy North and South, especially South? It looks like the north is completed.

IZZY North

https://livetheizzy.com/?gclid=Cj0KC...gaApr7EALw_wcB

[Atlas]

It's crazy how much attention the potential "new tallest building in the US" proposed in OKC has gotten. Skyscrapers are attention magnets.

Closer to home, the future of Sugar House's skyline is making waves on a local scale:



Worth attending if you can!