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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 1:58 AM
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Reading through the objection letters, the neighbourhood is clearly organized as they are all singing to the same tune. They want three stories maximum and no underground parking. I don't live up that way, but from reading the comments, you'd think it's traffic gridlock every day, how they talk about it.

The image below sums it up nicely. It will be full of drug addicts and criminals in no time, apparently.

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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 10:23 AM
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Based on my interactions with him recently, he definitely will be IMO.

It'll bean interesting election in the spring, I just hope we have some good, qualified candidates to go along with the ones focused on wedge issues and complaints.
I chatted with him a few weeks ago. Sure gave the impression he was going to run.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 3:34 PM
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 3:37 PM
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Reading through the objection letters, the neighbourhood is clearly organized as they are all singing to the same tune. They want three stories maximum and no underground parking. I don't live up that way, but from reading the comments, you'd think it's traffic gridlock every day, how they talk about it.

The image below sums it up nicely. It will be full of drug addicts and criminals in no time, apparently.

Clearly Millidgeville people feel they are superior to those who need affordable housing. God forbid that their “socio-economic fabric”. Be disturbed. Hopefully Common Council will call-out this supremist attitude.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Reading through the objection letters, the neighbourhood is clearly organized as they are all singing to the same tune. They want three stories maximum and no underground parking. I don't live up that way, but from reading the comments, you'd think it's traffic gridlock every day, how they talk about it.

The image below sums it up nicely. It will be full of drug addicts and criminals in no time, apparently.

Is it actually affordable housing? And what's their issue with underground parking?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 3:57 PM
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Is it actually affordable housing? And what's their issue with underground parking?
I was about to ask that same question - underground parking sounds like a premium feature for an "affordable" project.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 5:08 PM
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I was about to ask that same question - underground parking sounds like a premium feature for an "affordable" project.
The issue with the underground parking is that they have to do a lot of rock removal to create the depth beneath the buildings. There have been some similar developments nearby that have had loud noise and vibration for several months, and there is an elderly care home of some sort close by, so that wasn't ideal. I appreciate people not wanting to listen to that all day, but it is a temporary thing. Perhaps the developer can come up with a faster solution.

As for affordability, I don't recall anything about this being an affordable project. It is probably just a portion that is affordable to get the financing.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2025, 5:10 PM
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I was about to ask that same question - underground parking sounds like a premium feature for an "affordable" project.
Only thing I can think of is they fear blasting for excavation of parking
I laugh at the “mass affordable housing changing fabric of neighborhood”.
Down the street is Woodward Gardens buildings, nursing homes, low income housing construction, call centre, data centre, self storage businesses …. This development would be an improvement. Lastly, the property value will decline argument is almost never true.
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Postings on Facebook indicate a permit is sought to tear down the Golden Ball. The location doesn’t block the sun to the parks, so a good opportunity for a 20-25 story building. Can’t see anyone nearby opposing it. And what a great location for housing, walking out into a beautiful park. If it is JDI that bought it, then we are screwed and it will be a parking lot.

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Old Posted Nov 16, 2025, 10:10 AM
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Why would somebody buy this building for sole purpose of creating a surface parking lot?
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2025, 11:46 AM
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Why would somebody buy this building for sole purpose of creating a surface parking lot?
Depends who bought it. If it’s JDI probably a parking garage. Anyone else will most likely be a residential development. Just hope it’s not Percy Wilbur - last thing we want to see is another hole in the ground for years.
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$42,000,000. That is no way going to be a parking lot. The building that was just torn down on Kings Square was part of the land purchase of the Golden Ball. I'm sure it has already been noted.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2025, 2:47 PM
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$42,000,000. That is no way going to be a parking lot. The building that was just torn down on Kings Square was part of the land purchase of the Golden Ball. I'm sure it has already been noted.
It did not sell for $42m. That was a corporate transaction in Dec 2022. You’ll see the same amount and date for refinery and corner of Sydney and kings sq
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I found a really cool set of videos on YT showing a drive from the west side to the east side and vice versa in 1973. You can easily see the difference/similarities from then to now:

https://youtu.be/4pBh04ffbRY?si=3SfSmRGLy7ub-JWG

https://youtu.be/rjvYDqZYElE?si=QzYixSiDXaV2uPrs

I recommend speeding it up a tad...
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2025, 3:11 PM
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$42,000,000. That is no way going to be a parking lot. The building that was just torn down on Kings Square was part of the land purchase of the Golden Ball. I'm sure it has already been noted.
It was put up for sale in September 2025 and recently sold. The amount isn't published yet online. The $42 million was an internal sale between the Irving companies in 2022.
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I found a really cool set of videos on YT showing a drive from the west side to the east side and vice versa in 1973. You can easily see the difference/similarities from then to now:

https://youtu.be/4pBh04ffbRY?si=3SfSmRGLy7ub-JWG

https://youtu.be/rjvYDqZYElE?si=QzYixSiDXaV2uPrs

I recommend speeding it up a tad...
Interesting to see Harbour Bridge repairs have been ongoing since 1973.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2025, 2:02 PM
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Why would somebody buy this building for sole purpose of creating a surface parking lot?
If your the name on your letterhead is JDI that's exactly what you'd do.
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Old Posted Nov 18, 2025, 7:10 PM
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The first three of these ideas aren't too crazy, and I think they would be nice as long-term projects to work towards, especially as part of the North End plan.

What does he mean by tram service? The tourist ones that drive around uptown, or are we talking about an actual permanent tram service?



I knew you couldn't resist another opportunity to bring up turning Brunswick Tower into residential. I'll find a way to set you up for another west/uptown tunnel post when I get the chance.

Based on the latest deficit numbers released today, I'd rather the provincial government not pour money into subsidizing a conversion for owners who have completely mismanaged the property and bankrupted themselves into financial restructuring. Not to mention, I don't know if you've ever been in there, but it would be a nightmare to convert to make it competitive with the latest batch of new build developments uptown.

Realistically, they need to adjust their rental rates to be competitive, aggressively find new tenants, and hope that Saint John experiences long-term sustained growth to an extent where new office space is desired and the city's vacancy rates can drop to more healthy levels.
The first three ideas aren't crazy, but Barry Ogden's mayoral ambitions certainly are. I've looked at the man's facebook the past few days and he's posted random things about Ottoman Empire, coexisting with animals on our city roads, and like new age health posts. He also just spams the same posts and same stories over and over again. Or will include like 90+ photos in a single post.



not exactly the type of posts I want to see on a daily basis from someone who could be our next mayor.


Barry Ogden as mayor would be an utter disaster, but I'd love to see him remain on council where his efforts are best suited and actually serve the city well. I hope someone can sit him down and make him realize that, but I have a feeling he won't listen, and this pursuit of the mayoral race will be just be one more Marco Polo or Marigolds project for him, where he's completely got the blinders on.

Again, I really hope Barry remains on council, as I really think he has a useful voice on council at times, and brings up things the other councillors don't, I just don't think he'd be the right fit to be Mayor compared to Reardon or Darling before her. I'm not a huge fan of Mayor Reardon, but I'd certainly vote for her again if Barry Ogden was the main other option.

Many have mocked me here for my "nautical fantasies" regarding bringing back cross river and cross harbour ferries to Saint John between the West Side and Uptown, but at least my nautical fantasies would be floating and operational.

We still haven't seen the final plans for the Marco Polo project which he claims has cost $3.5+ million at this point, and still need more money for. It's still entirely unclear if kids will be allowed to play on this thing, or if people will even be allowed to "board" this ship at all, which if not, would kind of defeat the whole purposes of the project, imo.

I won't be surprised if we find out there's only going to be one little boy that's allowed to play on the Marco Polo once it's finished, a 66 year old boomer named Barry Ogden:





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As for Brunswick Square, I'd like to see some sort of study. We've wasted money on studies for Partridge Island, amalgamation, and many other things the province, feds, or city never ended up doing. Redevelopment of Brunswick Square Tower as a mixed use development could be a a very lucrative economic opportunity. It's not about rewarding the crappy REIT's that have let the building stagnate and decline for decades, it's about funding a solution that re-envisions the property as something completely different.

The government should at least fund a study to look at different redevelopment options for New Brunswick's most prominent Class A building. A redeveloped Brunswick Square could add much needed housing to Uptown Saint John, along with more desirable, in demand services, like VIP cinemas, restaurants, or one of the 30 promised "community care clinics". 🏥

Any study worth its weight will also look at the possibilities of expanding the building upwards with 10-15+ new storeys, since the building was designed to support up to 36 storeys. I'd assume developing those 10-15 storeys as residential from the start would make things a lot less complicated.



Even a 5-10+ floor increase in height could help redefine the building as something new and different, but really, there's no need to expand upwards in order to redefine the building and make it something better... it's just a nice, unique opportunity that doesn't exist with most buildings.

I can't think of another building in New Brunswick deserving of government study for redevelopment than Brunswick Square Tower. I think we should at least explore the options and the costs first, before we write it off as uneconomical, unfeasible, etc. 19 storey buildings ripe for re-development are pretty rare in this part of Canada. We don't need a Calgary style program, just a case by case approach to the few 10+ storey office buildings we have in this province.

If government assistance can help transform the building from being a near stranded asset as an office tower, to a functioning, or even flourishing, mixed use development, it would be money well spent for Saint John.

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Old Posted Nov 20, 2025, 11:37 AM
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Does anyone know how often Google maps updates their satellite images?

I was looking at up town and realized from what's either still there (Woolworths at the head of King, Loyalist Plaza) and what's not there (IOL HQ on Kings Square S) the image has to be at least 7-8 years out of date.
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