Atlantic Canadian Politics Thread - Page 85

EnvisionSaintJohn · #**1681** Posted **Jan 3, 2025, 9:18 PM**

Sounds like Susan Holt is shutting the door to being a more than two term premier of New Brunswick, while not shutting the door to federal politics. How Presidential of her.

Perhaps Susan Holt will one day be the first PM to represent NB as an MP, and first elected female PM to boot!

EnvisionSaintJohn · #**1682** Posted **Jan 8, 2025, 3:43 AM**

Trump has now posted a map in his sustained trolling of Canada.

Bishop2047 · #**1683** Posted **Jan 8, 2025, 3:31 PM**

Why not also throw Mexico in too? They he would actually have jurisdiction to do some of the cleaning up of cartels that he wants to do? Easier to build walls too!

We were so uninteresting to him in his first stint as President. Wonder why he is suddenly so infatuated with the Canada.

lirette · #**1684** Posted **Jan 8, 2025, 5:53 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bishop2047

Why not also throw Mexico in too? They he would actually have jurisdiction to do some of the cleaning up of cartels that he wants to do? Easier to build walls too!

We were so uninteresting to him in his first stint as President. Wonder why he is suddenly so infatuated with the Canada.

Because the problems he claimed he can fix on the campaign trail (price off eggs and other goods) arent things he can actually fix, and in fact will make worse with his actual policies...so easier to distract people with this crap. The problem with this type of populism is that its actually not that hard to identify a bunch of issues that society upset about, but once you are actually in power you are expected to do something about it. His only solutions are drill baby drill and tarriffs. Those aren't going to help so he needs to create more issues and enemies. This will be the same issue Polievre will run into, hes been identifying issues for years and people think hes going to save the country, but the honeymoon period will wear off pretty quick once people realize he doesnt have that many great ideas.

Freddypop · #**1685** Posted **Jan 8, 2025, 6:36 PM**

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Originally Posted by Bishop2047

Why not also throw Mexico in too? They he would actually have jurisdiction to do some of the cleaning up of cartels that he wants to do? Easier to build walls too!

We were so uninteresting to him in his first stint as President. Wonder why he is suddenly so infatuated with the Canada.

It's all about our natural resources. US needs our energy. Saw a piece on CNBC saying the US needs to double energy output in next decade due to AI centres which US deems important under national security. That's over and above oil and gas imports. They also have a shortage of water and Canada can help them there. The US West Coast is going dry because of population growth and climate change. They also need access to critical minerals which Russia and China have traditionally supplied. We have it all and they need/want it and given the incoming government will take it by force if necessary

sailor734 · #**1686** Posted **Jan 11, 2025, 1:08 PM**

Interesting that there are no serious contenders announced for the Liberal leadership race yet. Dom LeBlanc and Joly are out and Clarke, Carny and Freeland all still "evaluating" but expected to announce "soon". The clock is ticking and March 9 isn't very far off.

Maybe the prize isn't all that appealing?

drewber · #**1687** Posted **Jan 11, 2025, 2:34 PM**

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Originally Posted by sailor734

Interesting that there are no serious contenders announced for the Liberal leadership race yet. Dom LeBlanc and Joly are out and Clarke, Carny and Freeland all still "evaluating" but expected to announce "soon". The clock is ticking and March 9 isn't very far off.

Maybe the prize isn't all that appealing?

Nobody wants to be the next Kim Campbell

sailor734 · #**1688** Posted **Jan 11, 2025, 2:53 PM**

I agree that whoever enters the race has to be looking at a 4+ year rebuild with an eye on 2029. I think the Liberal brand is just too toxic right now for anybody to come in and save them this spring.

I'm of two minds about 2029. PP is an exceptionally skilled opposition leader and attack dog in the house. He has certainly mastered the 5-10 second sound bite and the repeatedly hammering home of simplistic, catchy slogans.

What his policies look like and whether or not he can effectively govern (or will he be handcuffed by ideology?) remain to be seen.

Sunnybrae · #**1689** Posted **Jan 13, 2025, 12:53 PM**

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Nobody wants to be the next Kim Campbell

Exactly! I question anyone who would want to be leader of the liberals right now. Its like taking the helm of the Titanic right after it hit the iceberg.

As for Pierre Poilievre, he has gone to the school of Trump campaigning. The
constant "the sky is falling" over and over is depressing, negative and toxic. Just what we need in a leader!

Again, Canadians are left with the choice of who do you dislike least!

lirette · #**1690** Posted **Jan 13, 2025, 3:58 PM**

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Exactly! I question anyone who would want to be leader of the liberals right now. Its like taking the helm of the Titanic right after it hit the iceberg.

As for Pierre Poilievre, he has gone to the school of Trump campaigning. The
constant "the sky is falling" over and over is depressing, negative and toxic. Just what we need in a leader!

Again, Canadians are left with the choice of who do you dislike least!

The anger Pierre's helped stoke and take advantage of will certainly get him elected by a wide margin, but there's no putting it back in the box now. The same anger will set up him with completely unrealistic expectations that will likely be his downfall in a few years.

The "liberals left us with this problem" will work for a little bit, but the middle class needs serious solutions from serious politicians and they need them quickly. Snarky remarks about the CBC help him get clicks on social media but they aren't helping with the monthly rent or food bill. Its going to be interesting to watch.

sailor734 · #**1691** Posted **Jan 13, 2025, 4:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by lirette

The anger Pierre's helped stoke and take advantage of will certainly get him elected by a wide margin, but there's no putting it back in the box now. The same anger will set up him with completely unrealistic expectations that will likely be his downfall in a few years.

The "liberals left us with this problem" will work for a little bit, but the middle class needs serious solutions from serious politicians and they need them quickly. Snarky remarks about the CBC help him get clicks on social media but they aren't helping with the monthly rent or food bill. Its going to be interesting to watch.

Exactly! Expectations will be high. I think he'll be riding a tiger.

MonctonRad · #**1692** Posted **Jan 13, 2025, 5:08 PM**

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Exactly! Expectations will be high. I think he'll be riding a tiger.

I may be a Conservative, but I think Pierre will crash quickly. The honeymoon will only last six months or so. He is not the right man for the job. I don't think he is capable of creative thinking or has the flexibility that the position demands.

I will vote for him though, but somewhat halfheartedly. The Liberals need to be punished for ignoring the fundamentals of government and veering much too far to the woke left.

sailor734 · #**1693** Posted **Jan 13, 2025, 6:33 PM**

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I may be a Conservative, but I think Pierre will crash quickly. The honeymoon will only last six months or so. He is not the right man for the job. I don't think he is capable of creative thinking or has the flexibility that the position demands.

I will vote for him though, but somewhat halfheartedly. The Liberals need to be punished for ignoring the fundamentals of government and veering much too far to the woke left.

I very much agree. I worry he will turn out to be great at getting elected and then be a flop at running the government. Complex problems rarely yield to simplistic solutions.

Would love to be proven wrong on this.

EnvisionSaintJohn · #**1694** Posted **Jan 13, 2025, 9:37 PM**

Will PP follow through in his idea to build housing on federally owned lands like ports?

I believe it was PP’s idea that JT decided to tweak and call his own. If I recall correctly, the main difference is that PP wanted to actually sell off some federally owned property deemed surplus, while JT simply wanted to offer it up for lease.

Here’s hoping he picks the idea back up and follows through with it.

sailor734 · #**1695** Posted **Jan 14, 2025, 2:08 PM**

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-to-announce-liberal-leadership-bid-1.7430262

Does anyone understand this? Freeland is so tied to Trudeau and the Liberal record over recent years I can't see her being anything else other than the Liberal version of Kim Campbell if she won. Is a few weeks as PM really worth it?

Arrdeeharharharbour · #**1696** Posted **Jan 14, 2025, 2:22 PM**

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-to-announce-liberal-leadership-bid-1.7430262

Does anyone understand this? Freeland is so tied to Trudeau and the Liberal record over recent years I can't see her being anything else other than the Liberal version of Kim Campbell if she won. Is a few weeks as PM really worth it?

Just a thought... but maybe some people still think more about what they can do for their country rather than think about only themselves.

J81 · #**1697** Posted **Jan 14, 2025, 2:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by Sunnybrae

Exactly! I question anyone who would want to be leader of the liberals right now. Its like taking the helm of the Titanic right after it hit the iceberg.

As for Pierre Poilievre, he has gone to the school of Trump campaigning. The
constant "the sky is falling" over and over is depressing, negative and toxic. Just what we need in a leader!

Again, Canadians are left with the choice of who do you dislike least!

As opposed to the constant gaslighting by our current leader? Lol please. Did the CBC tell you Pierre was Canada’s version of Trump or did you come up with that idea on your own. Im so sick of the comparisons. Its lazy. If you took the time to listen to both of them they’re not the same at all. I cant stand Trump but ill listen to Pierre even though i dont agree with everything he says. And yes some of it is cringeworthy but that can be said for both sides on both sides of the border.

sailor734 · #**1698** Posted **Jan 14, 2025, 4:27 PM**

I think the interesting thing about the coming election will be if Poilievre continues to hammer his 3-4 catchy slogans (Axe the Tax , Build the Homes etc etc) or if there will be any attention given to or discussion about actual policy proposals.

I hope for the latter but wonder......

sailor734 · #**1699** Posted **Jan 14, 2025, 4:35 PM**

Christ Clark is out.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-leadership-gould-champagne-1.7430641

lirette · #**1700** Posted **Jan 14, 2025, 6:11 PM**

It was a complete softball interview, but I thought Mark Carney actually came across really well on Jon Stewart.

I really haven't seen much of him and sort of just assumed he was a milquetoast finance guy but he is actually quite quick witted. Perhaps abit awkward but charming in a certain way.

I would say its his race to lose at this point. He has the best chance of seperating himself policy wise from Trudeau and this appearance alone will bump him up to the top.

The issue I see though is that the if its a spring election I don't see how the liberals have nearly enough time to reinvent themselves, which is part of why the calls for JT to step down started last summer.

Freeland is way too closely tied to Trudeau IMO. I think the general population has some familiarity with her compared to Carney. Carney could look like an outsider similar to how Holt looked like an outsider, but Holt had much longer to build herself up and had the advantage of being in the opposition.