Winnipeg James Armstrong Richardson International Airport - Page 85

LO 044 · #**1681** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 1:38 PM**

Congrats on the new digs. From the pictures so far, the airport looks great. First the Jets and then a new YWG. A pretty good year i'd say.

drew · #**1682** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 1:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by vip77

To accept international flights terminal should have customs, immigration services and etc. in it. Will the new one have them?

The current INTERNATIONAL airport already has these services...

drew · #**1683** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 1:48 PM**

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Originally Posted by armorand93

If we can support an Antonov-124, we can DEFINITELY support an A380, 787 Dreamliner or heck, even the space shuttle

I remember watching some show about this plane. The way the landing gear is designed (lots of tires!) it can land just about any where, on any surface. So the Antonov isn't a great indicator on the capacity of our runways.

It's big, but it lands "small" if that makes any sense.

vip77 · #**1684** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 2:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

The current INTERNATIONAL airport already has these services...

Are you sure?

Why don't we have international flights then? Just US and Iceland.
Immigrants never arrive directly in Winnipeg, mostly through Toronto since there are immigration services...

The Jabroni · #**1685** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by armorand93

If we can support an Antonov-124, we can DEFINITELY support an A380, 787 Dreamliner or heck, even the space shuttle

Even though the Space Shuttle is now retired, it would take an extreme and highly unlikely case for either Discovery, Atlantis, or Endeavour to land on our longest runway strip (18/36) at the airport, and those spaceplanes land at around 360 km/h, faster than a jetliner. That runway would be considered "bare minimum" in terms of the amount of runway length needed.

drew · #**1686** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 3:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by vip77

Are you sure?

Why don't we have international flights then? Just US and Iceland.
Immigrants never arrive directly in Winnipeg, mostly through Toronto since there are immigration services...

I am not sure how to respond to this.

The US and Iceland are not Canada, and therefore constitute international flights, there are also seasonal non-stop flights to the Mexico and Caribbean countries from Winnipeg as well. We have both US and Canada border services right at the airport.

Immigration is totally different animal. It you need visas, etc. to come to Canada, you need those BEFORE you travel, not when you get here.

roccerfeller · #**1687** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 3:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by vip77

Are you sure?

Why don't we have international flights then? Just US and Iceland.
Immigrants never arrive directly in Winnipeg, mostly through Toronto since there are immigration services...

I'll just say I think drew's right on that one...

To answer your second question, its not currently decided on what will happen to the original terminal, but more than likely (as in 95% likely), it will be demolished. Its already in really bad shape, and - as I mentioned a few posts ago - the foundations have shifted. So, that's a huge indication it can't really be used for anything else even structurally (i.e. if they gutted out the building)

Personally, I think it plays into WAA's Phase II plans...they had information about Phase II several times; initially in 2004, again in 2007, and mentioned yet again in 2009 newsletters. The one repeated train of through throughout all of those mentions was that they would reveal more once the new terminal is opened and operational. Whatever Phase II is, we'll likely get some hint after their fiscal year is over. So, what my point is, is that the current terminal will be demolished and that is related to whatever WAA has in mind for Phase II

Its similar to what happened in London with Heathrow when they were building their terminal expansions or building some of the current terminals like terminal 4; old buildings would be demolished, after the new building was up and operational, then a new parkade or something would come up in the old building's space. Its just a general expansion framework.

Riverman · #**1688** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 3:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by vip77

I didn't know we have such a good strip here in Winnipeg ("Runway 18/36 is 11,000 feet"). Good for us, I am not a specialist, but I figured old airports never have modern/long strip.

The long strip was built as an alternate strip for launching/retrieving loaded B-52 aircraft in the event of a nuclear war, should Grand Forks and Minot be destroyed. This was done as part of NORAD early in the cold war.

vip77 · #**1689** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 4:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

I am not sure how to respond to this.

Immigration is totally different animal. It you need visas, etc. to come to Canada, you need those BEFORE you travel, not when you get here.

It is not the case

trust me, I am an immigrant (that is why I don't know much about Winnipeg's airport yet). There is a lot of paperwork in Toronto airport for immigrants and foreign workers in the immigration sector. The question was about this, will they be able to land in Winnipeg, instead of Toronto? In other words, will we have that kind of services here. I have no idea, but statistics say we have ~20,000 people arrive in Manitoba as immigrants per year + a few thousands of foreign workers. Roughly speaking, they need to have a stop at Toronto airport just for the paperwork. That doesn't make sense any more as we almost have a large terminal for all that sort of things.

armorand93 · #**1690** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 5:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by vip77

It is not the case

trust me, I am an immigrant (that is why I don't know much about Winnipeg's airport yet). There is a lot of paperwork in Toronto airport for immigrants and foreign workers in the immigration sector. The question was about this, will they be able to land in Winnipeg, instead of Toronto? In other words, will we have that kind of services here. I have no idea, but statistics say we have ~20,000 people arrive in Manitoba as immigrants per year + a few thousands of foreign workers. Roughly speaking, they need to have a stop at Toronto airport just for the paperwork. That doesn't make sense any more as we almost have a large terminal for all that sort of things.

They should be landing in Winnipeg! Then, Toronto wont need to build 30-floor towers at the rate of one per three days

drew · #**1691** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 5:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by vip77

It is not the case

trust me, I am an immigrant (that is why I don't know much about Winnipeg's airport yet). There is a lot of paperwork in Toronto airport for immigrants and foreign workers in the immigration sector. The question was about this, will they be able to land in Winnipeg, instead of Toronto? In other words, will we have that kind of services here. I have no idea, but statistics say we have ~20,000 people arrive in Manitoba as immigrants per year + a few thousands of foreign workers. Roughly speaking, they need to have a stop at Toronto airport just for the paperwork. That doesn't make sense any more as we almost have a large terminal for all that sort of things.

I honestly have no idea. I assume most immigrants Manitoba gets come here after they have work permits, paper work etc. all worked out before hand.

The idea of booking a flight to come to a foreign country for the purposes of immigrating, and doing so without first having completed the necessary immigration paperwork, etc. seems crazy to me, but I guess if you are right, it happens.

I think the fact of the matter is not that Winnipeg lacks these facilities to process what are essentially refugees (the way you are describing it), it's just that flights from these sorts of countries only land in Toronto if they come to Canada at all.

vip77 · #**1692** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 7:29 PM**

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Originally Posted by drew

I honestly have no idea. I assume most immigrants Manitoba gets come here after they have work permits, paper work etc. all worked out before hand.

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I think the fact of the matter is not that Winnipeg lacks these facilities to process what are essentially refugees (the way you are describing it), it's just that flights from these sorts of countries only land in Toronto if they come to Canada at all.

The point is not only ALL immigrants (not refugees only), but even almost ALL international students and foreign workers have paperwork in the airport of Toronto (besides the paperwork back in home country). All that mass of people willing to live/work/study in Manitoba must land in Toronto/Vancouver first to do that paperwork.

That would be great if they could do the same here in Winnipeg provided there will be convenient direct flights. There will be that flights, if there is a demand for that. So far there is no demand as people still MUST land in Toronto for that purposes ;(

Sorry for my confused explanation of the thought.

vip77 · #**1693** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 7:33 PM**

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Originally Posted by armorand93

They should be landing in Winnipeg! Then, Toronto wont need to build 30-floor towers at the rate of one per three days

They should, but they are not allowed to do that yet

They would love to save money and have a direct flight from... let's say... Manila or London to Winnipeg, but border guards are waiting for them in Toronto

Even though they already have all the necessary VISA's in their passports.

What an unfairness!

YYCguys · #**1694** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 8:28 PM**

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Originally Posted by trebor204

Flightboard

@ a Saskatoon flight (on WS) from YWG and the Memphis flight. I know it was only for testing, but it was funny to see!

Joshy · #**1695** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 8:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by YYCguys

@ a Saskatoon flight (on WS) from YWG and the Memphis flight. I know it was only for testing, but it was funny to see!

Sorry, why do you say this is funny?

North of 49 · #**1696** Posted **Oct 11, 2011, 9:09 PM**

Make a note that Delta airlines and Northwest have merged. Delta I believe is headquartered in Memphis. Northwest was in in Minneapolis.

I wouldn't mind having another alternate hub for us to get down to the southern sun destinations.

Just another option.

It would be nice to have more direct flights however to San Fran, Los Angeles, New York, Atlanta, Miami etc.