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Old Posted Sep 21, 2006, 12:45 AM
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Uh, so Spring will be 41 floors?! Ah ha!

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Developers said they plan to start work on the 41-story, 260-unit tower in early 2007, with completion expected in the fourth quarter of 2008.
^^^ One note though, "41-stories" may just mean that it'll be 410 feet tall. Then again, didn't we count like 41/42 floors in the renderings? And wasn't it given permission to go as high as 450 feet high?
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This is big news. With Spring looking more and more like it WILL happen, downtown is going to start pushing west, with higher density. Spring will not be left all by its lonesome over there. And to think we all had a bad feeling about this one ...
Sorry Dude..... only you and "Looking up" (irony noted) had those feelings
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 21, 2006, 1:11 AM
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You know, this is where T-Stacy's project comes into play. If the office market continues its upward swing, this could be the saving grace for the tower. Already planned as a mixed-use tower with a large office component, he may opt to shift the space more toward office/hotel uses, with a smaller proportion set aside for residential (though hopefully not a scaled-down tower). Just a thought...
....and a good thought at that! Would be smart to surf the opportunity...
     
     
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MichaelB, it wasn't just me and looking up, I in fact, have been pretty optimistic in general (ignorant optimism maybe) but there was overwhelming thought that Spring was shaky, what with their just getting funding and many other things. Let's just be happy about it, or you can say I told ya so ...
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MichaelB, it wasn't just me and looking up, I in fact, have been pretty optimistic in general (ignorant optimism maybe) but there was overwhelming thought that Spring was shaky, what with their just getting funding and many other things. Let's just be happy about it, or you can say I told ya so ...
And you now think Spring will actually happen (after 18 months) because of something you read in the paper? Really? I'm curious - where are the floorplans and pricing? Even "speculators" and "investors" need this info.

The same is true for Novare's 360. Other proposals in Austin have shared their floorplans and pricing - right up front. That's how they got buyers (or at least pre-sale deposits related to actual floorplans and prices).

It will take more than the a brief mention in the paper - the Statesman especially. Call IBC and ask them - you'll be surprised. It isn't financed yet, although they may have agreed to some "possible" terms. These terms will require a certain number of "pre-sales" with real deposits. Spring and Novare have no pre-sales. Zero.

I think it is a much better question to simply wonder why both of these projects have not released any floorplans OR pricing, while every other project has. What are they hiding? Maybe someone has an explanation - I don't.

I remain optimistic about Austin and high-rise condo product, but not these two projects. They don't make sense. Buyers (or many times speculators with some risk) decide whether or not a building gets financed and built - not the promoters.
     
     
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LookingUp -- I wonder when you'll admit that 360 is "real". I must have just imagined the crane.
     
     
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Viral marketer claims competiton isnt actually doing anything despite a wealth of evidence to the contrary, film at 11.

Seriously, this guy doesnt do anything but intentionaly pass of propoganda as fact, why is he still around?
     
     
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Town Lake Park Phase II

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Town Lake Park, Phase II A12

The construction of the second of four phases of the 54+ acre urban park is scheduled to start in August 2005. Phase II of the park will redevelop the old city coliseum site with an interactive fountain designed by artist Donald Lipski. Parking for approximately 60 park visitors will be provided just north of the Dougherty Arts Center. There
will be an observation hill created for viewing, lots of landscape planting, a lagoon with water collected from the new Palmer Events Center, restrooms and a spiral garden area designed by a local artist team lead by Beverly Penn and funded by the Junior League of Austin as donation to the park.

Start Construction: August 2005
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...All the arguments put forth on where the real occupant buyers will come from don't convince me. Indeed, these condos are being built and proposed on speculation and this has turned into a disaster just about everywhere else in the country now. The flippers/speculators are largely disappearing from the marketplace nationally; and it's such people who've been buying the vasty majority of high-rise condos. Austin indeed is probably the last major market that hasn't yet entered the downturn cycle, but it's just a matter of time.
I hear you, Kropotkin. I've been saying this for sometime. The irrational exuberance is hitting a roadblock throughout most of the country. Condos, in particular, are getting hit very hard. Buyers are finally waking up to the realities of what their long term financial obligations will be when financing on creative loans that enable truly unqualified buyers to get into mortgages way above their means.

My worry for Austin is that many earlier reports indicated Austin's housing market was underpriced which drew the attention of savvy investor buyers looking for a new frontier to drop their cash and make quick bucks. That report incensed me because I don't value markets by comparing them to other metro regions around the country. Every market has its own unique characteristics, and for some real estate economist to flap off that Austin was underpriced is irresponsible reporting. Austin housing was priced appropriately for the local economy. But that stupid report will more than likely serve to drive Austin's prices right into the "overpriced" market which will suck for the average Austinite wishing to buy a home. Well, that is until everything comes crashing down, which, if you have any history at all in Austin, you'll know that that's very likely.
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Just noticed that International Bank of Commerce (IBC) took out a large ad in the back of today's AAS Business section, promoting their partnership with Spring. It reads:

"International Bank of Commerce is pleased to provide construction financing to Spring Austin Partners, LTD. for the development of SPRING Condominiums. A 260-Unit Point Tower complex. Third and Bowie, Austin, TX."

A rendering is included in this ad.
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Just noticed that International Bank of Commerce (IBC) took out a large ad in the back of today's AAS Business section, promoting their partnership with Spring. It reads:

"International Bank of Commerce is pleased to provide construction financing to Spring Austin Partners, LTD. for the development of SPRING Condominiums. A 260-Unit Point Tower complex. Third and Bowie, Austin, TX."

A rendering is included in this ad.
unpossible. They clearly have no floorplans. Its all a lie.
     
     
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unpossible. They clearly have no floorplans. Its all a lie.
Yup... its on Page D4, bottom.
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Article from News8Austin.com:
http://www.news8austin.com/content/top_stories/default.asp?ArID=170974

Video: http://www.news8austin.com/shared/video/video_pop.asp?destlist=38714

Downtown still booming


9/19/2006 4:14 PM
By: Jennifer Bordelon

"In the early 1990s Austin's downtown was as bad as it can be and we actually led the nation in downtown office vacancy," Austin Mayor Will Wynn said.

That's not the case anymore.

Walking down Third Street, Austin looks like a small piece of San Francisco or New York City with sidewalk flowers and magazines. Scooters are the mode of transportation and residents sit on sidewalks enjoying midday meals.

Downtown living, like everything else, is all about supply and demand. Businesses follow people and their money. And right now people are moving downtown.
The Royal Blue Grocery recently opened its doors as the only small grocer in the area.

"We think our timing is pretty good. The density for what the city has planned for people moving down here is really ramping up," owner George Scariano said.

For residents here, it's about a lifestyle of convenience: live, work and play all within walking distance.
"A lot of these shops are very convenient for the residents who live around here," Austin resident Sarah Presser said.

Roughly 5,300 people live in the downtown Austin area; that number is expected to double in the next few years.

Development is seen in the number of cranes over the downtown skyline. About 3,800 units are under construction, which means about 5,000 more people.

"Downtown is this economic engine that pumps money into our
general fund so that we then can go subsidize frankly and spend those general fund dollars out in the neighborhoods with policing and fire protection and ambulance service," Wynn said.

The real estate bubble is bursting in other cities across the country but that doesn't seem to be the case in the Live Music Capital of the World.
"What's the natural growth rate of Austin in the next 10 to 15 years?

They are talking about this town doubling. Yes, this is going to more than double the population of downtown but it's such a small percentage of what's going to be the total population of Austin that I see no problem," Realtor "Condo" Joe Bryson said.

Construction crews can't seem to work fast enough because most of the high rise condos are sold out before the doors are even open.
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Geez, we've got one heckuva list growing...those 'under construction' and those planning to turnover the dirt in 'early' 2007 or sometime later...

without cheating, I can think of these off the top my head

in construction mode...

altavida
W hotel/block 21
AMLI 2
360
monarch
the shore
and the bridges on s. lamar

in 2007

spring
stacey tower 5th/congress (doesn't stacey have another proposal a few blocks west too?)
200 congress
legacy
van zandt
marriott convention hotels on the east side of congress bound by 2nd/3rd sts.
     
     
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Yup... its on Page D4, bottom.
I was ribbing on our friend with the skyward bound eyes.

He actually sent me a PM that said

"You really are a moron"

     
     
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MichaelB, it wasn't just me and looking up, I in fact, have been pretty optimistic in general (ignorant optimism maybe) but there was overwhelming thought that Spring was shaky, what with their just getting funding and many other things. Let's just be happy about it, or you can say I told ya so ...
My appologies..... I will admit I was more focued on "Debbie Downer" AKA "LookingUP" ( I still love the irony of his/her handle). It amazes me that folks still think this is some scam/sham project just because they aren't in on all the decissions. I just don't think a bank would co-announce financing unless someone was serious.(re: ad's this week...wasn't that always the standard LkUp used for a legit project.....financing?) Granted, things could still change.... but from conversations I have had with folks around the project months ago, they are where they planned to be at this time. ooops.

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Hotel/condo tower set for Seaholm makeover
Work could begin next summer on 163-room hotel to open in 2009.


By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Friday, September 22, 2006


A 22-story hotel and condominium tower could rise above the smokestacks at the former Seaholm Power Plant by 2009.

The project is the first part of a multimillion-dollar plan to transform the Seaholm site into vibrant district with shops, offices, housing, entertainment and cultural attractions.

Jeff Trigger, former managing director of the historic Driskill Hotel, will run the 163-room hotel, tentatively called the Seaholm Plaza Hotel.

Trigger, who recently formed a hotel management and consulting company, also will oversee the construction, management and operations of the hotel, which will be built just north of the former power plant.

He emphasized that the hotel "won't be part of a branded chain, or managed by an out-of-state corporation."

Work could start next summer, with the opening planned for spring 2009.

Austin-based Centro Partners LLC will develop the 62 condominium units, with prices from about $350,000 to more than $1 million, said Kent Collins, a Centro partner.

The city last year tapped a group led by Austin-based Southwest Strategies Group Inc. to redevelop the 7.8-acre Seaholm site, which will include preserving and reusing the power plant and its Art Deco-style facade. The plan includes converting the plant into 80,000 square feet of retail, restaurant, office and meeting and events space. Other elements include a two-story office building behind the plant and landscaped plazas.

John Rosato, a Southwest Strategies principal, said more announcements are expected in the next two to three months, as well as architectural drawings of the project that is expected to be 400,000 square feet and cost more than $100 million.

Seaholm's hotel/condo "will be the perfect complement to other kinds of uses likely to be featured within the Seaholm site," Rosato said. Danny Roth, the other principal at the firm, also is involved in Seaholm.

The city is a partner in the Seaholm project, along with Southwest Strategies, Trigger and Design Collective Inc., a Baltimore firm that has experience in redeveloping power plants. Negotiations on a final development agreement with the city should wrap up late this year or in early 2007.

Seaholm previously had been considered as a possible new home for the Austin Children's Museum and the "Austin City Limits" public television show. Both now will be part of a mixed-use project that Stratus Properties Inc. will build north of City Hall.

The Seaholm Plaza is one of eight hotels planned for downtown, three of which will include condominiums. The others are a W hotel that is part of the Stratus project and the Hotel Van Zandt, planned for a site at Red River and Rainey Streets.

Alan Holt, sales director for the 5 Fifty Five condos in the Hilton Austin, said hotels and condos complement each other.

"Residents love being able to order room service, to go down to the coffee shop or bar without ever leaving the building," Holt said. "And the hotel benefits from having stable residents in the building."

Randy McCaslin, a hotel industry consultant, said construction costs for full-service hotels have risen about 25 percent in the past two years, making them hard to finance.

By including condominiums, developers can reduce their debt by using cash from condominium pre-sales, said McCaslin, a vice president in the Houston office of PKF Consulting.

The Marriott International hotel chain is part of the biggest downtown hotel project, a Congress Avenue complex that will include a 650-room convention hotel and two smaller hotels.

J. Willard Marriott, chairman and CEO of the company, was in Austin on Thursday for the official grand opening of a Residence Inn and Courtyard by Marriott near the Austin Convention Center.

"This city continues to attract a lot of business," Marriott said. "The University of Texas is a huge generator of business, the convention center is very attractive and has a lot of space and there is a lot of activity downtown, which we think is very important. You've got a lot of offer."

Marriott also said few cities can boast Austin's year-round hotel occupancy, which he said is above 70 percent. Marriott and others are building here "because of the dynamics of the market," he said. "There are very few cities in this country running that kind of year-round occupancy."


[email protected]; 445-3856. Staff writer Claudia Grisales contributed to this report.


Find this article at:
http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/other/09/22/22seaholm.html
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Also from today's Austin Business Journal daily edition:

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2006/09/18/daily35.html?jst=b_ln_hl

Hotel to complement Seaholm plant

Austin Business Journal - 9:46 AM CDT Friday


A veteran of the Austin hotel industry will oversee construction and management of a 163-room boutique hotel that will be part of the redevelopment project surrounding the old Seaholm Power Plant downtown.

Jeff Trigger, the former managing director of the Driskill Hotel who led that property's $30 million renovation, and his company La Corsha Hospitality Group, will direct the building of The Seaholm Plaza Hotel.

The hotel will occupy 6 floors in the 22-story residential tower being built adjacent to the former Seaholm power plant. The tower will also include 62 condominium units.

The hotel, slated to open in 2009, will feature an Art Deco design to complement the look of the historic power plant building and include meeting and exhibit space both outdoors and in the existing building. Other amenities include landscaped gardens, a health spa and heated pool.

Last year the city of Austin selected a team of local developers to lead the redevelopment of the 7.8-acre Seaholm site. Trigger has joined that group, Seaholm Power LLC, as a principal partner.

"This hotel will play a crucial role in the rebirth of the Seaholm site, and it will be designed in a manner to complement the adjacent historic structure," Trigger says. "The hotel will be true to Austin's warm and friendly nature while combining Art Deco architecture with modern touches of elegance."
Trigger says the hotel will set itself apart by being the only independent luxury hotel in downtown.

"We think a hotel will be the perfect compliment to other kinds of uses likely to be featured within the Seaholm site, like office space and retail shops," says John Rosato, managing partner with Seaholm Power LLC.

Kent Collins with Austin-based Centro Partners, which is developing the condo portion of the project, says residents at Seaholm will benefit from Trigger's hospitality expertise.

La Corsha Hospitality Group was also recently tapped to lead the $50 million restoration of two historic Texas hotels, The Stoneleigh Hotel in Dallas and the St. Anthony Hotel in San Antonio.
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God what a buzzkill. It's like there is some kind of motive this guy has to constantly downplay even the most optimistic announcements. If a bank says it is funding a project, why not take it on good faith. JEEZ!
     
     
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Fantastic. I was in that area last week and was thinking it would be great to see a tower go up there. The Seaholm site is huge. And I'm loving the idea that it'll be art-deco. Bring it on.
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