Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability - Page 84

logan5 · #**1661** Posted **Sep 15, 2022, 11:52 PM**

I don't think Vin even leaves his parents basement, let alone see other cities. Granville Street is nowhere close to what East Hastings is. I was just in Toronto, and walking down Queen Street West there are bums beggars all over the place. The only area that really stands out in Vancouver (in a Canadian context) is East Hastings Vin has no idea what he is talking about.

Vin · #**1662** Posted **Sep 17, 2022, 4:04 AM**

Meanwhile the rot continues while I am safe in my folks' basement.... ��

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Sawed-off shotgun and other weapons seized from Downtown Eastside tent
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/weapons-downtown-eastside-tent

Vin · #**1663** Posted **Sep 17, 2022, 4:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by logan5

I don't think Vin even leaves his parents basement, let alone see other cities. Granville Street is nowhere close to what East Hastings is. I was just in Toronto, and walking down Queen Street West there are bums beggars all over the place. The only area that really stands out in Vancouver (in a Canadian context) is East Hastings Vin has no idea what he is talking about.

Glad to see you have finally inched your way out of town. No wonder you have a change of heart about supertalls on W Broadway. T.O. is an eye opener ain't it?

Vin · #**1664** Posted **Sep 17, 2022, 5:30 AM**

We are so safe: let's stay boarded up

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/why-dressew-boarded-hastings

Migrant_Coconut · #**1665** Posted **Sep 17, 2022, 6:13 AM**

Took another walk down Granville tonight, nothing happened. But haters have a strong bias toward fearmongering, so we are still dangerous. Very dangerous.

zahav · #**1666** Posted **Sep 17, 2022, 1:19 PM**

Calgary's downtown has always be applauded for cleanliess, it's pretty well documented. But the size and composition of their downtown is totally different than ours, with way less people. If you go to Burrard and Dunsmuir, it doesn't wreak of p*ss or have tons of trash, and neither does a lot of Yaletown. Comparing Calgary to the worst parts of DT Van isn't really a fair comparison.

With that said, I am certainly not downplaying the state of homelessness and cleanliness in some areas, it is disgusting and has to improve. I am not burying my head in the sand and claiming downtown hasn't degraded in areas, but Calgary is like an unused toy, it's clean and spotless because it has way way less people. Plus it never rains lol, so has that desert-esque cleanliness in summer

whatnext · #**1667** Posted **Sep 19, 2022, 6:50 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

Calgary's downtown has always be applauded for cleanliess, it's pretty well documented. But the size and composition of their downtown is totally different than ours, with way less people. If you go to Burrard and Dunsmuir, it doesn't wreak of p*ss or have tons of trash, and neither does a lot of Yaletown. Comparing Calgary to the worst parts of DT Van isn't really a fair comparison.

With that said, I am certainly not downplaying the state of homelessness and cleanliness in some areas, it is disgusting and has to improve. I am not burying my head in the sand and claiming downtown hasn't degraded in areas, but Calgary is like an unused toy, it's clean and spotless because it has way way less people. Plus it never rains lol, so has that desert-esque cleanliness in summer

Well, except for Calatrava's Peace Bridge which some a-holes trashed.

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/charges-laid-...panes-that-caused-1m-in-damage-1.6004553

Vin · #**1668** Posted **Sep 19, 2022, 7:16 PM**

The next generation in this city isn't getting any classier. Ugly Vancouver rears its head once again.....

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Crowd riots in Vancouver after headliner Lil Baby a no-show at music festival (VIDEO)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/lil-baby-breakout-festival-riot

whatnext · #**1669** Posted **Sep 19, 2022, 7:28 PM**

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The next generation in this city isn't getting any classier. Ugly Vancouver rears its head once again.....

What's a L'il baby?

Vin · #**1670** Posted **Sep 19, 2022, 8:05 PM**

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What's a L'il baby?

Perhaps not worth knowing if he attracts the worst of characters.

Changing City · #**1671** Posted **Sep 19, 2022, 8:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

What's a L'il baby?

A contemporary musical performer, attracting the grandchildren of fans of the Rolling Stones who 50 years ago were rioting (with significantly greater violence) at the same venue. "During the Rolling Stones concert at the Pacific Coliseum on June 3, 1972, 285 police clashed with 2,000 would-be concert goers, including members of the notorious Clark Park gang, some of whom threw rocks, bottles, and Molotov cocktails. Twenty-two people were arrested and thirty-one police officers injured." (Twenty years ago their parents were into Guns N' Roses.)

Photo credit: Dan Scott/Vancouver Sun

SFUVancouver · #**1672** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 1:01 PM**

^ Looking a that photo, I feel like police in that era should have been more inclined to favour de-escalation than police in ballistic body armour with standoff weapons would be today. Yet that definitely wasn't the case.

Vin · #**1673** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 3:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Took another walk down Granville tonight, nothing happened. But haters have a strong bias toward fearmongering, so we are still dangerous. Very dangerous.

Keep walking.....

Woman recounts scary encounter with stranger
https://globalnews.ca/video/9141418/woman-recounts-scary-encounter-with-stranger/

There is also an average of 4 daily unprovoked assaults to nullify your obnoxious claim.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1674** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 5:05 PM**

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There is also an average of 4 daily unprovoked assaults to nullify your obnoxious claim.

Since people who're scared by tabloids really suck at math, I'll make it easy: 4 out of 446,100 people headed downtown every day is about a 1:111,525 chance of something bad happening; I'm nine times more likely to be struck by lightning, and ~25x more likely to be hit by a car. Your obnoxious claim ain't gonna stop me or anybody else from walking down Granville.

MIPS · #**1675** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by SFUVancouver

^ Looking a that photo, I feel like police in that era should have been more inclined to favour de-escalation than police in ballistic body armour with standoff weapons would be today. Yet that definitely wasn't the case.

Because back then it wasn't 20 pages of paperwork and an IIO investigation lasting two months when your orders were to clear a park and you were given a stick and a face shield.

Last Sunday was barely a riot. There wasn't even a single fire. People paid a pile of money to see a concert, the sets bailed and the crowd got rowdy.

Vin · #**1676** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 7:31 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Since people who're scared by tabloids really suck at math, I'll make it easy: 4 out of 446,100 people headed downtown every day is about a 1:111,525 chance of something bad happening; I'm nine times more likely to be struck by lightning, and ~25x more likely to be hit by a car. Your obnoxious claim ain't gonna stop me or anybody else from walking down Granville.

And you won't have to wear a seat belt when driving, or crash helmet when riding a bike. What are the chances of you getting into an accident anyway?

WarrenC12 · #**1677** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 7:50 PM**

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And you won't have to wear a seat belt when driving, or crash helmet when riding a bike. What are the chances of you getting into an accident anyway?

You really don't understand statistics do you?

chowhou · #**1678** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 7:56 PM**

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And you won't have to wear a seat belt when driving, or crash helmet when riding a bike. What are the chances of you getting into an accident anyway?

Seatbelts should be mandated in the same way secured cargo should be because not only are you a hazard to yourself in an accident, you are are a threat to your passengers and other people around your vehicle when your body ricochets around in an accident. It's also such a minor thing to do, and it's always there. Why not put it on?

Bike helmets don't really protect others and they barely protect yourself. Half the time I don't wear mine anymore.

Neither of these are comparable to going out of your way to avoid an entire city. Driving itself is far more dangerous, but I bet you still drive don't you?

Migrant_Coconut · #**1679** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 8:26 PM**

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And you won't have to wear a seat belt when driving, or crash helmet when riding a bike. What are the chances of you getting into an accident anyway?

1 in 8,527. So banning all driving in the downtown core would make it thirteen times safer than prisons or rehab would, and for a fraction of the cost - sound like a plan?

Changing City · #**1680** Posted **Sep 20, 2022, 11:50 PM**

[QUOTE=Migrant_Coconut;9736108]Since people who're scared by tabloids really suck at math, I'll make it easy: 4 out of 446,100 people headed downtown every day is about a 1:111,525 chance of something bad happening; I'm nine times more likely to be struck by lightning, and ~25x more likely to be hit by a car. Your obnoxious claim ain't gonna stop me or anybody else from walking down Granville.[/QUOTE

Sorry to challenge your calculation (which is correct) but I understand the four stranger attacks take place in the entire city, not just Downtown. (I'm sure Vin can check his extensive database of 'bad things that happened in Vancouver' to cofirm that). If that's the case, then the odds of a stranger attack in Downtown would be significantly lower than you suggested.