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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 2:30 AM
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Some really nice rinks in Edmundston and Moncton.

It's great when a city is clear on what it is. Hamilton, on the other hand, will forever be caught in between: Do you renovate the existing 17000 seat arena or build a new one half the size? Both options kinda stink...
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Old Posted May 26, 2018, 5:34 AM
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^ Very nice looking rink.

I wonder if we could see something like that go up in Regina in the near future? Regina currently has a 6,500 seat rink in the western end of town, basically a renovated and slightly expanded 1970s WHL arena. Something like the Moncton venue but maybe a bit bigger, with around 10 to 11 thousand seats, would be a great asset for the downtown area there.
I've just been in Regina for the Memorial Cup. Lots of talk amongst the local population about a rumoured arena in the city centre or along Dewdney (just N of the core) though the Pats put in some big renovations to Brandt Centre this year.
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Old Posted May 28, 2018, 12:38 PM
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Final concept for the new Gatineau arena. They significantly reduced the glass expanse and greenery in order to "fit" the budget, but still looks fairly decent.

A little history on this one. The Olympiques de Gatineau (formerly les Olympiques de Hull) play in the 60 year old Centre Robert Guertin on the northern part of Hull Island, near downtown Ottawa and Gatineau (Hull).

After well over a decade of back and forth of whether a new arena should be build closer to the central core, on the same site as the "Bob" or somewhere else entirely (total of 3 plans and 2 submissions over the years), it was decided the partner up with the private entity VMSO in a public-private partnership. The City had worked with VMSO on a smaller arena project in the past.

The new arena, that will include 4 ice surfaces (therefore doubling as a replacement for community arenas past their useful life), including the 4,000 seat arena for the Gatineau Olympiques, will be built in the "downtown" area of the old City of Gatineau near a few office buildings (4 to 8 floors), a large sports complex, the Ctiy's largest library and performance space, a Cegep and the main RapiBus station. Plans are in place for high-rise residential and hotel space.

The location brought plenty of opposition from a few City Councillors who argued that moving the arena outside of downtown would further hinder the area's growth and it is an attack on the history of the team (Hull Olympiques). Worth mentioning that 3 of the biggest opposers are no longer on City Council (one retired and later lost a court battle against the City in regards to the project, 2 others ran for mayor and lost to the incumbent).

Arguments for the new location include bringing the team closer to it's fan base (according to the team's stats, most fans come from east of the Gatineau River), the new arena will only be a few steps from a RapiBus station and will be surrounded by more schools (high schools and a Cegep), bringing in more fans. Also, a new NHL arena in Downtown Ottawa will inevitably overshadow anything built in Hull anyway.

Despite two petitions opened by the City to consider a referendum, few people signed. Nowhere near the benchmark required.






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Old Posted May 28, 2018, 1:07 PM
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This particular rendering makes it look like it's in the middle of nowhere surrounded by fields. While it's not in an attractive traditional urban setting at all, the area around it is pretty developed - but it's mostly your typical low-density commercial suburban wasteland type of zone. Except for the part that is immediately adjacent to the new arena which is kind of built in the "new urbanism" style.


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Old Posted May 28, 2018, 1:15 PM
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The Bob is in a pretty great spot but I don't mind the location of the new rink. On the Rapi-Bus line, near an increasingly centralizing and building Gatineau centre. Could be worse.

I fear this arena will turn out similar to the project in Blainville, though - a box with a hockey rink inside.
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Francophone Canada seems to have its own set of design idioms for arenas relative to th rest of the country... there is a strong tendency for them to look like office or institutional buildings with a certain kind of restrained, almost minimalist modern elegance. To that extent, the Gatineau proposal fits right in.
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The Bob is in a pretty great spot
Hopefully the Vieux Bob's site can be transformed into something that's good for the city given its central location. And that the transformation won't take decades to materialize.

Much was made of the potential of a downtown arena in terms of urban revitalization but the Vieux Bob was there for half a century and didn't produce that much in terms of spin-off benefits.

It's probably not a bad thing to try something different

- a new vocation for the old downtown Guertin site along the lines of other stuff the city is doing in other parts of downtown and which is working quite well

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an additional shot in the arm for our modern secondary downtown in the eastern Gatineau sector
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What was wrong with the old grass? Did Giovinco complain again ?.....
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What was wrong with the old grass? Did Giovinco complain again ?.....
Maybe the Argos destroyed it all.
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^^^Wonder if this will be the last time they will do that.

Toronto FC tired of playing on ‘cow pasture’, installing new grass surface at BMO Field
Neil Davidson, Canadian Press May 5, 2018

Tired of playing on a “cow pasture,” Toronto FC plans to lay a new grass surface at BMO Field later this month.

The new grass will be the fifth in eight years at BMO Field, which has undergone considerable construction to expand and improve the original venue that opened in 2007 with artificial turf.

The plan from now on is to lay a new surface at the end of every season.

Toronto is also going to have another look at the kind of hybrid turf used by teams like the Green Bay Packers. With about five per cent of the surface synthetic, that type of surface offers more durability.

“As we go into the off-season, we may very well go that direction,” Manning said.

Even though BMO Field has underground heating, an inflatable cover and grow-lamps, that isn’t enough to preserve grass in the depth of a Toronto winter.
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Maybe the Argos destroyed it all.
Tough to do when they weren't playing.
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Tough to do when they weren't playing.
I was being sarcastic.
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I was being sarcastic.
Yes, I know. Just providing the back story for those who weren't aware.
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^ Toronto FC's season is so long I don't know how they get around the issue in the Canadian climate without going to some kind of hybrid. When you're playing into December and then starting up again in March, that's barely any time at all for the surface to recover. Even if you took the Argos out of the picture they'd still be running into the same problem.
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Even if you took the Argos out of the picture they'd still be running into the same problem.
It's already been proved.
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^ Toronto FC's season is so long I don't know how they get around the issue in the Canadian climate without going to some kind of hybrid.
They can't get around it. The winter basically destroys the field, let alone using it between March-December.
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Hamilton stadium lawsuit officially settled clearing way for Grey Cup bid
Matthew Van Dongen, The Hamilton Spectator May 31, 2018

The city says more stadium repairs are coming following the settlement of a lawsuit over its problem-plagued $145-million stadium – but taxpayers aren’t on the hook for any extra costs.

The Spectator reported two weeks ago the city, province and Hamilton Tiger-Cats had effectively reached an agreement to end competing lawsuits worth tens of millions of dollars over Tim Hortons Field.

The formal settlement announcement Thursday noted virtually all details will stay secret under the deal between the city, Ticats, Infrastructure Ontario, Pan Am Games organizing committee and stadium contractor Ontario Sports Solutions.

But Mayor Fred Eisenberger emphasized taxpayers won’t be dinged for any extra costs due to the long-running litigation, which started with dueling court claims in spring 2016. “As a result of the resolution, the city is on budget and has sufficient monies remaining to complete final works at the stadium,” he said.

Repairs that are still needed three years after the stadium opened include sealing ongoing expansion joint leaks, fixing floor drains, adding speakers to address complaints about sound dead zones and installing taller guardrails along the top of some stands and stairs, said facilities head Rom D’Angelo.

The tenders for those repairs should go out in the next few weeks, he said. “At that point, we have a finished stadium,” he said.

Since the stadium was handed over late and unfinished ahead of the 2015 Pan Am Games, the city has already stepped in to fix leaks, missing draft beer lines, unsafe railings and rain-damaged television screens. It also commissioned a safety audit after a tower speaker plunged into the empty stands in 2016. The cost of all those jobs were covered by withheld stadium payments to the contractor.

The settlement also provides unspecified compensation to the Tiger-Cats for losses due to construction delays and other stadium deficiencies.

In a brief statement, the Ticats said the team is satisfied with the settlement and happy to “turn the page” on the litigation to work with the city on common goals like bringing a CFL Grey Cup football game and professional soccer to Hamilton.

Eisenberger also said the settlement “clears the way” for the Ticats and city to work toward securing a Grey Cup and “possibly” bring professional soccer to Hamilton.

He added there is still a “difference of opinion” between the city and team over whether the Tiger-Cats have a valid lease to run a soccer franchise at Tim Hortons Field. (A new Canadian Premier League is supposed to start play next year, with Hamilton already listed online as a founding member playing out of Tim Hortons Field.)

Eisenberger said he looks forward to resuming discussions with the team that have “been on hold” due to the city’s policy of not working with parties that are suing the city.

City councillors also citied that policy in refusing to consider a team-sponsored winter dome over the Tim Hortons Field playing surface last year.

The release does not specify what compensation was provided to either the city or Ticats.

The city originally filed a $35-million legal claim against Infrastructure Ontario and the stadium contractor, including $14 million on behalf of the Ticats for losses due to construction delays and other problems.

But at the same time, the city also claimed $4.5 million against the team for delays allegedly caused by the team. The Ticats filed a counterclaim against the city that listed more than 30 stadium defects and issues, but did not specify a particular dollar value.

Infrastructure Ontario spokesperson Lee Greenberg said in a statement the settlement “confirms the project was completed on budget.”

He said the provincial agency is “proud to have delivered this project in a way that protected taxpayers despite the many challenges faced during construction.”

Council discussed the lawsuit behind closed doors weeks ago and emerged to vote on secret directions to staff. Councillors Terry Whitehead and Donna Skelly voted against the closed-door decision, but did not specify why.

Whitehead said he can’t talk about the details of the settlement, but specified Thursday his vote was against a “lack of transparency,” not the settlement itself.

“My thinking was when you deal with taxpayers money, the community has a right to know those dollar figures,” he said.

The cost of tendered repair work will eventually become public.
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^ THF's development unfolded in the most agonizing way possible, from the somewhat underwhelming design choice, to construction delays, to the anticlimactic opening of a half-finished stadium, to deficiencies and other problems that have persisted. I don't understand why the process had to be so painful.

But that said, I'm glad the parties are moving on and hopefully they can work together to bring more teams/events to THF and potentially improve the stadium itself to improve the experience for Ticats fans.
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