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Old Posted Feb 22, 2019, 6:32 PM
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I'm not in a position to expertly evaluate the CPD, but just as a liberal citizen who does like and respect police in general I found it disturbing when the CPD was shown to have what can only be described as a torture station, and when they tried to cover up the shooting of an unarmed young male, and I believe that the destruction things like that cause when it comes to community relations is a direct contributor to a homicide clearance rate of less than 1 in 5. I'm not sorry to state unequivocally that only solving 17.5% of murders is completely unacceptable and can't possibly be read as anything except poor police culture. If you want to make excuses, the clearance rate in Los Angeles is over 70% and in Dallas, which is famous for good community relations, it's nearly 60%. So I can't imagine anything close to a reasonable excuse for a clearance rate of 17.5% for homicides in Chicago.
Chicago's clearance rate is totally unacceptable and, to a large extent, becomes a self perpetuating cycle where no one trusts the cops because they don't solve the crime so no one helps the cops solve the crime.

How you break that feedback loop is totally beyond me. Certainly the corruption and brutality issues CPD has had historically have not helped.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2019, 2:50 PM
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^ Don’t worry, I’m sure Toni Preckwinkle has the right solution
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2019, 7:17 PM
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Interesting to see the new polls for the race.

I had been skeptical of the results of the Joyce internal campaign poll, but now it looks like it hit the nail on the head.

Preckwinkle's support has been static. Meanwhile, a lot of Mendoza and Chico voters have Daley as their second choice if they decide to vote strategically. Preckwinkle loses to Daley in a runoff, whereas Lightfoot wins that contest. Lightfoot seems to have a higher ceiling than Preckwinkle...

So all in all, I would bet on a Daley vs. Lightfoot runoff.


Joyce Campaign Poll 2/14-15

Lightfoot 18%
Preckwinkle: 14%
Daley: 11%
Mendoza: 11%
Chico: 11%
Wilson: 12%

Change Research 2/22-23

Lightfoot: 14%
Daley: 14%
Preckwinkle: 14%
Mendoza: 10%
Chico: 9%
Wilson: 9%
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2019, 8:55 PM
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Daley Lightfoot would be a breath of fresh air. Really hoping Preckwinkle comes in 3rd and misses the runoff.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2019, 9:14 PM
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i've never considered the potential that taxwinkle wouldn't be one of the top 2. that would be intersting.

my strategy up to now has been daley in the 1st round, "not sodawinkle" in the 2nd round, but if she's not there...............
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2019, 10:14 PM
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Even if Preckwinkle makes it to the runoff, we have some assurances:

1. Lightfoot HATES her, hence I'm sure her voters won't flock to her
2. Mendoza probably hates her too, and her voters are also unlikely to flock over
3. Daley voters sure as shit won't vote for her
4. Chico voters--probably more akin to Mendoza voters, won't migrate over either.
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Old Posted Feb 25, 2019, 10:41 PM
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Well, there's not a huge need to speculate. The recent poll went quite into depth on demographics and ranked choices of their subjects. (Obviously it's not quite as accurate when the groups are broken down... but that's polling. You can get the general ideal)

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000...b-7beeb54f0000

That said both Lightfoot and Daley are praying Preckwinkle makes the runoff because the polls say it'll be a blowout.

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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 3:36 PM
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Just voted for Mendoza. I wanted to vote for Vallas but I don't see him making the runoff. Wish we had ranked choice!
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 4:38 PM
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Still haven't made up my mind between voting for Daley or Lightfoot. I just don't want Taxwinkle in the runoff. I would like to see a real campaign between a true pro-business reformer and an actual (not machine lite) progressive. I think the conversation such a campaign would foster would be super healthy for the city.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 4:49 PM
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Still haven't made up my mind between voting for Daley or Lightfoot. I just don't want Taxwinkle in the runoff. I would like to see a real campaign between a true pro-business reformer and an actual (not machine lite) progressive. I think the conversation such a campaign would foster would be super healthy for the city.
I'm voting for Lightfoot since she has a VERY comprehensive housing and transportation plan (amending restrictive zoning & building codes, removing aldermanic prerogative, BRT throughout the city, increasing MED frequency).
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 4:57 PM
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When is our next opportunity to get rid of that asshat Guzzardi?

Here's also hoping that Rosa gets tossed out of office and back to his little "Community fight against white people" or whatever he's all about...
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 5:52 PM
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Imo, voting for Daley shows the city is afraid of change. The city probably find itself continuing to straddle the fence with a mix of successful vanity projects and overall economic stagnation where we find our footing but never really thrive and struggling areas never stabilize.

Excuse me if it comes off rambling.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 6:25 PM
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Polls are tightening

3 at 14%

Vote Daley

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/video/4...ce-tightening/

It could come down to who’s got the best ground game right now I know the plumbers union is working hard for Daley
My brother Is going door-to-door instead of working today.

The trade unions back Daily, the evil civil service unions are backing Taxwinkle.


http://www.plumberslu130ua.org/news....news&nID=14312


At a press conference held on February 7th, James F. Coyne, Business Manager of Plumbers Local 130 UA announced their endorsement of Bill Daley for Mayor of Chicago. Business Manager Coyne, joined by officers and members of Local 130 said the endorsement is being made due to Daley’s pro-business agenda, his top-level government experience and his readiness to lead.
“The actions of our political leaders and the decisions they make impact our city and the lives of our members and their families. Jobs and a thriving economy are crucial factors for the city’s future. Bill Daley will be ready to lead Chicago from Day One”.
Daley said the support of Plumbers Local 130 will be crucial in the home stretch of the campaign.

“My goal is to grow Chicago to three million people over the next decade to create good jobs for working families like the members of Local 130, help address financial challenges, strengthen neighborhoods and build a strong future for our city,” said Daley. “I am very grateful for the support of the hard working men and women of Local 130.”

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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 6:29 PM
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It looks (and sounds, based on what I'm hearing from friends and coworkers) like Lightfoot has momentum. I'm voting for Daley and hoping we end up with Daley vs. Lightfoot. Not sure who I'd vote for between the two.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 7:02 PM
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It could be a long time before we find out who the two will be for the runoff.


https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg...ayor-flip-coin


February 25, 2019 01:36 PM updated 4 hours ago

Who will be Chicago’s next mayor? ...

Greg Hinz
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Both techniques may be needed to decipher the results tomorrow evening as Chicago heads to the voting booths for a mayoral election unlike any within memory.
The latest poll, this one released over the weekend by 270 Strategies, a Chicago-based public engagement firm, underlines just how close the contest is, with Bill Daley, Lori Lightfoot and Toni Preckwinkle just below 14 percent of the vote each, and three others snapping at their heels: Susana Mendoza with 10 percent and Gery Chico and Willie Wilson at 9 percent.


But if it really turns out to be that tight on election night—some experts say the "winner" could get less than 20 percent of the vote—the city may have to cross its fingers if it wants to know for sure who won anytime soon.

The reason is that, as of last evening, 62,000 applications had been filed for mail ballots, but only 26,000 returned, according to the Chicago Board of Elections. That means that, even if more ballots come in today and some people show up at the polls tomorrow or decide not to cast a ballot at all, tens of thousands of votes could trickle in late. And according to board spokesman Jim Allen, those votes legally will have to be counted as long as they're postmarked by tomorrow and arrive in the mail at board offices by March 12, when officials will complete their final canvass.

Allen terms that possibility "alarming"—and it comes even before the possibility that one or more candidates in a super-tight race might demand a recount. As a result, Chicago may not know for sure until well into March which candidates finished in the top two tomorrow and will make the April 2


Back to that final poll.

If it’s right—keep in mind that the survey was strictly online—Preckwinkle and Daley would seem to have an edge because, unlike Lightfoot, their campaigns have decent field organizations. Preckwinkle is aided by lots of union workers, and Daley's campaign is headed by Greg Goldner, a veteran operative who managed one of Richard M. Daley's mayoral campaigns and ran current Mayor Rahm Emanuel's first race for Congress. ...

A look at early and mail balloting so far provides mixed signs. Just under 100,000 Chicagoans had cast early ballots as of Feb. 24, a respectable but by no means eye-popping total. Almost 10 percent of them came from just two wards: the Southwest Side's 19th, home to mayoral hopeful Jerry Joyce, with 5,184, and the Northwest Side's 41st, which has a hot aldermanic contest. Other wards with relatively large early-vote turnouts are tending to be in white ethnic areas on the Southwest and Northwest sides, ...


But the mail ballots are coming from a different direction. So far, the heaviest totals are in House Speaker Mike Madigan’s 13th Ward and along North Side lakefront and near-lakefront wards, including the 2nd, 42nd, 44th and 47th, some but not all of which have good contests for alderman.
If that pattern holds up, and lots of votes from those areas show up in the mail over the next two weeks, it could make the outcome extremely unpredictable.


Best advice: Expect a close and maybe very long night.
If you have problems voting, the board has a voter hotline at 312-269-7870.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 9:45 PM
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We need to focus on the economy not creating programs that spend money we don't have. I voted for Daley. He wants to get rid of 35 aldermen which is the best proposal out there.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 10:23 PM
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Pretty much everyone I know voted for Daley or Lightfoot. The only people I know who voted Taxwinkle work on her campaign and are long time Crook County Democratic machine people.

I went for Daley, but only because I'm concerned Lightfoot has so much momentum we might end up with Lightfoot vs Preckwinkle. I'm realllly hoping for Daley vs Preckwinkle.

Good news is that today has been kinda shitty and cold with intermittent snow. That will hopefully deter lazy young millenials who have been drinking the "Democratic socialist" kool aid from showing up to vote for Taxy Preckwinkle and Comrade Ramirez Rosa. I'm actually planning on showing up at Yu-Dietrich's victory party if Rosa goes down in flames, should be an excellent party.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 10:33 PM
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Turnout is supposedly awful, maybe the lowest ever. Age 65+ my have more votes than all the 65 less combined reportedly.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 10:45 PM
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Yea, where I usually vote on the northwest side there's always a line on the early voting on the weekend before, but there were barely any people there Sunday afternoon. It was all 65+ people too.
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Old Posted Feb 26, 2019, 10:54 PM
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Yeah there was no line (unlike in November) at my polling place either (Ward 3, Precinct 32). I was #65 (I went in just after 9 am). It helps that the ballot was very short though... it took fucking forever to fill out the ballot in November with all the ballot questions and judges and shit.
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