Metro Vancouver Transit Discussion - Page 830

Hooknose · #**16581** Posted **Mar 24, 2017, 7:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by teriyaki

So what about that underdog third party.With the name being Green, they must have some agenda that supports expansion of public transit and building a more sustainable infrastructure?

Rapid transit is the one theme that I can work with the "lefties" on. The problem with them both is that they simply have no sense of economics.

They both believe that when the government wants something, it just snaps its fingers and all reality can be suspended. Economically, this idea is brain dead.

Christi has run a balanced budget for 5 years (just look at Alberta and the Federal government now ). Her one great wart is her orientation to and love of fossil fuel burning cars.

The Port Mann is nice and so would a new Deas Island ... but not at the expense of a full RR transit system.

dpogue · #**16582** Posted **Mar 24, 2017, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by jsbertram

My reading of this is Ottawa: 40%; Victoria: 33%; leaving Translink & metro cities to come up with the remaining 27%

The re-announced 40% from Ottawa (up from 33%) means that Translink & metro cities have a smaller slice of the pie they need to fund (27% - down from 33%), which may be easier for them to do.

If the $2.2 Billion from Ottawa is 40% of the total, then the entire pot of money can be estimated to be $5.5 Billion. Victoria's 1/3 portion of the pot would be around $1.815 Billion, so Translink & metro cities need to find the remaining $1.485 Billion.

In the first federal budget, Ottawa was covering 50% of the total for projects, so the TransLink/metro portion would only have to be 17%. They were still struggling to find a way to cover that 17% and now they're on the hook for an additional 10% on top of that.

Pinion · #**16583** Posted **Mar 24, 2017, 7:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by Hooknose

Rapid transit is the one theme that I can work with the "lefties" on. The problem with them both is that they simply have no sense of economics.

They both believe that when the government wants something, it just snaps its fingers and all reality can be suspended. Economically, this idea is brain dead.

Christi has run a balanced budget for 5 years (just look at Alberta and the Federal government now ). Her one great wart is her orientation to and love of fossil fuel burning cars.

The Port Mann is nice and so would a new Deas Island ... but not at the expense of a full RR transit system.

Shouldn't a "rightie" understand the economic importance of better road infrastructure (ie Massey bridge) for Deltaport and north/south port traffic?

Rico · #**16584** Posted **Mar 25, 2017, 2:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Pinion

Shouldn't a "rightie" understand the economic importance of better road infrastructure (ie Massey bridge) for Deltaport and north/south port traffic?

I would hope that any government (right or left) would do a real business case. A ten lane bidge is clearly a massive waste of money. It is irrefutable that the same result could be achieved for way less money either through behaviour modification (toll the tunnel and watch the traffic disappear, 24hr port operations ect.) or by adding another tube to the tunnel.

Hooknose · #**16585** Posted **Mar 25, 2017, 3:59 AM**

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Originally Posted by Pinion

Shouldn't a "rightie" understand the economic importance of better road infrastructure (ie Massey bridge) for Deltaport and north/south port traffic?

Of course, there is a strong shift of industrial from north of the North Arm of the Fraser to South of the South Arm. That is going to need a lot of roadwork especially one thing .. a freeway connection between the 1 and the 99.

All the east bound traffic (east as in eastern Canada) must take an hour to traverse slow roads until they hit the 1.

I will bet a lot of truckers prefer to head south, drive right across the USA and nip back into Canada at Ontario.

My comment was about Christi. She seems to have a bug about rapid transit. That referendum was a political ploy. She knew it would fail. Christi loves the highways and the cars. Her actions speak loudly about her dislike of rapid transit.

RR versus freeways is not an economic issue. It is an issue of preference. The sad thing is that if you like RR, you may have to accept the disastrous economics policies that come with those parties that like it as well.

A 3.5 billion bridge (and counting) is not a traffic solution. It simply cleans up one bottleneck and passes it 8 miles up the road to the Oak street bridge.

Economics have nothing to do with that. Just bad judgment.

Other than that, she is doing a marvelous job.

dpogue · #**16586** Posted **Mar 25, 2017, 4:23 AM**

Some upcoming construction projects over the next 5 years (as per an ITP posted on TransLink's website):

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2017 — Burnaby Transit Centre South Bus Wash Replacement.
2017 — Burnaby Transit Centre North Storage Tent Replacement.
2017 — Burnaby Transit Centre North Building Extension to Support 60ft Buses.
2017 — Burnaby Transit Centre South Garage Roof Replacement.
2017 — Burnaby Transit Centre North Garage Replacement Construction.
2017 — Escalator Replacements. Expo.
2017 — Metrotown Loop Upgrade.
2017 — Elevator/Escalator Replacements Seabus.
2017 — Lonsdale Quay bus loop and Seabus terminal upgrade.
2017 — Seismic Upgrade South Seabus and Skywalk.
2018 — Edmonds Operations and Maintenance Centre Capacity Upgrades.
2018 — Burnaby Transit Centre South Seismic Upgrade.
2018 — Burnaby Transit Centre South Tire Shop Extension with 3-post Hoist.
2018 — Operations and Maintenance Centre 1 & 2 space optimization/modernization.
2019 — Highbury and Hastings Rectifier Roof and Envelope.
2019 — Seismic Upgrade of Operations and Maintenance Centre Control Tower.
2020 — Sperling Rectifier Roof and Envelope Construction.
2021 — SeaBus Skywalk Roof, Safety, Ventilation Replacement
2021 — Rectifier Roof and Envelope Southlands.
2021 — Station Refurbishment – West Coast Express
2021 — Richmond Transit Centre Roof Replacement.
2021 — Seismic Upgrade of Operations and Maintenance Centre 1

retro_orange · #**16587** Posted **Mar 25, 2017, 6:24 AM**

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Originally Posted by Hooknose

Other than that, she is doing a marvelous job.

lol, housing turned in to an epic shit-storm under her 'leadership'. There are many connections between her and Stephen Harper's gang including his consulting firm, hiring his former press secretary and hiring one of his advisors as her Chief of staff.

Shes a conservative in Liberal Clothing and we need real progressive people to run this province again. It's a joke. We do have a provincial election coming up so this rant is relevant.

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Harper and Prentice Refugees Find Jobs in Clark Government

BC Liberals running 'witness protection program' for ousted political staff.

Dozens of frightened refugees have been given political asylum by B.C. Premier Christy Clark, after losing all they held dear in their homelands.

But these aren't Syrians or citizens fleeing other beleaguered nations -- they are Conservative staffers from defeated right-wing governments in Ottawa and Alberta who have found a welcoming home with the BC Liberals.

Clark is providing the political equivalent of a witness protection program for political staff who lost their jobs after the Conservative governments of Stephen Harper and former Alberta premier Jim Prentice were rejected by voters.

More:

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2016/03/22/Harper-Prentice-Refugees/

Pinion · #**16588** Posted **Mar 25, 2017, 6:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by retro_orange

Shes a conservative in Liberal Clothing

They really need to be forced to change their party name. I'm seeing more and more younger Vancouverites who don't know what happened in the 80s and think they're the same as the federal Liberals.

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Originally Posted by Rico

I would hope that any government (right or left) would do a real business case. A ten lane bidge is clearly a massive waste of money. It is irrefutable that the same result could be achieved for way less money either through behaviour modification (toll the tunnel and watch the traffic disappear, 24hr port operations ect.) or by adding another tube to the tunnel.

Ugh. See the endless arguments on the Massey thread for my opinion on this.

Mac Write · #**16589** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 6:50 PM**

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All Richmond Canada Line trains Suspended due to Traffic Accident

From the Transit Police app. This is not good. Skytrain+Traffic accident is not something we need. this will help the LRT side.

Anyone know whats going on exactly?

More info (as I suspected)

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Due to a car hitting a guideway pillar, no train service past bridgeport station until further notice

This is really bad for Pro Skytrain.

cganuelas1995 · #**16590** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 7:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by mac write

from the transit police app. This is not good. Skytrain+traffic accident is not something we need. This will help the lrt side.

Anyone know whats going on exactly?

More info (as i suspected)

this is really bad for pro skytrain.

noooooooooo. I have to go to work today!!!!

xd_1771 · #**16591** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 7:22 PM**

Well, it depends, really. First of all I'm curious who actually made the call to shut-down the entire service. My guess is that it would be ProTrans BC, and they have every right to do so, although I also believe that this was the wrong call. Since, based on the picture I've seen of the incident (https://www.facebook.com/VCBuzz/posts/16...mment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D) it's highly unlikely that the guideway pillar actually did sustain any structural damage. Engineering accounts for this, a sedan really shouldn't do anything to the guideway.

EDIT: Aaaand, Canada Line is resuming normal service already...

TransitJack · #**16592** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 7:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by xd_1771

Well, it depends, really. First of all I'm curious who actually made the call to shut-down the entire service. My guess is that it would be ProTrans BC, and they have every right to do so, although I also believe that this was the wrong call. Since, based on the picture I've seen of the incident (https://www.facebook.com/VCBuzz/posts/16...mment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D) it's highly unlikely that the guideway pillar actually did sustain any structural damage. Engineering accounts for this, a sedan really shouldn't do anything to the guideway.

EDIT: Aaaand, Canada Line is resuming normal service already...

I think to judge the situation from a picture after the fact is hardly the correct assessment process we would expect the operator to take.

Incident occurs, service suspended, professional assessment in person, then resume service.

Though I agree that the car wouldn't be enough to bring down the pillar, or cause any structural damage, it still does't negate "due diligence" to ensure safety.

cganuelas1995 · #**16593** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 8:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by TransitJack

I think to judge the situation from a picture after the fact is hardly the correct assessment process we would expect the operator to take.

Incident occurs, service suspended, professional assessment in person, then resume service.

Though I agree that the car wouldn't be enough to bring down the pillar, or cause any structural damage, it still does't negate "due diligence" to ensure safety.

Yeah it would be terrible for PR is they were like "yeah it's still standing, keep it going".

GlassCity · #**16594** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 8:17 PM**

Didn't Trudeau pledge to cover 50% of transit project funding in his campaign? Why is it only 40% in the budget?

Migrant_Coconut · #**16595** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 8:49 PM**

The bigger question, I believe, is "how the hell do you crash into the Lansdowne guideway in the first place?!?"

Seriously, you'd have to lose control enough to jump the curb, then skid through 10-20 metres of sidewalk and plants before you even reach the pillar. (sigh) Richmond drivers...

Pinion · #**16596** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 10:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Mac Write

From the Transit Police app. This is not good. Skytrain+Traffic accident is not something we need. this will help the LRT side.

Anyone know whats going on exactly?

This is really bad for Pro Skytrain.

What? How does a traffic accident help improve the support for a train system that's much more susceptible to traffic accidents (LRT)?

libtard · #**16597** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 10:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

The bigger question, I believe, is "how the hell do you crash into the Lansdowne guideway in the first place?!?"

Seriously, you'd have to lose control enough to jump the curb, then skid through 10-20 metres of sidewalk and plants before you even reach the pillar. (sigh) Richmond drivers...

It wasn't at Landsdowne did you even look at the picture?

xd_1771 · #**16598** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 10:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by Pinion

What? How does a traffic accident help improve the support for a train system that's much more susceptible to traffic accidents (LRT)?

It's tempting to say that just because a crash into a SkyTrain pillar necessitated a closure, that it invalidates one of the strong points raised against LRT that being at-grade (and on-street), it will be prone to closures due to accidents.

However, the difference is that whereas today's closure on the Canada Line (which lasted less than an hour) was done as a precautionary measure, closures on at-grade lines are the consequence of a design choice that is irreversible.

Edmonton's Capital Line LRT suffered a 4-hour+ closure on a segment because of a 3-car accident that blocked LRT tracks. Just today. http://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-ne...collision-at-lrt-crossing-near-66-street

Reecemartin · #**16599** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 10:17 PM**

I'm probably one of the least anti LRT people on this forum (the wording is purposeful), I think any argument on Skytrain based on this suggests much bigger problems ie. Dwindling common sense...

Migrant_Coconut · #**16600** Posted **Mar 26, 2017, 10:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by libtard

It wasn't at Landsdowne did you even look at the picture?

Did you read the article?

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/canada-li...le-crashes-into-elevated-guideway-pillar

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According to Transit Police, all Richmond trains are suspended after a vehicle struck an elevated guideway pillar between Lansdowne Station and Richmond-Brighouse Station. The incident occurred just before 11:30 am.