Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[Biff]

^^^I was going to say...I like the reuse of a building as much as the next guy, but it seems like they are trying way to hard to re-purpose a single use structure into something other than a sports complex. Old Maple Leaf Gardens works but there is still a sports-stadia theme involved.

Sounds like it would essentially demolish everything about the structure except the circular exterior and roof. Why not just demolish and start new?

[WhipperSnapper]

Just the shell was kept for Maple Leaf Gardens too. The difference is it was develop into high end retail instead of non market housing with private money. Northlands will be looking towards the city to foot the bill.

An interesting conversion is two fold. First. Taking a building like a stadium and converting it to residential. Second. Is retaining as much of the original structure as possible. I don't see that here either. This is just a sales pitch.

[240glt]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

Just the shell was kept for Maple Leaf Gardens too. The difference is it was develop into high end retail instead of non market housing with private money. Northlands will be looking towards the city to foot the bill.

An interesting conversion is two fold. First. Taking a building like a stadium and converting it to residential. Second. Is retaining as much of the original structure as possible. I don't see that here either. This is just a sales pitch.

Norhlands has no part in this. Northlands is effectively dead

The proposal says it’s a mixture of market apartments, seniors housing and apartments for students, retail and ammenities. A grocery is needed in the area since the Safeway further east shut down with a covenant on the property excluding other grocery uses

I like it, even though the re-purposing of the building seems a little far fetched

The problem in Edmonton is we’ve got all these major re-developments proposed and most of them are going nowhere

[J.OT13]

We have three storied NHL buildings in Canada. Maple Leaf Garden is one, and was worth saving for the spectacular architecture alone, but the Montreal Forum was stripped of all of its original grandeur in the 60s and was completely transformed after the Habs left. Rexall's value is similar to the Forum. It can be re-purposed, possibly saved for its hockey history, but it won't be the same building.

[Coldrsx]

@ianoyeg

[SteelTown]

City and Ticats reach tentative settlement in Tim Hortons Field stadium lawsuit
The lawsuit stems from construction delays and ongoing problems with the stadium after it opened.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilt...city-1.4667955

The Hamilton Tiger-Cats have tentatively settled a lawsuit with the province and city over Tim Hortons Field Stadium over who should pay the team damages for construction delays and months of problems with the stadium after it opened.

CBC News learned Thursday that the team has settled its two-year, multimillion-dollar legal dispute with the city, Infrastructure Ontario, the 2015 Toronto Pan Am organizing committee and the consortium that built the stadium.

Details of the settlement were not revealed.

It's considered tentative, city hall sources say, because while the essential issues have been resolved, the remaining sticking point is how the settlement will be conveyed to the public in the coming days.

The Ticats sued after the stadium opened months late in 2014, forcing the team to play elsewhere for part of the season. The stadium has been fraught with malfunctions since then, and the city is still doing repairs.

Infrastructure Ontario oversaw the stadium construction, and hired the Ontario Sports Solutions consortium to build it. The city only took ownership when construction was substantially complete.

The city and Infrastructure Ontario all filed their own court actions in 2016. The city's claim asked for $35 million in damages for breach of contract, negligence and misrepresentation when it came to the planning, procurement, design, construction, project management and other aspects of the stadium. Of that, $14 million in damage awards would be passed on to the Ticats.

A settlement would be good news for local soccer fans, who have wanted to see a professional soccer team at the stadium for years. In the fall, city council swore off soccer talks with the Ticats until the lawsuit was settled.

The Ticats signed a stadium lease with the city in 2014, and that included a one-year rights for a pro soccer team. Last May, Ticats owner Bob Young announced that Hamilton would be a founding city for the new Canadian Premier League (CPL).

In September, someone filed trademarks for the Hamilton Steelers and Hamilton United. The proposed league is a Tier 1 FIFA-sanctioned league.

CBC is pursuing comment from the city and the Ticats.

[MonctonRad]

The new events centre in downtown Moncton is getting closer and closer to opening day. The first concerts will be in early September, with the Moncton Wildcats season opener in the last week of September.

Seating for hockey - 8,800
Seating for basketball - 9,500
Seating for concerts - 10,000

Here is a recent photo.


Andre Audet Photography

Finishing work is still ongoing on the plaza in front. This includes a refrigerated outdoor skating oval which also doubles as a spectator area for an outdoor stage (visible on the left of the image above). Also, construction on a brand new Hyatt hotel will begin next month just across the street.

[esquire]

^ Very nice looking rink.

I wonder if we could see something like that go up in Regina in the near future? Regina currently has a 6,500 seat rink in the western end of town, basically a renovated and slightly expanded 1970s WHL arena. Something like the Moncton venue but maybe a bit bigger, with around 10 to 11 thousand seats, would be a great asset for the downtown area there.

[davidivivid]

Amphithéâtre d'Edmundston / Centre Jean-Daigle by ABCP architecture from Quebec City. Pics by Stéphane Groleau Architectural Photographer.


https://www.facebook.com/Stephane.Gr....Photographer/

[JHikka]

Great exterior with a disappointing interior. Looks like they set up a hockey rink and some temp seats inside a warehouse.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by esquire

^ Very nice looking rink.

I wonder if we could see something like that go up in Regina in the near future? Regina currently has a 6,500 seat rink in the western end of town, basically a renovated and slightly expanded 1970s WHL arena. Something like the Moncton venue but maybe a bit bigger, with around 10 to 11 thousand seats, would be a great asset for the downtown area there.

"Western" end of town... It's pretty much downtown/central, it's about a 10-15 minute walk from the core.

There have been rumblings about a new arena jn the old railyards just North of downtown, but that's all there's been so far; nothing at all concrete.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Nathan

"Western" end of town... It's pretty much downtown/central, it's about a 10-15 minute walk from the core.

There have been rumblings about a new arena jn the old railyards just North of downtown, but that's all there's been so far; nothing at all concrete.

It's also right next to New Mosaic, is it not?

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's also right next to New Mosaic, is it not?

Correct. It's on the exhibition grounds where there is also a 6-rink complex, an indoor soccer facility, a convention centre, and a new "international trade centre" space.

[esquire]

According to Google Maps, Brandt Centre is about a 30 minute walk from downtown Regina. It's certainly accessible from downtown, but it's clearly not a downtown arena.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by esquire

According to Google Maps, Brandt Centre is about a 30 minute walk from downtown Regina. It's certainly accessible from downtown, but it's clearly not a downtown arena.

I walk from downtown to Mosaic every Rider game. I can tell you it definitely doesn't take 30 mins; the route Google tells you to take adds unnecessary distance and also goes from the centre of downtown. Cutting the erroneous "pathway" directions and going from the edge of downtown, you'd be closer to the 15 mins I mentioned. I agree it's not right "downtown", but it's definitely a central arena.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I walk from downtown to Mosaic every Rider game. I can tell you it definitely doesn't take 30 mins; the route Google tells you to take adds unnecessary distance and also goes from the centre of downtown. Cutting the erroneous "pathway" directions and going from the edge of downtown, you'd be closer to the 15 mins I mentioned. I agree it's not right "downtown", but it's definitely a central arena.

It's kind of like Lansdowne relative to downtown Ottawa, though Ottawa is built differently than Regina.

[Nathan]

Originally Posted by Acajack

It's kind of like Lansdowne relative to downtown Ottawa, though Ottawa is built differently than Regina.

I'm not sure where the defined downtown area ends in Ottawa, but the distance would be similar to walking from the TransCanada/417 Highway to Lansdowne.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I'm not sure where the defined downtown area ends in Ottawa, but the distance would be similar to walking from the TransCanada/417 Highway to Lansdowne.

So Brandt/Mosaic is even closer to downtown than I imagined.

I've walked from roughly around Parliament Hill to Lansdowne. It's really not that bad if the weather is reasonably nice.

[esquire]

^ Lansdowne feels like it's in a very urban area. By contrast, Brandt Centre in no way feels downtown. The walking connections are not ideal and I would imagine few walk from downtown to Brandt Centre by choice, especially during the winter (check it out on Street View if you have any doubts). It may be reasonably convenient to downtown, but it's by no means a downtown arena.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by Nathan

I'm not sure where the defined downtown area ends in Ottawa, but the distance would be similar to walking from the TransCanada/417 Highway to Lansdowne.

417 to Lansdowne is a 15 minute walk down Bank.

Lansdowne isn't downtown but it is very urban.