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Old Posted Mar 3, 2014, 10:24 PM
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Has anyone been past 15th & Walnut lately? Are the buildings down? 2021 Chestnut is almost completley gone.

Any word on construction timeline for the new W Hotel or 1919 Market? Those seem to be the next two potential projects to break ground, although have been oddly quiet - FMC and Comcast are not supposed to happen until summer.
The buildings on 15th and Walnut are not down as of yet. They are gutted, and partially demoed, but the structure and foundation are still upright

I think FMC and Comcast will break ground before W and 1919. Those projects are still "proceeding."
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Has anyone been past 15th & Walnut lately? Are the buildings down? 2021 Chestnut is almost completley gone.

Any word on construction timeline for the new W Hotel or 1919 Market? Those seem to be the next two potential projects to break ground, although have been oddly quiet - FMC and Comcast are not supposed to happen until summer.
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The buildings on 15th and Walnut are not down as of yet. They are gutted, and partially demoed, but the structure and foundation are still upright

I think FMC and Comcast will break ground before W and 1919. Those projects are still "proceeding."
Developer for W Hotel claims April or May groundbreaking. Brandywine claims 1919 Market will break ground "soon" but now they are seriously considering adding office space to the tower. FMC they're expecting to break ground by May. Comcast is expecting to break ground in June.
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Brandywine claims 1919 Market will break ground "soon" but now they are seriously considering adding office space to the tower.
And height?
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And height?
Depends on how many floors and if any. Just 10 floors of office space added would put the height over 500 feet.
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Depends on how many floors and if any. Just 10 floors of office space added would put the height over 500 feet.
To me, 500 feet should be the minimum for that location. They will regret the size of this building in the future.
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To me, 500 feet should be the minimum for that location. They will regret the size of this building in the future.
Agreed, If it is feasible. I know you weren't saying this but imagine if they codified your 500 ft. Minimum into law. Chances are the building wouldn't be built. Sort of like a $50 minimum wage.
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To me, 500 feet should be the minimum for that location. They will regret the size of this building in the future.
Hopefully they redesign the whole project now.
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Agreed, If it is feasible. I know you weren't saying this but imagine if they codified your 500 ft. Minimum into law. Chances are the building wouldn't be built. Sort of like a $50 minimum wage.
I think it is important to remember the current rendering was from before the Comcast announcement. I would have to imagine the expected demand in the area is significantly higher now then it was before the Comcast announcement. Apparently Brandywine is betting that the Comcast news is an indicator of further office demand and is not worried about the office space that FMC and Comcast are going to be releasing back onto the market. I would have expected them to add apartment units so I am somewhat surprised that it is office space they are thinking of adding.
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And height?
Just a personal view but I always thought 1919 should be 100ft. taller than the
blue cross tower ..... Now That would be significant . Not likely , but significant .
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Nutter makes a deal to sell PGW for $1.86 billion, with a lot of benefit going into the city's pension fund.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-03/bu...mers-philadelphia-gas-works-city-council

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think it will pass through council? Good move or bad move? It's an interesting thought, especially if you consider this other article that speculate Philly could become "silicon valley of energy," which is probably an overstatement... still, many of you know more than I do about all this.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelkranc...ails-the-sale-of-philadelphia-gas-works/
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2014, 7:26 PM
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Nutter makes a deal to sell PGW for $1.86 billion, with a lot of benefit going into the city's pension fund.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-03/bu...mers-philadelphia-gas-works-city-council

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think it will pass through council? Good move or bad move? It's an interesting thought, especially if you consider this other article that speculate Philly could become "silicon valley of energy," which is probably an overstatement... still, many of you know more than I do about all this.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelkranc...ails-the-sale-of-philadelphia-gas-works/
Depends. Most likely this will be a wash. Usually when a state(city)-owned company goes private, consumers and taxpayers reap huge benefits in the long term (private companies have profit motive, therefore an incentive to reduce costs/capture efficiencies, proven by numerable economic studies). However, in order for this to pass council there will be TONS of conditions precedent to privatization. E.g., labor wages, benefits, rate fixes, contractors, and I can go on ad infinitum. In effect, I believe the city will still be in de facto control over the company, or else this will likely not pass council.
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Nutter makes a deal to sell PGW for $1.86 billion, with a lot of benefit going into the city's pension fund.

http://articles.philly.com/2014-03-03/bu...mers-philadelphia-gas-works-city-council

I'm curious, what are your thoughts on this? Do you think it will pass through council? Good move or bad move? It's an interesting thought, especially if you consider this other article that speculate Philly could become "silicon valley of energy," which is probably an overstatement... still, many of you know more than I do about all this.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelkranc...ails-the-sale-of-philadelphia-gas-works/

Rates will go up and they will go up noticeably. One of the reasons that the utility was put up for sale was because the Council has a say in setting rates and the Councilpeople wouldn't raise the rates to the level needed to pay for maintenance and upgrades because everything is about the now and they couldn't stand to have to tell their constituents they voted for a rate increase. In order for the utility to continue to function it needed to raise rates to pay for basic upgrades. A private company will have the ability to set rates outside the vote of council. We should expect rate increases but also and increased level of investment (with the rate money!) to do long needed repairs and maintenance.
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Rates will go up and they will go up noticeably. One of the reasons that the utility was put up for sale was because the Council has a say in setting rates and the Councilpeople wouldn't raise the rates to the level needed to pay for maintenance and upgrades because everything is about the now and they couldn't stand to have to tell their constituents they voted for a rate increase. In order for the utility to continue to function it needed to raise rates to pay for basic upgrades. A private company will have the ability to set rates outside the vote of council. We should expect rate increases but also and increased level of investment (with the rate money!) to do long needed repairs and maintenance.
Yes, agree with everything here. I will incorporate this into what I said. But I would also add that long term rates will tend to come down (barring other externalities). That infusion of capital for repairs and maintenance will also increase efficiency. I am only worried that there will be so many conditions in this whole process that we will see the initial rate hikes with no benefits long-term.
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2014, 8:12 PM
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Yes, agree with everything here. I will incorporate this into what I said. But I would also add that long term rates will tend to come down (barring other externalities). That infusion of capital for repairs and maintenance will also increase efficiency. I am only worried that there will be so many conditions in this whole process that we will see the initial rate hikes with no benefits long-term.
I agree. I hope the sale is managed well. The bidding seems to have been managed well so far but I'm not an expert. In the Philadelphia area we've enjoyed some of the lowest energy rates around for quite some time and a lot of that was due to excellent management by PGW. I think the sale of parking in Chicago and the clusterf**k that resulted from that has made cities more careful and responsible in the sale of their assets. Once sold it's gone for good so I'd like to see the city get its value out of it. If conditions are set right there will be a long term profit ceiling that will keep rates reasonable in the future.

It's a shame that the money will go into the pensions, I think, because this is a once in a lifetime amount of money the city could spend on something phenomenal (mass transit in my view, or possibly water infrastructure upgrades) that would continue to return on investment for a long time. But I guess the pensions are pretty effed and correcting that issue could be used to stabilize city finances over the long term which might also lead to economic benefit. People will flip their lids when they see the rates increasing immediately after the sale but people don't know that the rates would have to be raised anyway if the city was going to continue (responsibly) managing the utility. Council will get exactly what it wants which is retirement money for DROP and somebody else to blame for rate hikes.
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Broad & Washington

I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I just came across plans for the retail complex at Broad and Washington and figured I would share:

http://s.lnimg.com/attachments/8/D/6/8D6B11A0-06CB-470E-A079-60AFBCA7499B.pdf

I'm no expert on this but I was expecting at least a little more height on this in the form of apartments for greater density/more potential customers.
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I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I just came across plans for the retail complex at Broad and Washington and figured I would share:

http://s.lnimg.com/attachments/8/D/6/8D6B11A0-06CB-470E-A079-60AFBCA7499B.pdf

I'm no expert on this but I was expecting at least a little more height on this in the form of apartments for greater density/more potential customers.
I say let this be the new gallery, tear down the old one and start making market east look like market west.
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I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I just came across plans for the retail complex at Broad and Washington and figured I would share:

http://s.lnimg.com/attachments/8/D/6/8D6B11A0-06CB-470E-A079-60AFBCA7499B.pdf
Ugh.
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Ugh.
Ugh is right. Metro Commercial has no problem holding on to empty storefronts for years at a time (Murano, anyone?)
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Old Posted Mar 4, 2014, 10:18 PM
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Double ugh - is the best Bart could come up with - the Pathmark with a pool is far better...
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I'm not sure if anyone has posted this yet, but I just came across plans for the retail complex at Broad and Washington and figured I would share:

http://s.lnimg.com/attachments/8/D/6/8D6B11A0-06CB-470E-A079-60AFBCA7499B.pdf

I'm no expert on this but I was expecting at least a little more height on this in the form of apartments for greater density/more potential customers.
Pitiful. I hope this proposal dies a painful death. I mean, surface parking in the back? Really????
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