ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[Hot_Pepper]

thats right, all that buiding needs is love, no building is horrible, only in the eyes of the beholder, there is always value somewhere.

[ATL_J]

Originally Posted by Hot_Pepper

thats right, all that buiding needs is love, no building is horrible, only in the eyes of the beholder, there is always value somewhere.

The building itself isn't horrible, but it's failing apart, most of the windows are broken out of it, a lot of the exposed metal is rusted, and it's street front is boarded up, wrapped in fence, and/or falling apart.

I really wish they would just let the advertising stay, I think it looks a lot better than a dilapidated building.

Is the building too rundown to renovated or would it have to be a tear down?

[boomtown]

College Football Hall of Fame coming to Atlanta
Atlanta Business Chronicle - by J. Scott Trubey Staff Writer
September 22, 2009, 6:34pm

The College Hall of Fame is expected to be built near Centennial Olympic Park, sources told Atlanta Business Chronicle.

The College Football Hall of Fame, long sought after as a crown jewel tourist attraction for the capital of the South, will touchdown in downtown Atlanta, multiple sources have told Atlanta Business Chronicle.
The move would be a tremendous victory for Atlanta, which has coveted the Hall of Fame for almost 15 years, and has actively solicited the National Football Foundation (NFF) to move it here from South Bend, Ind., for nearly two years.
State officials and Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin are expected to officially announce the move from South Bend, Ind., to Atlanta at a Thursday afternoon press conference.
The Atlanta Sports Council confirmed its interest in the college hall in a statement published in the Dec. 14, 2007 issue of Atlanta Business Chronicle. That interest began in 1995 when the college hall moved from its former site near Cincinnati, Ohio, to its current South Bend home.

Officials from the NFF, which owns the Hall of Fame, and officials from the Atlanta Sports Council did not immediately return calls seeking comment. City officials in South Bend, Ind., and with Gov. Sonny Perdue’s office also did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
The NFF has not put out bids on a new college hall, but officials with the foundation have sought to move it, with Atlanta and Dallas being the two likeliest destinations.
A source close to the board said Atlanta was chosen over Dallas because of its civic and business backing and the attractive downtown tourist areas and its many attractions.
Sources familiar with the talks have said Atlanta has been building financial and political support among business interests, seen as key to drawing the college hall to the nexus of SEC and ACC football.
The Atlanta Sports Council has been pitching the site at Centennial Olympic Park formerly eyed for the NASCAR Hall of Fame, which ultimately picked Charlotte, N.C., over the Big Peach.
The Hall of Fame would also be positioned within a few blocks of the Georgia Dome, home of the SEC Championship football game, the Chick-fil-a Bowl and the Chick-fil-a College Football Kickoff game, bringing built in interest to the attraction.

Despite the college hall’s proximity to the University of Notre Dame, it has not lived up to attendance expectations, and the hall has faced growing political pressure. The hall attracts 65,000 people per year, well off projections of 200,000.
Former operator Taft Broadcasting Co shuttered it in 1990. It later latched on to the Pyramid, the former home of the Memphis, Tenn., NBA franchise, before the mixed-use development descended into bankruptcy.
When it moved from its site near Cincinnati to Indiana in 1995, it got a sweetheart deal from South Bend. It was housed in a $15 million facility and the city promised the move would come at no cost to the foundation.

Anchoring the Hall of Fame in Atlanta in close proximity to the Georgia Aquarium, the World of Coke and the future Center for Civil & Human Rights, would cement Centennial Olympic Park as the hub of Atlanta tourism. The park also boasts the Children’s Museum, the National Museum of Patriotism, and will be the future home of the National Health Museum.

In reports as recent as April, officials and developers in Dallas expressed their desire to lure the college hall to downtown the city’s center. The cabal of heavy hitters included Roger Staubach and billionaire T. Boone Pickens.
In 2005, Arlington, Tex., said it would relocate the college hall, but the effort fizzled. Jerry Jones, owner of the NFL’s Dallas Cowboys and a board member of the NFF, was rumored to be involved in an effort to bring the Hall of Fame to an Arlington site near the new $1 billion Cowboys Stadium and the ballpark of Major League Baseball’s Texas Rangers.
Arlington, home to both teams, had hoped to land the college hall inside the massive Glorypark mixed use development surrounding the Rangers’ stadium.
The 1.2 million-square-foot Atlantic Station-style development includes hotels and an entertainment district with retail and restaurants.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by boomtown

College Football Hall of Fame coming to Atlanta
Atlanta Business Chronicle - by J. Scott Trubey Staff Writer
September 22, 2009, 6:34pm

The College Hall of Fame is expected to be built near Centennial Olympic Park, sources told Atlanta Business Chronicle.

The College Football Hall of Fame, long sought after as a crown jewel tourist attraction for the capital of the South, will touchdown in downtown Atlanta, multiple sources have told Atlanta Business Chronicle.
The move would be a tremendous victory for Atlanta, which has coveted the Hall of Fame for almost 15 years, and has actively solicited the National Football Foundation (NFF) to move it here from South Bend, Ind., for nearly two years.
State officials and Atlanta Mayor Shirley Franklin are expected to officially announce the move from South Bend, Ind., to Atlanta at a Thursday afternoon press conference.
The Atlanta Sports Council confirmed its interest in the college hall in a statement published in the Dec. 14, 2007 issue of Atlanta Business Chronicle. That interest began in 1995 when the college hall moved from its former site near Cincinnati, Ohio, to its current South Bend home.

Officials from the NFF, which owns the Hall of Fame, and officials from the Atlanta Sports Council did not immediately return calls seeking comment. City officials in South Bend, Ind., and with Gov. Sonny Perdue’s office also did not immediately return calls seeking comment.
The NFF has not put out bids on a new college hall, but officials with the foundation have sought to move it, with Atlanta and Dallas being the two likeliest destinations.
A source close to the board said Atlanta was chosen over Dallas because of its civic and business backing and the attractive downtown tourist areas and its many attractions.
Sources familiar with the talks have said Atlanta has been building financial and political support among business interests, seen as key to drawing the college hall to the nexus of SEC and ACC football.
The Atlanta Sports Council has been pitching the site at Centennial Olympic Park formerly eyed for the NASCAR Hall of Fame, which ultimately picked Charlotte, N.C., over the Big Peach.
The Hall of Fame would also be positioned within a few blocks of the Georgia Dome, home of the SEC Championship football game, the Chick-fil-a Bowl and the Chick-fil-a College Football Kickoff game, bringing built in interest to the attraction.

Despite the college hall’s proximity to the University of Notre Dame, it has not lived up to attendance expectations, and the hall has faced growing political pressure. The hall attracts 65,000 people per year, well off projections of 200,000.
Former operator Taft Broadcasting Co shuttered it in 1990. It later latched on to the Pyramid, the former home of the Memphis, Tenn., NBA franchise, before the mixed-use development descended into bankruptcy.
When it moved from its site near Cincinnati to Indiana in 1995, it got a sweetheart deal from South Bend. It was housed in a $15 million facility and the city promised the move would come at no cost to the foundation.

Anchoring the Hall of Fame in Atlanta in close proximity to the Georgia Aquarium, the World of Coke and the future Center for Civil & Human Rights, would cement Centennial Olympic Park as the hub of Atlanta tourism. The park also boasts the Children’s Museum, the National Museum of Patriotism, and will be the future home of the National Health Museum.

In reports as recent as April, officials and developers in Dallas expressed their desire to lure the college hall to downtown the city’s center. The cabal of heavy hitters included Roger Staubach and billionaire T. Boone Pickens.
In 2005, Arlington, Tex., said it would relocate the college hall, but the effort fizzled. Jerry Jones, owner of the NFL’s Dallas Cowboys and a board member of the NFF, was rumored to be involved in an effort to bring the Hall of Fame to an Arlington site near the new $1 billion Cowboys Stadium and the ballpark of Major League Baseball’s Texas Rangers.
Arlington, home to both teams, had hoped to land the college hall inside the massive Glorypark mixed use development surrounding the Rangers’ stadium.
The 1.2 million-square-foot Atlantic Station-style development includes hotels and an entertainment district with retail and restaurants.

Woooooohooo!!!!!!

[Newnan_Eric]

Originally Posted by briantech

Woooooohooo!!!!!!

South Bend was paying $1.4M in mortgage payments and an additional $700,000 a year in subsidies for this museum. Let's hope Atlanta cuts a better deal and that the museum is more successful here.

The projections when it moved to South Bend were for 200,000 visitors a year. It was seeing about 65,000 annually. It should do better here, I would think. Heck it'd do better with just people getting lost on their way to the Aquarium.

[ATL_J]

I imagine it will easily exceed the 200,000 visitor mark.

Not only is the city football crazy, but the south in general is football crazy. With the Aquarium, World of Coke, Zoo, Atlanta Braves, Civil Rights Museum, etc. plenty of people in the region will visit the CFB-HOF on a weekend vacation.

Not to mention the fans that come in for the Chick-fil-a Kick-Off Classic, the SEC Championship Game, and the Chick-fil-a (Peach) Bowl. Then throw in visiting fans for Georgia Tech and UGA games and I think it easily will pass the 200,000 visitor mark.

Also, does anyone know where I can find renderings of the proposed Atlanta building? I have seen the renderings for Dallas' building, but I am surprised I haven't seen any for Atlanta. Surely they considered something like this when making a selection.

[shivtim]

I noticed construction workers picketing at the corner of 12th and Peachtree this morning. Presumably 12th&Midtown workers. Anyone heard anything about it?

[briantech]

Originally Posted by shivtim

I noticed construction workers picketing at the corner of 12th and Peachtree this morning. Presumably 12th&Midtown workers. Anyone heard anything about it?

Who cares. Whiny bitches should be glad they have a job at all instead of being out there wasting time and being a public eyesore.

[tech]

Originally Posted by shivtim

I noticed construction workers picketing at the corner of 12th and Peachtree this morning. Presumably 12th&Midtown workers. Anyone heard anything about it?

It may be the same group that was in front of Palomar Hotel a while back, apparently they weren't even construction works, just random people who were paid to picket. Pretty bad when you have to pay someone to picket for your own cause.

12th and Midtown sure is looking good now, with the sidewalk going in, residential pool filled up, and the top of the office building nearly completed.

[Pompuss]

Here is the website Dallas had set up to push support for the college football hall of fame along with some concept renderings. One can get an idea of the scale the building would be.

Website:
http://www.tm.com/haulthehall/

Some Renderings:

[A-town]

Forbes recently ranked Georgia as one of "the best states for business". The articles doesn't go into full detail about us, but it's still a good look for the state!
http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/23/best-states-for-business-beltway-best-states_slide_7.html

[BlueSangha]

Originally Posted by shivtim

I noticed construction workers picketing at the corner of 12th and Peachtree this morning. Presumably 12th&Midtown workers. Anyone heard anything about it?

These guys have been picketing for a couple yrs now-just ignore them.

[micropundit]

The announcement of Atlanta's selection as the latest home of this under appreciated and poorly marketed facility has several impacts on the city's development, some of which have not yet been mentioned in public.

1. Jobs. There will be construction jobs in a time when large scale projects are very scarce in this town but not as much as in others cities. The structure will probably be between 70,000-100,00 square foot and based on those figures, cost about $80-100 million. After viewing the current facility's web site , I leaned that there are several ongoing programs and traveling exhibits that will require a decent staff component.

And then there are the ancillary jobs created by the increased demand for goods and services by the HOF's presence. Hotel; restaurant and other s head that list.

2. Then there is the enhancement of the college football experience that the 2 Chick Fil A sponsered events provide as well as to the Falcons' and their opponents fan base.Plus,the awards ceremonies for the Bowls, the Kick -Off Classic as well as the SEC Championship game will now have a new, historically significant location as well.

3. However ,the really important impact could be the necessary infra structure improvements to the Centennial Olympic Park (COP) area that could be payed for by Federal stimulus funds that will leverage the private funds expended by the Chic Fil A Foundation and others. New sidewalks; street furniture as well as increased emphasis on public safety for this and the other atractions either present or prospective, will cause a mini boom. But the best part could be that in order to elevate the Peach bowl into BCS status, a new facility must be built, one that include the Falcons who have a huge interest in a new facility but one where they get to keep more of the revenue generated.

After seeing "JerryWorld" in operstion, the Falcon brain trust is going into defcon 3. With new leadership coming on board at the State level, now is a time to plan comprehensively for the future development of the South's prime convention and tourist district. And the College Football HOF may be just the catalyst to make it happen.

[popewiz]

Originally Posted by briantech

Who cares. Whiny bitches should be glad they have a job at all instead of being out there wasting time and being a public eyesore.

Yeah, you're right, it's not important that their employer may be violating a portion of their contract/collective bargaining agreement.

It's really unfortunate that people like yourself could care less about the details, it always has to be black or white. If there's people out there picketing and they're part of a union, well than they're probably lazy, worthless idiots, right? Grow up and learn that things aren't always black and white, there are indeed shades of gray.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by popewiz

Yeah, you're right, it's not important that their employer may be violating a portion of their contract/collective bargaining agreement.

It's really unfortunate that people like yourself could care less about the details, it always has to be black or white. If there's people out there picketing and they're part of a union, well than they're probably lazy, worthless idiots, right? Grow up and learn that things aren't always black and white, there are indeed shades of gray.

Yeah the people who are actually standing there picketing are clearly homeless most of the time. And you're gonna tell me about shades of gray, ok

[johnandahalf]

Originally Posted by popewiz

Yeah, you're right, it's not important that their employer may be violating a portion of their contract/collective bargaining agreement.

No! When someone steals something from you (like a job or benefits), you're supposed to just shut up and stay home. If you stand up for your rights, someone could call you a whiny bitch.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by micropundit

The announcement of Atlanta's selection as the latest home of this under appreciated and poorly marketed facility has several impacts on the city's development, some of which have not yet been mentioned in public.

1. Jobs. There will be construction jobs in a time when large scale projects are very scarce in this town but not as much as in others cities. The structure will probably be between 70,000-100,00 square foot and based on those figures, cost about $80-100 million. After viewing the current facility's web site , I leaned that there are several ongoing programs and traveling exhibits that will require a decent staff component.

And then there are the ancillary jobs created by the increased demand for goods and services by the HOF's presence. Hotel; restaurant and other s head that list.

2. Then there is the enhancement of the college football experience that the 2 Chick Fil A sponsered events provide as well as to the Falcons' and their opponents fan base.Plus,the awards ceremonies for the Bowls, the Kick -Off Classic as well as the SEC Championship game will now have a new, historically significant location as well.

3. However ,the really important impact could be the necessary infra structure improvements to the Centennial Olympic Park (COP) area that could be payed for by Federal stimulus funds that will leverage the private funds expended by the Chic Fil A Foundation and others. New sidewalks; street furniture as well as increased emphasis on public safety for this and the other atractions either present or prospective, will cause a mini boom. But the best part could be that in order to elevate the Peach bowl into BCS status, a new facility must be built, one that include the Falcons who have a huge interest in a new facility but one where they get to keep more of the revenue generated.

After seeing "JerryWorld" in operstion, the Falcon brain trust is going into defcon 3. With new leadership coming on board at the State level, now is a time to plan comprehensively for the future development of the South's prime convention and tourist district. And the College Football HOF may be just the catalyst to make it happen.

If it's going to be built where I think it is (Pemberton place, corner of ivan allen and techwood) ... they're gonna have to do something about that homeless shelter. Granted, that one I believe is about the nicest and cleanest one in the city, but you can't really have an area "explode" with safe, pedestrian populations if you've got a magnet for panhandlers across the street.

[briantech]

Originally Posted by johnandahalf

No! When someone steals something from you (like a job or benefits), you're supposed to just shut up and stay home. If you stand up for your rights, someone could call you a whiny bitch.

Is anyone forcing them to do that job? If my employer treated me wrongly, guess what I'd do?

I'd find a new fucking job. No one is forcing them to work for that employer, hell no one is even forcing them to work in that industry. Whatever happened to personal responsibility in this country?

Oh wahhhh my job isn't going so great. So I'm gonna go picket out in front of a damn hotel and make life hard for the people working there just trying to do their jobs, and make it hard for visitors and hotel patrons to just get into their room? Yeah great, really looks good for atlanta.

[johnandahalf]

Do you know why they're picketing?

[briantech]

Originally Posted by johnandahalf

Do you know why they're picketing?

Do I know the real reason? No. Have I read their little flyer? Some of them, at some point I stopped reading them when people shove them in my hands.