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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 8:00 PM
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No one cares anymore Vin, go find another soapbox elsewhere. I hear there's plenty in the DTES
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 8:03 PM
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Over in NewWest:

Geez, Dougs and Karens should just let police do their job without interfering.

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No one cares anymore Vin, go find another soapbox elsewhere. I hear there's plenty in the DTES
Speak for yourself, dear.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 8:23 PM
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If you're from elsewhere in Canada, you'd be shocked to find that this is normal here:

Sorry guys that your memory of Vancouver is nothing but a nightmare, but that's how it's like in Vancouver of late, but many here will still tell you this, "We are very safe!"
In Calgary leaving all your personal effects in a car isn't a great idea either. I guess nobody will ever go to Calgary from Gatineau again? At least the Calgary homeless can be heroes!
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If you're from elsewhere in Canada, you'd be shocked to find that this is normal here:

Sorry guys that your memory of Vancouver is nothing but a nightmare, but that's how it's like in Vancouver of late, but many here will still tell you this, "We are very safe!"
Sorry, but who leaves valuables (especially cash!) in any car in this day and age?
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 8:52 PM
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Sorry, but who leaves valuables (especially cash!) in any car in this day and age?
They are from Toronto, so they should be familiar with this.

They also set a GoFundMe for help, but at double ($50k) the estimate of what they lost. Could be a giant grift.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 9:39 PM
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Geez, Dougs and Karens should just let police do their job without interfering.





Speak for yourself, dear.
Judging by the type or responses you are getting, I appear to be speaking for the vast majority here
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 9:51 PM
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Sorry, but who leaves valuables (especially cash!) in any car in this day and age?
Since they only got married in Calgary, I'm going to assume they're originally from some small town like Lethbridge where it's okay to leave your front door unlocked.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 10:18 PM
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Since they only got married in Calgary, I'm going to assume they're originally from some small town like Lethbridge where it's okay to leave your front door unlocked.
The CTV story doesn't mention Calgary. "The couple is from the Toronto area, but got married in Canmore, Alta."

Also note this wasn't some passing vagrant breaking in: "Six suitcases, backpacks, electronics, and family jewelry were stolen."
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Arrest made in the Fairview attacks. Turns out the scumbag was also responsible for a violent home invasion in Riley Park.

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Posted Aug 25, 2022, 9:53AM PDT.Last Updated Aug 25, 2022, 10:03AM PDT.

A Vancouver man has been charged after a series of stranger attacks in the Fairview neighbourhood, as well as a home invasion last week.

Police say on Aug. 18, a 70-year-old man was under the Cambie Street Bridge, near the False Creek seawall, when he was attacked from behind. He was tackled to the ground, then punched and kicked several times, according to the VPD.

Less than an hour later, a woman was walking her dog in a lane near W. 11th Avenue and Spruce Street, where she was also approached from behind. The 33-year-old was punched in the face.

An hour and a half later, a third attack took place near West Broadway and Alder Street. A 23-year-old woman was stabbed. She was seriously hurt but is expected to survive.

“About 36 hours later, in the early hours of Aug. 20, a 54-year-old woman was attacked inside her Riley Park home following a home invasion. The woman suffered multiple serious and life-threatening injuries that required hospitalization,” the VPD said in a statement.

VPD says Patrol officers arrested a suspect nearby. They believe the same person is behind all four attacks.

Martin Lamb, 21, is charged with two counts of assault, two of aggravated assault, and one of break and enter.(bold mine)


https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/08/25/vancouver-stranger-attacks-home-invasion/

I guess the Riley Park resident should have been "more aware of their surroundings", eh CivicBlues?
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 11:58 PM
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I don't know why you're using your rhetorical questions on me. I've never said any of the victims are to blame for a lack of situational awareness, merely the fact that the vast majority of people who walk around the city are not victims of crime. The only thing you are doing here is fear mongering.
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most locals know not to leave anything in vehicles. My old coworker used to leave his glove box open when he parked to show there was nothing inside to steal as he didn't want to deal with the broken windows.

Once way back in the 90s, my dads car got robbed, my nephews had left one of the back doors unlocked and thieves just opened it and grabbed all the stuff out of the trunk which was just nothing important just a bag of car cleaning stuff and nothing of value but it was all gone.

A guy my BF knew, who had just arrived from South Korea a number of years ago, went to a cafe on Robson Street and left his bag with all his stuff in it, passports, tablet, money etc, and he went to order and came back to the table to find his stuff was all gone. Like Japan, in Korea people will leave their bags sitting on a table to save it while they go and order. He learned the hard way not to do that.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 1:04 AM
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Looks like the Winnipeg visitor who died was directly or indirectly caused by the disorderliness of the DTES. Had he not be bearsprayed by a yahoo there, he would probably be alive today. That's OK, this did not happen to you or me, so conclusion is Vancouver is still very safe!

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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 1:47 AM
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Looks like the Winnipeg visitor who died was directly or indirectly caused by the disorderliness of the DTES. Had he not be bearsprayed by a yahoo there, he would probably be alive today. That's OK, this did not happen to you or me, so conclusion is Vancouver is still very safe!
"The Winnipeg visitor" is the same person you said "Would've still been alive if he were still in jail, or held up to receive more counselling"?
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Also note this wasn't some passing vagrant breaking in: "Six suitcases, backpacks, electronics, and family jewelry were stolen."
Still, you should know better than to leave anything of value visible in your vehicle in any city. However, there are levels to this. For example, I have always known not to leave a phone or laptop or bag in the car, but we were surprised when our windows were smashed for about $5 of quarters and dimes a few months back in the West End.

We are taking a road trip down to LA and SF this fall and the first thing we looked into was whether the hotel and AirBnB we are using have secured parking. And we also bought a cargo box for our roof so we can put stuff in there instead of filling the trunk. And we plan to haul all of our camping gear into the places we are staying so we don't risk theft.
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"The Winnipeg visitor" is the same person you said "Would've still been alive if he were still in jail, or held up to receive more counselling"?
Uh oh. What happens when Vin's compassion for visitors and lust for "locking up the vagrants" collide?
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https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/08/25/vancouver-stranger-attacks-home-invasion/

I guess the Riley Park resident should have been "more aware of their surroundings", eh CivicBlues?

According to Global News and the VPD, the home invasion suspect was "known to the victim"

https://globalnews.ca/news/9085553/vancouver-fairview-assaults-charges/
Not in the article but the video at :33
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 8:27 PM
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"The Winnipeg visitor" is the same person you said "Would've still been alive if he were still in jail, or held up to receive more counselling"?
Speculative on my part in the beginning, but now we know more. Fact is, it still happened in your presumably "safe" neighbourhood, and it certainly is one of the many.
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Tackling homelessness

In the United States, where homelessness is on an even grander scale than in any Canadian city, the situation seems to be at a boiling point, forcing action on the issue.

Here are two articles from the New York Times, which, I hope, might be inspirational in helping address the issue here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/opini...user_id=df9566473e45cfe453c001cdf07ee364 ... the first a global overview


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/opini...user_id=df9566473e45cfe453c001cdf07ee364 ... the second focussing on Seattle
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In the United States, where homelessness is on an even grander scale than in any Canadian city, the situation seems to be at a boiling point, forcing action on the issue.

Here are two articles from the New York Times, which, I hope, might be inspirational in helping address the issue here:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/15/opini...user_id=df9566473e45cfe453c001cdf07ee364 ... the first a global overview


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/opini...user_id=df9566473e45cfe453c001cdf07ee364 ... the second focussing on Seattle
Interesting articles, thanks for sharing.

I wonder what the cost of housing every homeless person in Canada would be (assuming there are available spaces)? And, would removing all or part of the principal residence exemption be sufficient to fund that type of program?
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Bear Sprayed, Chris Amyotte Was in Agony. Then, Shot Dead by Police

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Downtown Eastside residents, a former solicitor general and the family of a man who died after being shot by police with beanbag rounds say they and the wider community need answers to how a victim of a bear spray attack ended up dead on East Hastings Street.

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“He never came at anyone to try to choke anybody or nothing,” Anuroff said. “He had his hands up and he was going ‘aaahhhh!’ — like freaking out.”

Several police cars arrived on the scene and officers ordered Amyotte to stop walking and to get down, said Anuroff and Boss. He didn’t comply and kept walking away from the officers, but Boss said he wasn’t moving quickly — “he was just kind of shuffling,” she said.

“And we said ‘don’t shoot him, don’t shoot him,’” recalled Anuroff.

Officers then fired around five shots, Anuroff said, with some of the beanbag rounds hitting him in the front of his torso and other shots hitting him in the back.

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It’s extremely painful to be the target of a bear mace attack — often people can’t see, breathing might be difficult if they’ve breathed in the spray, and it’s so irritating to the skin that victims often strip off their clothes in an effort to get some relief.

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Anuroff said she believes Amyotte didn’t comply with police orders because he physically could not do what they were asking.

“He doesn’t want to stop, because once you stop you get hot,” Anuroff said.

After seeing the aftermath of over a dozen bear spray attacks, Ribeiro said it would have been almost impossible for someone covered in mace to get down on the ground and lie still. He wants to know if the Vancouver Police Department has a specific policy or training when it comes to responding to people who have been bear sprayed.

“People cannot lie down and comply with orders,” Ribeiro said. “You’re going to be writhing, wiping at your face. You can’t lie on your back.”

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Beanbag rounds are fired from a shotgun, which is usually marked with a fluorescent orange, pink or red barrel. The gun fires a bag filled with small pieces of metal shot which is supposed to hit an assailant but not pierce their body, as a bullet would.

It’s part of the range of “less-lethal” options — including tasers and batons — police have to try to subdue a person who’s a threat to others. But, Heed said, these options are called “less lethal,” not “non-lethal,” because there’s always a chance the targeted person can be hurt, including simply falling and hitting their head.

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There have been incidents where beanbag rounds have penetrated people’s bodies, and they can be especially dangerous if they hit someone’s head.

A review of injuries from beanbag shootings during Black Lives Matter protests in Austin, Texas, in 2020 found that beanbag rounds caused serious head injuries, facial fractures and “penetrating soft tissue injury to chest and breast” when a beanbag round pierced the skin, as well as lacerations and broken bones. In a letter to the editor of The New England Journal of Medicine, doctors who had compiled the list of injuries said beanbag guns should not be used for crowd control.

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“I just think there needs to be a different procedure in place,” said mental health worker Ribeiro about the deadly force that took Amyotte’s life. “It’s such a common incident down there, I’m a little surprised (police) don’t have more awareness about it. Even if they just gave the guy time and let people help him.”

Boss spoke to officers after the shooting, and one of them told her Amyotte had passed away.

She says she told the officers, “‘Yo, can I just say something? Maybe next time, instead of you guys just shooting a man that’s covered in bear spray… and isn’t going fast, maybe you could talk to your peers about having some sort of policy where you don’t shoot.’”

Two hours after Amyotte’s life ended someone had posted, just outside the police tape, a sign printed with a black marker on white poster board.

“VPD killing the community one by one,” it read. “Who’s next?”
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