NEW YORK | 15 Penn Plaza (Hotel Penn) | 1,050 FT / 315 M | 52 FLOORS - Page 82

JMKeynes · #**1621** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 4:22 PM**

This will be a gorgeous tower. Hopefully, Amazon will anchor it.

mrnyc · #**1622** Posted **Sep 1, 2021, 4:50 PM**

^ wouldn't they want to know that before ... aww heckkers, nevermind.

i like the penn station facing street level side a lot.

mschall50 · #**1623** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 4:13 PM**

The design is jarringly unattractive. Please bring in RAMSA or David Chipperfield.

Busy Bee · #**1624** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 4:50 PM**

If built as designed, in 20 years this will age about as well as a Michael Graves building.

NYguy · #**1625** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 4:55 PM**

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Oh you’ve seen the north face already? Please fill us in on the details.

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

There's a rendering already out with a glimpse of the north face, showing glass shafts with the elevator cars and counterweights visible.

Always nice when someone pays attention.

SkyHigher · #**1626** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 9:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

This will be a gorgeous tower. Hopefully, Amazon will anchor it.

Unlikely as they are pledging to go 90% office free by 2026. I think Apple is going to follow suit. Cause climate changes!!

BK1985 · #**1627** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 10:33 PM**

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Always nice when someone pays attention.

I’m totally aware of that corner rendering. Just pointing out that the hysterics of some posters claiming it will be a big concrete wall have gotten out of control considering we haven’t seen it all yet .

Busy Bee · #**1628** Posted **Sep 2, 2021, 11:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by SkyHigher

Unlikely as they are pledging to go 90% office free by 2026. I think Apple is going to follow suit. Cause climate changes!!

What in the world are you talking about?

JMKeynes · #**1629** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 1:38 AM**

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Originally Posted by SkyHigher

Unlikely as they are pledging to go 90% office free by 2026. I think Apple is going to follow suit. Cause climate changes!!

I can't speak for Apple, though I'm fairly sure that you're wrong. You're definitely wrong about Amazon.

Xing Lin · #**1630** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 3:35 AM**

I'd say this would be one of the most loved supertall proposals if it were in the Midtown East district or on Hudson Blvd. It's the proximity to the ESB and the demolition of Hotel Penn that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

jbermingham123 · #**1631** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 4:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

I'd say this would be one of the most loved supertall proposals if it were in the Midtown East district or on Hudson Blvd. It's the proximity to the ESB and the demolition of Hotel Penn that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

damn thats actually a really good point

JMKeynes · #**1632** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 11:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

I'd say this would be one of the most loved supertall proposals if it were in the Midtown East district or on Hudson Blvd. It's the proximity to the ESB and the demolition of Hotel Penn that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

That may be your opinion, and I respect it. However, with respect to the overwhelming majority of others, it's not remotely true. People would be making the unfounded assumptions about the north facade that they're currently making. It's absurd.

Xing Lin · #**1633** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 12:59 PM**

That is fair too. I think the north facade is just a punching bag for criticism right now because of how little we've seen of it and, again, how 15 Penn is in such a volatile area near landmarks for a non-conventional skyscraper design. 350 Park and 343 Madison have offset cores even more likely to be full concrete shear walls rather than the potential glass elevators of 15 Penn. But being in areas already alive with skyscraper proposals, it's not made as big of a deal.

Personally, I'm liking 15 Penn's design itself so far. Almost 400m of glass elevators would be amazing if they pull it off. And there's no reason the terraced stacked floors won't be finished with top quality materials and end up 56 Leonard-like.

JMKeynes · #**1634** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 1:03 PM**

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

That is fair too. I think the north facade is just a punching bag for criticism right now because of how little we've seen of it and, again, how 15 Penn is in such a volatile area near landmarks for a non-conventional skyscraper design. 350 Park and 343 Madison have offset cores even more likely to be full concrete shear walls rather than the potential glass elevators of 15 Penn. But being in areas already alive with skyscraper proposals, it's not made as big of a deal.

Personally, I'm liking 15 Penn's design itself so far. Almost 400m of glass elevators would be amazing if they pull it off. And there's no reason the terraced stacked floors won't be finished with top quality materials and end up 56 Leonard-like.

NYguy · #**1635** Posted **Sep 3, 2021, 4:05 PM**

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Originally Posted by JMKeynes

This will be a gorgeous tower. Hopefully, Amazon will anchor it.

Amazon bought the Lord & Taylor building on 5th Ave which they are building out. They also recently took more space in MW I believe. It doesn't really matter who leases 15 Penn, so long as somebody does.

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

I'd say this would be one of the most loved supertall proposals if it were in the Midtown East district or on Hudson Blvd. It's the proximity to the ESB and the demolition of Hotel Penn that leaves a bad taste in people's mouths.

I've been saying the design is more suitable for Park Avenue. But the hotel Penn was always going to go. It's been over a decade since we've been looking at replacements. For the people who do care about it, there will be no good replacement for it, so that doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Xing Lin

That is fair too. I think the north facade is just a punching bag for criticism right now because of how little we've seen of it and, again, how 15 Penn is in such a volatile area near landmarks for a non-conventional skyscraper design.

The thing about those renderings, the north side is pretty much expendable to Vornado, as they are trying to sell the office floors. We'll get more renderings eventually. But it won't matter a whole lot because whatever tower rises just to the north will block that view anyway.

Meanwhile, Roth's inspiration for the marketing....
https://youtu.be/b737Fov2LLw

Though, depending on the rendering, it's still 15 Penn...
https://pbase.com/nyguy/image/171910593

JMKeynes · #**1636** Posted **Sep 5, 2021, 4:22 AM**

Since Apple signed only a five year lease with Vornado (with a option to extend), I strongly suspect that it may be the anchor tenant for this tower. The Lord & Taylor building won’t satisfy their needs.

https://nypost.com/2020/02/24/apple-sign...te%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Apple signs NYC lease for office space near Madison Square Garden

By Lois Weiss
February 24, 2020 10:55am

NYguy · #**1637** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 3:18 AM**

Reflected on this in the 175 Park thread…

I was thinking earlier on how we’re moving on to the next phase of developments that will alter the skyline. This includes demo on many sites, the largest being the Hotel Pennsylvania, and the Commodore Hotel (Grand Hyatt).

Both buildings will enter demo next year, the close of a chapter which saw both of these hotels opening at the same time.

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A visit to the New York Times time machine...

JMKeynes · #**1638** Posted **Sep 10, 2021, 3:13 PM**

https://therealdeal.com/2021/09/10/facebook-still-looking-for-space-in-nyc/

NYguy · #**1639** Posted **Sep 11, 2021, 2:14 AM**

JMKeynes · #**1640** Posted **Sep 11, 2021, 2:18 AM**

This tower looks fabulous! Only in NY!!