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Old Posted Mar 25, 2017, 2:03 PM
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Kanata is not 30 minutes from downtown in no traffic, more like 15.
Google Maps clocks it at 20-24 minutes even at 4 AM on a Sunday
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Google Maps clocks it at 20-24 minutes even at 4 AM on a Sunday
While on a game night you would be pretty lucky to make the arena from downtown in less than 40 minutes.
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On top of that, patrons can easily waste an hour or two in the parking lot. If anything, Melnyk was way to modest with his comment (as to not further deter fans from coming down to Kanata).
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Kanata is not 30 minutes from downtown in no traffic, more like 15.
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Google Maps clocks it at 20-24 minutes even at 4 AM on a Sunday
It depends how fast you drive.
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Old Posted Mar 28, 2017, 1:40 PM
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It depends how fast you drive.
15 minutes if you are only considering the time on the 417 but who lives on the 417? If you are coming from the business district of downtown, or the Byward Market or Rideau Centre, it is closer to a ½ hour drive. I commute at least once a week from our office at 160 Elgin to Bells Corner and it takes me about 25 minutes during off hours from the parking lot to parking lot during non-rush hours at about 115km to 120km an hour on the 417.
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I live in Kanata Lakes and work on O'Connor street every day. Door to door commutes are:

Off peak weekday: 24 minutes
Evening: 21 minutes
7am to downtown: 28 minutes
4pm to Kanata: 35 minutes
Snowy Rush Hour Either Way: gong show

Since the highway was expanded and the weekday game times moved to 7:30 (a few years ago) it really doesn't matter if there is a Sens game or not. The issue with Sens games is, as stated, the parking lot is a disaster. It is just not feasible to have so many cars going to one location, 90% of which coming from the same direction and same 2 highway exits.

This team can't move downtown soon enough....though it looks like it's gonna be five years at least.
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I live in Kanata Lakes and work on O'Connor street every day. Door to door commutes are:

Off peak weekday: 24 minutes
Evening: 21 minutes
7am to downtown: 28 minutes
4pm to Kanata: 35 minutes
Light drizzle during Rush Hour Either Way: gong show

Since the highway was expanded and the weekday game times moved to 7:30 (a few years ago) it really doesn't matter if there is a Sens game or not. The issue with Sens games is, as stated, the parking lot is a disaster. It is just not feasible to have so many cars going to one location, 90% of which coming from the same direction and same 2 highway exits.

This team can't move downtown soon enough....though it looks like it's gonna be five years at least.
The bolded is also accurate.. doesn't take much to completely ruin any sort of traffic flow
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and the real story starts to trickle out...

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Watson wants city to be part of LeBreton Flats talks

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: April 12, 2017 | Last Updated: April 12, 2017 10:59 AM EDT


Mayor Jim Watson wants to make sure the City of Ottawa is involved in the redevelopment of LeBreton Flats.

“The city needs to be at the table for these discussions,” Watson said during a city council meeting Wednesday.

Watson said he’ll ask for council’s support to enter into negotiations with the National Capital Commission and RendezVous LeBreton Group, the consortium led by the Ottawa Senators and the NCC’s preferred redevelopment partner.

The NCC continues to negotiate the land-use deal with RendezVous.

The city doesn’t have much say about LeBreton Flats redevelopment, but it’s a major stakeholder.

The city will be impacted across several departments, including planning, transportation, emergency services and public works.

Plus, the city will be running an LRT system through the property.

Watson, a non-voting member of the NCC board, said he’ll bring a report to the finance and economic development committee and council in the next few months. He wants council to give him permission to lead the negotiations, along with city manager Steve Kanellakos.

He wants to know more about how the Ottawa Senators plan to finance the new arena and what the organization’s plans are for the Canadian Tire Centre. The loss of the NHL arena in Kanata will have a serious effect on the west end, Watson said.

The mayor said the city has already begun commercially confidential and “exploratory” discussions with the RendezVous about how the city can participate in the redevelopment. The NCC asked the city and RendezVous to have those talks.

There have also been talks about decontamination at LeBreton Flats. The city offers developers major tax and development fee breaks for cleaning up key brownfield properties in Ottawa.

City hall recently scored an important senior manager who will become a key internal consultant on the LeBreton file.

Steve Willis, the city’s general manager of planning, worked for the NCC as the head of capital planning.

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He wants to know more about how the Ottawa Senators plan to finance the new arena and what the organization’s plans are for the Canadian Tire Centre. The loss of the NHL arena in Kanata will have a serious effect on the west end, Watson said.
If the city doesn't know what the plans are for the CTC, why the push to extend the LRT to it?
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That's a little out of the blue. Has Jimmy not been listening? Sens specifically said they would not look for any public funds other than existing tax breaks and subsidies related to cleaning and developing contaminated sites.

At this point let RVL and the NCC complete their negotiations in peace before sticking your nose in it.
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That's a little out of the blue. Has Jimmy not been listening? Sens specifically said they would not look for any public funds other than existing tax breaks and subsidies related to cleaning and developing contaminated sites.

At this point let RVL and the NCC complete their negotiations in peace before sticking your nose in it.
Of course the Sens are saying that they aren't looking for any public funds. To state otherwise would create obstacles. Watson is likely concerned that this could change if the economics for the team (or the development) change. Knowing the finance plans will allow the city to evaluate the risk of this happening.
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The city will have to approve all of the zoning changes, etc. and could be on the hook for tens of millions in brownfield cleanup grants, so it makes sense for them to be involved.
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Of course the Sens are saying that they aren't looking for any public funds. To state otherwise would create obstacles. Watson is likely concerned that this could change if the economics for the team (or the development) change. Knowing the finance plans will allow the city to evaluate the risk of this happening.
Wouldn't you usually you ask for public money at the start? If they ask when they have already finalized their plans why would the city pitch in any money?
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Wouldn't you usually you ask for public money at the start? If they ask when they have already finalized their plans why would the city pitch in any money?
Their early line was that they only wanted public money from existing programs (to clean up brownfields, etc) but that leaves the door open for a lot of things.

I would suspect they would set it up so that the actual arena cost construction cost has no public money involved, but other public money could creep in (for housing projects, landscaping, roads, purchase of CTC, waived fees, etc. Certainly other arena projects in Canada had some sort of public money (indirectly in the case of the CTC from write-downs, etc. for the bankruptcy).
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Old Posted Apr 24, 2017, 11:57 PM
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No, we should not pay for a new arena for the Sens

Tyler Dawson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: April 24, 2017 | Last Updated: April 24, 2017 6:29 PM EDT


So let’s just put a stop to this talk right now, shall we? Ottawans shouldn’t pay for Eugene Melnyk’s new downtown arena.

Not that the Senators’ owner has come asking, but there’s some loose talk about public money around city hall, and the track record of teams asking for alms for their mega-facilities suggests that, eventually, Melnyk and company are going to ask us to turn out our pockets. (Full disclosure, by the way: A few years ago, I worked for Capital Sports, part of Melnyk’s empire, as a Zamboni driver.)

If negotiations sour, there’ll be howling about moving the team to another city, off-putting brinksmanship that’s become the norm. Calgary Flames President and CEO Ken King suggested that earlier this month if he couldn’t reach a deal with Calgary council on a hockey rink, CFL stadium and fieldhouse project worth more than $1 billion. The plan banks on hundreds of millions of public dollars.

Oilers owner Daryl Katz did the same thing in Edmonton, with an arena proposal similar to what’s happening in Ottawa. Rexall Place was old, and not downtown, just like the Canadian Tire Centre. Both are more than just arenas, entire new districts, really. Both projects are backed by billionaires, though it was clear (more or less) from the beginning that there was going to be public money involved in Edmonton. That’s less the case in Ottawa; Melnyk was pretty clear last year he’s not looking for public funds.

Yet most NHL arenas are built with public money. Some – such as Rexall Place – were built entirely with public funds. The whole enterprise can backfire spectacularly; Quebec City pitched in for a new arena to bring back the Nordiques and – oops – they ended up in Las Vegas. The Conference Board of Canada, in a 2011 report, said it may be nearly impossible to build an arena without public funding. It has been done, though, in Ottawa, Vancouver and Toronto. Success hinges on market size, opportunities for revenue other than hockey, private sponsorships and so on, which, admittedly, vary from city to city.

In Ottawa, Rod Bryden built the then-Palladium, including an overpass to get to it. A series of factors dragged the company into bankruptcy, and Melnyk bought up the team and arena at a huge loss for Bryden.

Public investment, though, is rarely good for taxpayers. The arguments that it creates jobs, generates tax revenue, boosts the local economy, draws tourists, are mostly bunk.

“From a purely economic perspective, there is not a compelling case for public sector investment in pro sports facilities,” the conference board report says. That leaves proponents with dubious arguments about civic pride, bettering a city and improving the life of locals.

The simple knockout argument is this: Regular people shouldn’t help a billionaire pay for his project, just as a matter of principle. After all, once it’s built, we’ll be there to hand over our hard-earned cash for tickets, and pig out on hysterically priced hot dogs, pretzels and beer.

Oh sure, everyone in town wants to see LeBreton Flats developed (though you can’t quite escape the sense that many of us won’t live long enough to see it through) but the city is already spending scads on the LRT and roads, and the developers plan to apply for city grants to clean up contaminated soil. These also amount to public assistance.

The deck, though, is stacked against us, considering most arenas need public cash. Plus, Mayor Jim Watson is planning to run again in October, 2018. No doubt he wants to test the waters on funding well before that puck drops.

I’m quite confident – though I hope I’m wrong – that we’ll all dig deep and hand rich men more money to see the arena built. But one bit of advice: If Melnyk threatens to leave town, call his bluff.

There’s another investor standing by to develop LeBreton. In this negotiation, the city and Ottawans have got the upper hand. And the priority should be LeBreton Flats, not a pro sports team.

Tyler Dawson is deputy editorial pages editor of the Ottawa Citizen.

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No, we should not pay for a new arena for the Sens

Tyler Dawson, Ottawa Citizen
Published on: April 24, 2017 | Last Updated: April 24, 2017 6:29 PM EDT


So let’s just put a stop to this talk right now, shall we? Ottawans shouldn’t pay for Eugene Melnyk’s new downtown arena.

http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/col...r-a-sens-arena
I find this very curious. Melnyk has not requested money yet the message is getting out that he may/could. The Mayor made statements along these lines as well.

I hope this does not boil down to remediation grants for contaminated soil that are already in place. Melnyk should have full access to those and the city better not be trying to change the rules and frame it as a request for money.
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Earlier in the competition Melnyk made it clear he would not use an arena he doesn't own. He makes a significant portion of his money from renting out the space to host events and hopes this will mean even greater profit for a downtown site. No, he will not use public funds, he doesn't want to use a municipal facility.
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Earlier in the competition Melnyk made it clear he would not use an arena he doesn't own. He makes a significant portion of his money from renting out the space to host events and hopes this will mean even greater profit for a downtown site. No, he will not use public funds, he doesn't want to use a municipal facility.
There's a big difference between government ownership and government funding. I doubt Melnyk would refuse any government funding if it came with no strings attached.
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I'd totally support the NCC leasing the land for free in exchange for various commitments (for example, commuting a certain percentage of retailers being independent, requiring that a certain amount of public artwork be installed, etc.) Basically pay social rent instead of monetary rent.

The priority for the NCC should be to develop the land in a way that it is good for the city, not to make money.
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