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1932 - 2210 W Temple Street. Aimee's free mess hall.
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I'm having a hard time reconciling these two images. I suppose it's possible she had two soup kitchens. Allowing for the sun, these seem to be on opposite sides of the street.


Aimee Semple McPhersonHutton's free soup kitchen, ca.1932

Los Angeles -- Aimee Semple McPherson-Hutton, the noted evangelist of Los Angeles recently opened a soup kitchen, where the hungry are fed. When the photographer called to get a picture of Aimee, he found instead Mr. Hutton, the recent bridegroom of the evangelist. Photo shows David Hutton with hungry men of Los Angeles. (1931)

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Mission Bells.....

On August 15, 1906 the first El Camino Real Bell was installed at the Pueblo De Los Angeles Mission Church near Olvera Street in Los Angeles. It still stands today! In 2004 Caltrans installed 555 of our Mission Bell Markers from South San Francisco to Los Angeles along the El Camino Real and Highway 101.

The El Camino Real Bell is made of cast iron, weighs 85 pounds and is 17 1/2" by 17 1/2" in size.
The Caltrans Mission Bell Marker is 15 1/2' tall. The bottom of the bell measures 11' from the ground.



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I'm having a hard time reconciling these two images. I suppose it's possible she had two soup kitchens. Allowing for the sun, these seem to be on opposite sides of the street.




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Here's one for all you guys that have done such great research. 1301 Ocean Avenue, Santa Monica is a wonderful example of Streamline combined with Art Deco. It was built in 1939, but by whom? Remodeled in 2008 at a supposed cost of $30 million (I suspect a questionable figure). In 2010 it gained somewhat Noirish status by virtue of an incident involving a number of individuals of the Jewish faith.



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For 2010 story go here: http://www.jewishjournal.com/thenon-...wsuit_20120815

Note the differences in the signage the photo in the article, as well as the removal / addition of shrubs.
Back around 1990 or so, I stayed in a one bedroom suite at the Shangri-La. The suite consisted of a bedroom, living room, kitchenette, and bath. It faced Ocean Blvd. and was on the third or fourth floor. I had always admired the building and was initially quite excited to be spending a week there during a visit to LA. My excitement rather quickly turned to dismay when I realized that the huge windows were not double glazed and there was no soundproofing from the street. There was a steady stream of buses, garbage trucks, and other noisy traffic throughout the night that made it impossible to sleep. The ocean and treetop views did not really compensate. Now this hotel has moved up the food chain supposedly with deluxe room rates and lots of buzz as a happening place. I can't help but wonder whether any effort was ever made to replace the original windows with something more soundproof. If so, it must have been a hugely expensive undertaking to replace all those "moderne" windows with up to date copies. I am sure when the Shangri-La first opened in the late 1930s, the neighborhood was much quieter. Still it is a magnificent looking building.
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Those of you familiar with Palms will know this building at the corner of Motor and National Place.


(Own work)

It surprises us at first to learn that this is one of the oldest business buildings in Palms; according to County records it goes back to 1915. The plastic signage belies its history by giving the place a decidedly bland post-WWII air.

From the side the appearance is more typical of when the building was constructed.


(From Google Earth)

And here's the strange part. Notice how what appear to be loading doors, originally intended for trucks or boxcars, are flush against the sidewalk, which seems to make them pretty much useless as such. At the same time, in the second picture there's obviously a slight rise in the level of the street and sidewalk, and as it happens if you keep going along National Place the level soon descends again. The placement of the window seems wrong as well; it's too low. Notice also how the air duct near the window has a right-angle turn near the sidewalk.

Is it possible that the level of the street was raised after the building was built? Before there was a street, is it possible that there was a rail siding between here and the Air Line?
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I think you're onto something here. I went back today and got this shot:



The track for the aluminum door actually goes a couple of feet below the present level of the sidewalk, so at the time of construction it was probably level with the street and intended for cars.
Would you believe it was once a fire station?

The January 1924 Culver City Sanborn Map shows the building at SE corner of Motor and National (Palm) with a truss roof, so it matches the structure that's there now:

LAPL

A wider view of the same area from the 1924 map:


By January 1929, the building had become an auto repair shop:

Culver City Sanborn @ LAPL

The 1950 update shows the building subdivided into stores without any indication as to what they were.

Here's the same corner -- below the "AV." -- on the June 1910 Palms Sanborn Map:

LAPL

What does BLSM stand for?

P.S. On the 1924 map, our building is marked 18' in several places; on the 1929 map, those numbers have changed to 12'. Did the building lose six feet in height?

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What does BLSM stand for?
Blacksmith?
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If you noticed the parsonage for the Church on Manhattan Place, I wonder if it was originally just another residence - with no connection to the place of worship other than geographically. http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/show...ostcount=16337 After all, there appears to have been a home on southern side of the Church that fronted Wilshire. I am guessing it remains an example of many homes in the neighborhood, including those that once fronted Wilshire. Come to think of it, I wonder why a building as splendidly large as that Church was not built on Wilshire?
The house to the north of Temple Emanu-el (opened 1923, congregation dissolved 1929--building sold to Christ Church) no doubt predates 1923 and is one of hundreds in the more-or-less English style built in Los Angeles from the mid 1900s to about WWI. The temple would have paid more for a lot facing Wilshire--with the money saved, they could build a better building on the side street. Also...there was already a house on the northwest corner of Wilshire and Manhattan. It was addressed 647 South Manhattan, home of Dr. Cecil R. Luton in the '20s--he died there in 1933. St. James Church at the northwest corner of Wilshire and St. Andrews was built on an empty lot--to its west was 646 South Gramercy: http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...e-see-our.html

The development of residential Wilshire Boulevard was actually rather spotty--there were always quite a few empty lots, many later filled with billboards.
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The house to the north of Temple Emanu-el (opened 1923, congregation dissolved 1929--building sold to Christ Church) no doubt predates 1923 and is one of hundreds in the more-or-less English style built in Los Angeles from the mid 1900s to about WWI. The temple would have paid more for a lot facing Wilshire--with the money saved, they could build a better building on the side street. Also...there was already a house on the northwest corner of Wilshire and Manhattan. It was addressed 647 South Manhattan, home of Dr. Cecil R. Luton in the '20s--he died there in 1933. St. James Church at the northwest corner of Wilshire and St. Andrews was built on an empty lot--to its west was 646 South Gramercy: http://wilshireboulevardhouses.blogs...e-see-our.html

The development of residential Wilshire Boulevard was actually rather spotty--there were always quite a few empty lots, many later filled with billboards.

Thank you for the information-laden response.

I presumed the existence/preexistence of a residential structure on Wilshire proper. But, as you noted, since there were many vacant lots on Wilshire, I also would have assumed a few owners of unimproved land "might" have gladly negotiated a development deal for any substantial structure. It might have even improved the nearby property values. For all we know, absent specific research, the property could have been gifted to the organization. However, there could have been many "unknown" factors for the building's location, exclusive of cost, including influential congregants who refused to patronize a location built in the west Wilshire "outback." Another possible consideration, which is pure speculation on my part, could have been restrictive covenants, discussed elsewhere in this thread. One last thought concerns the structure's outward appearance. It is substantial and impressive, but notably missing are the typical bell towers, that distinguish many houses of worship from their secular contemporaries.


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Bullocks may have been a virtual trailblazer by building as far west as Westmoreland, but others eventually saw the same light, e.g., Magnin's $3,000,000 "taj" at 3240 Wilshire. In Magnin's shadow, was Switzer's at 3250 Wilshire. Walter Switzer evidently started out at 2118 West 7th Street, before packing the covered wagon and moving to where the mighty Wilshire meets the New Hampshire (Avenue). However, Switzer's evidently predated Magnin's by 7 or more years since it was listed in '32, but not in '29. (Magnin's apparently dates from '39) Walter S's Flintridge residence must have been a long commute - even if it was not all bumper to bumper traffic on Vermont.

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Switzer had a nicely appointed interior, but not much merchandise - at least in these pictures! Hard to glimpse what was across the street.

Guessing this was early '30s.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...9EG3B65UCF.jpg

http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...BYG3P8LJL9.jpg


Fashion shoot alleged to have been taken outside of Switzer's. First guess, '48 Stude Champion?
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http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics46/00072817.jpg



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Doggone it, GaylordWilshire, you stole my thunder! You are absolutely right, the address of Aimee Semple McPherson's home is 333 S. Manhattan Place.
lapl

I was So proud of myself for locating the address by looking on HistoricAerials.com. I looked for the curving walkway, the tower, and the shape of the roof next door. The latest aerial view they have is from 2005, and the house still existed then. The view below, from 1948, shows the curved walkway, while the view from 2004 shows the tower more clearly.


historicaerials.com

The neighboring house was gone before 1972.

historicaerials.com

I wish we could see what the house looked like 10 years ago. Come to think of it, though, maybe I wouldn't like to see it. Odds are it would have been pretty sad looking by then. I would love to have lived in that neighborhood way back when. Today, blech! You can have it.
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Would you believe it was once a fire station?

The January 1924 Culver City Sanborn Map shows the building at SE corner of Motor and National (Palm) with a truss roof, so it matches the structure that's there now:

LAPL
What does BLSM stand for?


Bravo. Interesting discovery. BLS'M Pondering this now. Base . . . line . . . standard. ???


Speaking of Fire Stations, what a difference a coat of paint and a few years can make.

1914 ?? (Still relying on Equine Power!) Station No. 14 3401 S. Central Avenue (Is it really '14? DWP suggests structure was used from 1900-02 as Chemical Engine Co. No. 2, and then from '02 to '19 as Company No. 14.
http://catalog.library.ca.gov/exlibr...GJK4M5SV5I.jpg


Turn back the clock:

1900
http://www.lafire.com/stations/Chem0...tation_747.jpg


1902
http://www.lafire.com/stations/Chem0...tation_516.jpg


1910
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS014...n_E14_1500.jpg

Included this shot because of the overhead incandescent street light.
1914
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS014...14-02_1500.jpg

1915 - Modern Horse Drawn Equipment
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS014...Ready_1500.jpg



1936
http://waterandpower.org/Historical_..._Co._No.14.jpg


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Doggone it, GaylordWilshire, you stole my thunder! You are absolutely right, the address of Aimee Semple McPherson's home is 333 S. Manhattan Place.
lapl

I was So proud of myself for locating the address by looking on HistoricAerials.com. I looked for the curving walkway, the tower, and the shape of the roof next door. The latest aerial view they have is from 2005, and the house still existed then. The view below, from 1948, shows the curved walkway, while the view from 2004 shows the tower more clearly.


historicaerials.com

The neighboring house was gone before 1972.

historicaerials.com

I wish we could see what the house looked like 10 years ago. Come to think of it, though, maybe I wouldn't like to see it. Odds are it would have been pretty sad looking by then. I would love to have lived in that neighborhood way back when. Today, blech! You can have it.



Nicely done, anyway!

I have been wondering what was growing all over the house. Hate to say it, but with all of that shrub cladding, the place could have been a three story petting zoo. Shame it is no longer around. Would have been fascinating to explore the attic and basement, but not without first seeking guidance from Clyde Beatty or Charles Gay, regarding appropriate stool and whip!


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Originally posted by Tourmaline

April '27 - The "late" Nat Goodwin's home in Santa Monica, where Aimee allegedly spent some time. Nat died in '19, so his connection with Aimee was extremely attenuated. http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=3619,4351374 Exact address unknown.
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The Santa Monica Public Library lists Nat Goodwin's house at 2501 Ocean Front. Assuming they meant Ocean Front Walk, it appears that the section of the walk that included Goodwin's home is no more. It dosen't match up with any current address on Ocean Avenue, either. So I guess we found the ADDRESS, but can anyone find the LOCATION?

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Totally cool-looking house. But I'm sure the old eyesore was replaced by a much better-looking parking lot or strip mall.
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Anyone eaten recently at the Mona Lisa? 3343 Wilshire? Guessing everyone would rather go to the hat or the Bounty! (Am informed the Bounty (below) did not set sail until '48. Curious whether there was another bar/restaurant in the Gaylord.)

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1932 - 3337 1/2 Wilshire Boulevard. Next door to Gaylord Wilshire (3355 Wilshire!) As eyesores go, this one is very pretty.


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What does BLSM stand for?

One of two standard Sanborn abbreviations for Blacksmith (BLS'M or BLK SM). As the building was a fire station in the years of fire horses, it follows that a blacksmith's shop had to be part of the facility.
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1972 Foothill Freeway Collapse

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It may have been from the LaCanada Valley Sun, local paper.

It has been in my file for some time, but so far is the only photo I have; no cell phone cameras or digital cameras then, so I didn't take any at the time.
A truly horrifying tragedy. The L.A. Times did report on it with a two page story and a sidebar on the 18th. On the 19th, the headline for the story read, "Probe Opens into Bridge Collapse but Result is Doubtful". On the 20th the headline of the story on the first page of the local section read, "Poor Safety Records Charged in Bridge Disaster". On October 21st, a front page headline read, "Assembly Will Open Bridge Inquiry November 1st." I gleaned this from the Los Angeles Times Archives
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Nat Goodwin, Sammy Davis Jr., and Sandy Duncan

oooOOOoooh! Good ol' Goodwin was deliciously noirish!
Sorry, but I just had to submit the text of Nat Goodwin's obituary. Sorry if it is overly long, but every blessed detail is just too outlandish to omit. Enjoy!

From the Sausalito News, February 8,1919:

"NAT GOODWIN, NOTED ACTOR, DIES

Matrimony and Divorces Checkered Life; Five Brides He Led to Altar and Planned Sixth Wedding

New York.— Nat C. Goodwin, the actor, died at a hotel here early January 31, after a brief Illness. He came to New York January 27 from Baltimore, where he had been playing. Death, was due to a general breakdown, following an operation for the removal of his right eye several months ago. He was born in Boston, July 25, 1857. The removal of Goodwin's eye was the result of an error an employee made several weeks ago, in preparing an eye wash for the actor. Chloroform instead of the usual liquid was placed in the cup, and Goodwin's eye was seriously injured. Goodwin's parents live in Koxbury, Mass., where the burial took place. At the funeral, held last Saturday, Wolf Hopper, a life-long friend of Goodwin, read the service, in the presence of a delegation from the Lambs Club. The dead actor's parents from Massachusetts attended the funeral, which was followed by other services in Knoxbury.

Back in his school days in an academy at Farmington, Me., he won school fame as a mimic. He made his professional debut as a newsboy in "Law in New York," at Boston in 1874. The following year found him at the famous Tony Pastor's in New York. His theatrical activities were marked with almost uninterrupted successes, both as star and as producer, in America, England and Australia.

Goodwin was five times married. His last wife was Margaret Moreland. Goodwin's country home was at Ocean Park, Santa Monica, Cal.,

Soon after Goodwin and Margaret Moreland married they started a cafe at Santa Monica. All this time Goodwin was writing a 500,000-word book, "I Wonder," in which he asks and answers the questions of why so many women—five of them —have consented to share his name. This book was completed recently.

In 1876, when he was but 19 years old, Goodwin married Eliza Weathersby, a young English actress, who was ten years his senior. This marriage, says Goodwin, is the only one he ever has regarded as a conquest. And this was, perhaps, his happiest venture. Mrs. Weathersby Goodwin died after ten years. Nat referred to her as the "angel". "She was like a mother to me," he says in his book.

Goodwin met Mrs. Nella Pease, wife of a well-to-do physician of Buffalo, N. Y. Society was astounded when Dr. and Mrs. Pease were divorced, and in 1888 Mrs. Pease became Mrs. Goodwin No. 2. There was one bright spot in this marriage—the birth of a son. But the child died when only a few months old, and this Nat characterizes as one of the saddest moments of his life.

Maxine Elliott, a stage beauty, next attracted the much-married actor. He met her at a banquet in San Francisco, and at once become enamored of her, it is said. She was then the wife of George A. McDermott, a Los Angeles lawyer. Goodwin, about to sail for Australia to appear in "The Prisoner of Zenda," needed a leading woman of striking appearance. Maxine Elliott exactly fitted the bill. When the company returned from its tour she secured a divorce from McDermott and in 1898 became Mrs. Nat Goodwin No. 3. "My third wife was a Cleopatra, a Joan of Arc," declared Goodwin. "I married her for business reasons. Our team work on the stage was good, and box-office prospects with matrimony seemed better." There was trouble between the couple in England. Then Nat met Miss Edna Goodrich, one of the famous "Florodora" girls, whom he raised to the position of his leading lady. He divorced Maxine Elliott-Goodwin in Reno in 1908 on the ground of desertion, and November 8, 1908, was married in Boston to Miss Goodrich.

His fourth marriage cost Goodwin more than all the others put together, perhaps. In the first place, Goodwin, at the time of his fourth marriage, settled $200,000 on his bride. Then hard luck seemed to hit him from all sides. First he lost $250,000 in Nevada mining deals. In Paris, June, 1910, the couple agreed to disagree, and separated. Nat was sued for divorce in New York the following December, the name of a prominent actress being mentioned as co-respondent and also the name of a St. Louis society beauty. Goodwin, before his marriage, had made over to Miss Goodrich half the income from a $1,700,000 trust fund. When the last settlement had been made, Goodwin found that his wedded bliss in the fourth attempt had cost him $800,000, or just exactly $29,625.62 a month. In March. 1911, Mrs. Goodwin was granted an absolute decree of divorce. But even this didn't end his troubles, for Mrs. Goodrich-Goodwin sued him again, in 1911, for another $65,000 she claimed was due her, and tied up the actor's property holdings until he handed her the cash. Then Goodwin got up and exclaimed: "No more for me. I'm through with the wives."

In August, 1912, Goodwin was seriously injured while on a launch ride with Miss Moreland off Rocky Point, Calif., and was nursed back to health by his companion. This episode ended in the usual way, and Goodwin took Miss Moreland as bride No. 5. She divorced him last year, and last month became the bride of a Lieutenant in the American Army, her third matrimonial venture. Goodwin was soon to have taken a sixth wife, Georgia Gardner of Los Angeles, Cal., who is playing in the company in which Goodwin was starring at the time of his death. She came to New York a few days ago to arrange for his care here."
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A little off the beaten noir path, but I think we got lucky with the galloping horses. Probably got the horses on the first and only take! An alternative caption? Pizza's ready!

Here's a shot of "the gang" at the station. They have "a look" that suggests, except for when it was absolutely necessary, they excelled at energy conservation and food tasting.
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS014..._crew_1500.jpg

1915 - Station Company No. 14, Demonstration of more energy conservation?
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS014...ngOut_1500.jpg

1911 - Resting, but ready for action!
http://www.lafire.com/stations/FS014...gon14_1500.jpg

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