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LAofAnaheim · #**1601** Posted **Jul 23, 2011, 1:17 AM**

Also, westsidelife.......Spring street and Main street are both 1 way streets so I don't know how you get 2 bike lanes on a 1 way street. That would actually be quite unsafe. There will be a northbound bike lane on Main and a southbound on Spring.

Quixote · #**1602** Posted **Jul 23, 2011, 1:40 AM**

^ I already said that it's because I want wider sidewalks. Protected bike lanes provide enough of a buffer.

LAofAnaheim · #**1603** Posted **Jul 23, 2011, 4:23 AM**

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^ I already said that it's because I want wider sidewalks. Protected bike lanes provide enough of a buffer.

Do you ride a bike? Again, all I'll say is compare the bike lanes in WeHo (with street parking AND wide sidewalks) to Century City (with no street parking AND wide sidewalks <-- yes, sidewalks are pretty freakin' wide)...and tell me when you feel safer.

Even Long Beach, with its most aggressive biking plan has kept street parking on 2nd street, Broadway, 1st, etc.... because it's a pedestrian element. Nearly every beautiful bike corridor in Portland, DC or NYC also has street parking.

My final point - I don't understand why people who advocate for urbanism think street parking is bad. Every urban area with a walkable district has street parking to PROTECT the pedestrians. There's not enough bicyclists to do that. Street parking is something we should advocate for if we want a true urban area where cars go slower.

That's it.....now back to development....and I'm looking forward to 24 hour parking on Main & Spring! Woohoo!

jamesinclair · #**1604** Posted **Jul 23, 2011, 5:17 AM**

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First of all, what is different that NY, SF or Portland are doing? Is that a blanket statement or a fact? New York and Long Beach are the ONLY two US cities with physically separated bike lanes..

So incredibly wrong.

DC, Boston, Chicago, Minneapolis and many more. Including SF.

Sort of renders the rest of your rant moot, because your point was "if most cities are ok with bad bike lanes, then we should be too!"

How about building stuff like this?

Portland
http://bikeportland.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/cully430.jpg

San Francisco
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6030/5909908858_6370967957_z.jpg

Cambridge (by Boston)
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CdRYX8qjhuc/S8spHsk5PEI/AAAAAAAAACw/v5z9TBk9BWM/s1600/DSCN4076.JPG

Boston
http://bostoncyclistsunion.org/wp-content/upLoads/2010/12/Western-ave-300x168.jpg

Chicago
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-T2oA9oOovyQ/Te1Y1u-bToI/AAAAAAAAA-g/qm7ekFKhaz4/s1600/cycletrak.JPG

Denver
http://patterncities.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/IMG_0193.jpg

I could go on.

Only new york indeed.

202_Cyclist · #**1605** Posted **Jul 23, 2011, 3:09 PM**

AEG president outlines plans for downtown L.A. stadium

By Rick Orlov
Los Angeles Daily News
07/22/2011

"With the deadline looming for the city to commit to a downtown football stadium, AEG President Tim Leiweke hinted Friday at some of the key provisions a deal could contain.

"I understand the skeptics out there," Leiweke told members of the downtown Rotary Club during a noontime speech. "I am not saying this hasn't been controversial, but clearly, this is a different vision, a different time...."

http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_18533773

LosAngelesDreamin · #**1606** Posted **Jul 25, 2011, 7:52 PM**

WOW.. its really quiet in here.

._.

Anyways, I love LA =]

Illithid Dude · #**1607** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 4:48 AM**

Concerning the Bike Share Stations, Metro says they are going to put them at all the Metro stops, which sounds to me like a really shitty idea. Oh well.

JDRCRASH · #**1608** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 5:57 AM**

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Originally Posted by LosAngelesDreamin

WOW.. its really quiet in here.

._.

Anyways, I love LA =]

I think we're all simply waiting to see what the LA City Council is gonna do.

Illithid Dude · #**1609** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 6:10 AM**

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I think we're all simply waiting to see what the LA City Council is gonna do.

Are they expected to be doing something drastic soon?

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**1610** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 6:42 AM**

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

Concerning the Bike Share Stations, Metro says they are going to put them at all the Metro stops, which sounds to me like a really shitty idea. Oh well.

sounds like a great idea to me.

LosAngelesDreamin · #**1611** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 9:24 AM**

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sounds like a great idea to me.

I didn't even know what a bikeshare station was until I looked it up on YouTube right now lol... That's pretty freakin neat =] l

I as well think that stations at the metro stations is a great idea.. I love it!!

JDRCRASH · #**1612** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 2:34 PM**

bikeshare stations should be interesting here in LA.

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Originally Posted by Illithid Dude

Are they expected to be doing something drastic soon?

Concerning the stadium, they have only a few more days to meet Tim Leiweke's deadline and approve the thing.

Illithid Dude · #**1613** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 3:04 PM**

The reason I don't like the idea of putting bike share stations with all the metro stations is we don't have enough metro stations to sustain a viable bike share network. I just got back from Paris, Copenhagen, and Berlin, cities that all have a great bike share network. They don't only have bike share stations with the metro stations. Copenhagen, in fact, doesn't even have that big of a metro, with only two lines. They disperse the bike share stations evenly throughout the city, so that if you bike long enough you will end up finding another bike share station no matter where you are. Yes, Metro should put bike share stations next to their metro stations, but only if they have it everywhere else. Now, I realize that L.A. is too widespread to have a bike share program evenly distributed throughout the land, so the logical thing is just to cluster the stations around urban nodes and certain high-traffic streets, then later filling in the rest of L.A. as the system gets more popular.

EDIT: I'm just reading through this post right now, and laughing at my less then nice writing. I just woke up, bear with me.

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**1614** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 6:11 PM**

i dont think that LA is only going to put stations at metro stops.

Also, i was thinking about how 7th street should be altered. since its restaurant row, two lanes of traffic should be taken out (thats 16 feet of new space.) they should add 5 feet of sidewalk to each side as well as new landscaping, street furniture and mandate street side seating for restaurants as well as adding kiosks. then, take the remaining 3 feet on each side and add in a dedicated bike lane. that would be amazing and i think that 7th street doesnt have that much traffic so it could definitely work.

Illithid Dude · #**1615** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 6:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by LosAngelesSportsFan

i dont think that LA is only going to put stations at metro stops.

Also, i was thinking about how 7th street should be altered. since its restaurant row, two lanes of traffic should be taken out (thats 16 feet of new space.) they should add 5 feet of sidewalk to each side as well as new landscaping, street furniture and mandate street side seating for restaurants as well as adding kiosks. then, take the remaining 3 feet on each side and add in a dedicated bike lane. that would be amazing and i think that 7th street doesnt have that much traffic so it could definitely work.

Your basically proposing a complete street. There are very concrete plans to do this to Broadway, and much less concrete plans to do this to Spring. I've heard murmurs of doing this to 7th, but nothing finite.

LAofAnaheim · #**1616** Posted **Jul 27, 2011, 7:41 PM**

Is bikeshare really coming to EVERY Metro rail station? That's not reasonable. I'm sure they meant EVERY REASONABLE Metro rail station. I cannot envision bike sharing stations at Southwest Museum, Vernon or Hawthorne stations, just to name a few...

213 · #**1617** Posted **Jul 28, 2011, 5:11 AM**

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...i think that 7th street doesnt have that much traffic so it could definitely work.

7th congests in the evening and is a major bus route. Traffic otherwise is brisk throughout the day. I don't expect there will be changes east of Figueroa anytime soon.

Illithid Dude · #**1618** Posted **Jul 28, 2011, 6:19 AM**

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7th congests in the evening and is a major bus route. Traffic otherwise is brisk throughout the day. I don't expect there will be changes east of Figueroa anytime soon.

I do. Downtown, as of recently, is Los Angeles's testing ground for new urban ideas. They have very definitive, drawn out, rendered, and budgeted plans for a Broadway streetscape makeover that adds trees and widens the sidewalks. That right there is one thing that is happening 'east of Figueroa'. 7th and Spring have been brought up multiple times as streets that could get a complete streets makeover, which would entail more urban, less overbearing trees, wider sidewalks, and bikelanes. As the great man Justin Beiber once said, "Never say never".

alki · #**1619** Posted **Jul 28, 2011, 6:30 AM**

A time lapse video at 5th and Spring:

http://la.curbed.com/index.php?page=2

LosAngelesSportsFan · #**1620** Posted **Jul 28, 2011, 6:35 AM**

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Originally Posted by 213

7th congests in the evening and is a major bus route. Traffic otherwise is brisk throughout the day. I don't expect there will be changes east of Figueroa anytime soon.

it gets congested for maybe an hour every day.