Statistics Canada Reports II - Page 81

MonctonRad · #**1601** Posted **May 23, 2024, 2:15 AM**

NATIONAL CMA POPULATION RANKINGS

The Alpha Six:

1) Toronto ON - 6,804,847
2) Montreal QC - 4,502,177
3) Vancouver BC - 2,971,853
4) Calgary AB - 1,682,509
5) Ottawa/Gatineau ON/QC - 1,605,809
6) Edmonton AB - 1,563,571

The Beta Three:

7) Winnipeg MB - 910,240
8) Quebec City QC - 880,875
9) Hamilton ON - 841,186

The 400 Plus Club:

10) Kitchener/Waterloo ON - 665,188
11) London ON - 608,343
12) Halifax NS - 518,711
13) St. Catherines/Niagara ON - 478,261
14) Windsor ON - 467,973
15) Oshawa ON - 464,356
16) Victoria BC - 434,429

The 200 Plus Club:

17) Saskatoon SK - 352,093
18) Regina SK - 271,119
19) Kelowna BC - 246,894
20) Sherbrooke QC - 238,808
21) Barrie ON - 238,540
22) St. John's NL - 232,039
23) Abbotsford BC - 213,785

The Rest of the Pack

24) Kingston ON - 188,267
25) Sudbury ON - 185,230
26) Guelph ON - 180,476
27) Moncton NB - 178,971
28) Trois Rivieres QC - 169,204
29) Brantford ON - 167,718
30) Saguenay QC - 167,399
31) Peterborough ON - 142,737
32) Saint John NB - 138,985
33) Lethbridge AB - 135,230
34) Thunder Bay ON - 130,752
35) Nanaimo BC - 125,430
36) Kamloops BC - 125,332
37) Chilliwack BC - 124,163
38) Belleville ON - 121,982
39) Fredericton NB - 119,059
40) Red Deer AB - 109,262
41) Drummondville QC - 106,347

Knocking at the Door:

42) Chatham/Kent ON - 110,986
43) CBRM (Sydney) NS - 109,962
44) Sarnia ON - 106,984
45) Prince George BC - 96,758
46) Granby QC - 93,922
47) Charlottetown PE - 90,648

MonkeyRonin · #**1602** Posted **May 23, 2024, 2:56 AM**

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Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I can believe Toronto would one day ahve the most growth in north America in absolute numbers. What is mind boggling, how far ahead Toronto is from any city in North America. Dallas and Houston both technically ahve more people in their metro areas, but did not even come close to Toronto growth.

Technically they're larger, but only because the US defines metro areas differently (ie. more liberally) than Canada does. Toronto's equivalent to an American "MSA" would include the Hamilton and Oshawa CMA, bringing its population to 8,110,389 - larger than Houston & Dallas, and starting to close in on Chicago's 9.2 million.

The Golden Horseshoe meanwhile (Toronto, Hamilton, Oshawa, Kitchener, Niagara, Barrie, Guelph, Peterborough, & Brantford) is just shy of 10 million - at 9,983,309 - has now passed the Chicagoland CSA's population of 9.8 million.

Metro-One · #**1603** Posted **May 23, 2024, 4:59 AM**

Likewise Vancouver if in the US would be an MSA of 3,309,801.

svlt · #**1604** Posted **May 23, 2024, 6:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by Metro-One

Likewise Vancouver if in the US would be an MSA of 3,309,801.

That's just Metro Vancouver + Chilliwack + Abbotsford. Throw in Squamish, Whistler and the Sunshine Coast and it's something closer to 3,385,159.

That would be somewhat similar to how the US Combined Statistical Areas (CSA) would have done it it seems - If it's an inhabited area that you can drive to in a few hours and isn't closer to another major population node, it's part of your CSA.

thebasketballgeek · #**1605** Posted **May 23, 2024, 8:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

NATIONAL CMA POPULATION RANKINGS

The Alpha Six:

1) Toronto ON - 6,804,847
2) Montreal QC - 4,502,177
3) Vancouver BC - 2,971,853
4) Calgary AB - 1,682,509
5) Ottawa/Gatineau ON/QC - 1,605,809
6) Edmonton AB - 1,563,571

The Beta Three:

7) Winnipeg MB - 910,240
8) Quebec City QC - 880,875
9) Hamilton ON - 841,186

Calgary, Edmonton, and Ottawa don’t belong in the same tier as the big 3.

Nashe · #**1606** Posted **May 23, 2024, 9:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by thebasketballgeek

Calgary, Edmonton, and Ottawa don’t belong in the same tier as the big 3.

They're in the same group in this chart because they're over a million, I hazard to guess.

goodgrowth · #**1607** Posted **May 23, 2024, 11:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The 200 Plus Club:

17) Saskatoon SK - 352,093
18) Regina SK - 271,119
19) Kelowna BC - 246,894
20) Sherbrooke QC - 238,808
21) Barrie ON - 238,540
22) St. John's NL - 232,039
23) Abbotsford BC - 213,785

I'm thinking Regina gets overtaken by a bunch of these places in the medium-long term. It has the worst attrition problem out of them all.

MonctonRad · #**1608** Posted **May 23, 2024, 12:15 PM**

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Originally Posted by goodgrowth

I'm thinking Regina gets overtaken by a bunch of these places in the medium-long term. It has the worst attrition problem out of them all.

Kelowna for damned sure, and probably also Abbotsford and Barrie.

FWIW, Moncton is likely to join the 200,000 club very shortly. These stats are from July 1st, 2023. Just this week, a radio report on CBC stated that Moncton had grown by 12,000 people in the last calendar year. As such, the Moncton CMA population is probably currently at or just below 190,000. Moncton will likely break the 200,000 barrier by the end of 2025.

Arrdeeharharharbour · #**1609** Posted **May 23, 2024, 12:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by haljackey

Also with what I've been reading/seeing in the media, Austin and San Antonio have been growing like weeds. But only about 50k it seems, and a much lower % of population vs a city like Calgary.

US metros also cover a lot more land on average, which is why all the US cities on this list (except Jacksonville) have communities no one has heard of on them.

Ex- Austin-Round Rock-New Braunfels Islands? WTF are those places?

Heck London (ON) will soon overtake Miami proper in terms of city population. Possibly by next census.

I was wondering about London in terms of its CMA and all the investment/job growth in the area. What happens if St. Thomas reaches the 100k mark? Will it become its own CMA and then be hived-out of the London CMA? And what about Port Stanley? Would PS become part of the St. Thomas CMA thus reducing London's CMA population even more?

MonctonRad · #**1610** Posted **May 23, 2024, 12:18 PM**

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Originally Posted by Arrdeeharharharbour

I was wondering about London in terms of its CMA and all the investment/job growth in the area. What happens if St. Thomas reaches the 100k mark? Will it become its own CMA and then be hived-out of the London CMA? And what about Port Stanley? Would PS become part of the St. Thomas CMA thus reducing London's CMA population even more?

There is no "hiving out" of CMAs. As far as Statistics Canada is concerned, a CMA is sacrosanct, and can never be broken up. Also, once a CMA, always a CMA. If the metro population falls below 100,000, the city will continue to have CMA status.

Arrdeeharharharbour · #**1611** Posted **May 23, 2024, 12:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

There is no "hiving out" of CMAs. As far as Statistics Canada is concerned, a CMA is sacrosanct, and can never be broken up. Also, once a CMA, always a CMA. If the metro population falls below 100,000, the city will continue to have CMA status.

Thanks for the info!

Innsertnamehere · #**1612** Posted **May 23, 2024, 12:41 PM**

It's a similar reason as to why Oshawa hasn't joined the Toronto CMA - it was large enough to qualify on it's own at one point in time, so it forever stays as it's own.

If the CMA lines were being drawn "fresh" today, Oshawa would likely be lumped into the Toronto CMA. But they aren't, so it stays as it's own thing.

haljackey · #**1613** Posted **May 23, 2024, 12:54 PM**

Never say forever. CMAs could be changed one day.

St Thomas is 43k per the 2021 Census so it has a long way to go to reach 100k. It will grow pretty quick in the next few years however since it has cheaper housing than London proper and has the VW battery plant coming, and jobs along with it.

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MolsonExport · #**1614** Posted **May 23, 2024, 1:23 PM**

Ice-belt growth phenomenon.

theman23 · #**1615** Posted **May 23, 2024, 1:30 PM**

LOL, poor Jacksonville can't even muster up half of K-W's digits.

The USA is small potatoes. I want to see some graphs comparing us to the other top dogs. Where my Aleppo and Khinshasa at?

Acajack · #**1616** Posted **May 23, 2024, 1:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by theman23

LOL, poor Jacksonville can't even muster up half of K-W's digits.

The USA is small potatoes. I want to see some graphs comparing us to the other top dogs. Where my Aleppo and Khinshasa at?

Why think so small?

Dhaka and Lagos are what it's all about.

le calmar · #**1617** Posted **May 23, 2024, 1:57 PM**

I wonder how much of that growth in K-W can be attributed to Conestoga College international students alone. Last I heard they pulling some insane numbers.

MonctonRad · #**1618** Posted **May 23, 2024, 2:06 PM**

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Originally Posted by le calmar

I wonder how much of that growth in K-W can be attributed to Conestoga College international students alone. Last I heard they pulling some insane numbers.

Just like the recent uptick in CBRM growth and the presence of Dave Dingwall and CBU in that jurisdiction.

Acajack · #**1619** Posted **May 23, 2024, 2:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Just like the recent uptick in CBRM growth and the presence of Dave Dingwall and CBU in that jurisdiction.

David Dingwall is entitled to his entitl-- er, en-rolments.

MonctonRad · #**1620** Posted **May 23, 2024, 3:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Acajack

David Dingwall is entitled to his entitl-- er, en-rolments.

One can necessarily lead to the other.........

Good ol' Dave - probably the only man alive simultaneously collecting at least three different well funded pensions while also collecting income as president of a Canadian university.

Grifting is his life calling.........