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Old Posted Jun 13, 2025, 9:08 PM
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Looking more closely at the 859 Sand Cove Road development, it is well done. Below is a quote from the developer to the city outlining their engagement with the local community. There is also letters from neighbours in open support of the development, which is a testament to their efforts.

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Here is a bullet point summary of the neighbourhood engagement process we undertook:
  • 2018 to 2022 we advised people who inquired about our future plans that we would prefer to do a multi-family residential development and would be eventually applying for rezoning. Our plans were to keep the daycare operating.
  • June 2022 we sent out a notice that we would be having an open house information session.
  • July 7, 2022 we had an open house with approximately 30 in attendance. We were looking for comments on a couple of proposals that were conceptual only. Comment cards were provided and several respondents were considering apartments if the project proceeded.
  • Continued to informally gather information and had discussions with neighbours to give reasons why we preferred to move away from institutional zoning to a residential zone.
  • Sent out notices to residents within 100 metres to advise we would be doing geotechnical investigates to assist us in developing a detailed conceptual development plan which would be presented to the community at a future date.
  • Also sent out notices that topographic surveying would be taking place to further develop our plans.
  • When opportunities came up we explained to residents the “as of right” zoning and process of developing under the present zoning.
  • Contacted the President of the Duck Cove Recreational &Heritage Association (DCR&HA) regarding a meeting or meetings they held and information they gathered. Quality and density of what we might do was a common concern.
  • Had discussions with the DCR&HAexecutive regarding the proposed quality and were advised that an upscale project might be acceptable if it could be integrated into the neighbourhood.
  • Presented renderings and concepts to the DCR&HA executive for a high quality project including a parking garage supplemented with surface parking, sprinkler systems, elevators, common rooms and security systems in each building with abundant open space for amenities.
  • Arranged to enter into an agreement with the DCR&HA that would solidly integrate the project into the neighbourhood if approved by their general membership.
  • DCR&HA held a meeting of the association members with approximately 42 members in attendance which I understand was generally well received subject to the developer having a meeting to respond to a number of questions brought up.
  • We had notices hand delivered to cover over 150 properties within 100 metres of the site and up to 450 metres in other directions to assure the capture area took in the general area members of the DCR&HA lived in. The notices advised there would be an information meeting held on May 31, 2025 to address questions raised by the community.
  • On May 31, 2025 did a Power Point presentation and question and answer session at the Seawood Daycare facility with just under 60 people in attendance. Most in attendance appeared supportive of the proposal once their questions were addressed. Five residents filled out information sheets expressing what they would like to see in the apartments.
  • Before and after the information session we spoke to and updated all immediately adjacent property owners. We discussed and addressed buffering options or concerns. All immediately adjacent property owners seem supportive of our proposal and some expressed interest in moving to the complex when developed.
My only comment is that I wish it included a few more units and considered two or three bedrooms, rather than just the one bedroom and one bed + den, based on the floor plans shown. On the positive side, it shouldn't overly concern or bother neighbours with just four levels. It's infilling and intensifying rather than expanding, and is in a great location, near transport and services, with ample parking. It also retains the daycare and is unlikely to have a significant impact on traffic.

If any councillors vote against this without a good reason, they've completely lost the plot and should be voted out of office.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2025, 10:05 PM
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I agree with you on the size issue. As empty nesters if we were to downsize to an apartment or condo it would be 2BR as a minimum and preferably 2BR plus a den.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2025, 11:23 PM
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I wonder if 4 storeys will be enough to see a view of Duck Cove?

You’d think 6 would be…


It’s definitely a nice development and hope it passes, but one 12 storey building instead of three 4 storey buildings would have retained a lot more green space and resulted in quite a few apartments with ocean views… something Saint John currently doesnt have much of, despite being a seaside city.
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WRT Point Lepreau, I was under the impression building one or more small modular reactors was pretty much a done deal. Is this still in the works or are we now just looking at another full-sized reactor only?

After the cost overruns during the last refit, they need to have some guarantees made to ensure the taxpayers and power customers don't end up paying for poor decisions. I'd think small modular rectors would be a safer bet financially...that is, if they are ready for prime time and not still on the drwaing board.
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Old Posted Jun 13, 2025, 11:35 PM
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WRT Point Lepreau, I was under the impression building one or more small modular reactors was pretty much a done deal. Is this still in the works or are we now just looking at another full-sized reactor only?

After the cost overruns during the last refit, they need to have some guarantees made to ensure the taxpayers and power customers don't end up paying for poor decisions. I'd think small modular rectors would be a safer bet financially...that is, if they are ready for prime time and not still on the drwaing board.
Holt said it doesn’t need to be one or the other situation. There’s a lot of issues to work out with SMRs, specifically the corrosion piece, but the CANDU reactor is tried and tested and construction could start much faster.

I’m hopeful we’ll see both. The Moltex reactor design is especially intriguing as it will run entirely off spent fuel that’s already onsite at Lepreau. Their design is basically being billed as a two fold solution that reduces nuclear waste and generates electricity.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 12:46 AM
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WRT Point Lepreau, I was under the impression building one or more small modular reactors was pretty much a done deal. Is this still in the works or are we now just looking at another full-sized reactor only?

After the cost overruns during the last refit, they need to have some guarantees made to ensure the taxpayers and power customers don't end up paying for poor decisions. I'd think small modular rectors would be a safer bet financially...that is, if they are ready for prime time and not still on the drwaing board.
Given that the taxpayers and power customers are already paying for the drawing board, I think it's a given that the taxpayers and power customers would pay for 100% of poor decisions.

Personally I think it is ludicrous that a financial basketcase like NBPower is taking a home run swing at being the early adopter of this technology. There is zero credibility to think that NBPower would successfully deliver a project on time and on budget to build the first operational SMR in the Western Hemisphere. Give control/funding responsibility of the drawing boards we are funding over to Ontario Power Generation, and after they have successfully built some then hire them to build one or some at Lepreau.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 1:15 AM
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WRT Point Lepreau, I was under the impression building one or more small modular reactors was pretty much a done deal. Is this still in the works or are we now just looking at another full-sized reactor only?

After the cost overruns during the last refit, they need to have some guarantees made to ensure the taxpayers and power customers don't end up paying for poor decisions. I'd think small modular rectors would be a safer bet financially...that is, if they are ready for prime time and not still on the drwaing board.
From what I’m hearing from a very reliable source, the SMR is very unlikely. However the second full reactor is very very likely. NB currently does not generate enough power to sustain itself, let alone to export West.

There is a proposal for Scoudouc but that will generate very little power and ultimately probably gets scrapped. Nb needs more power generation and a second reactor at Lepreau is the most logical answer.

I’m hearing the latest estimates are at $8.5-9 Billion.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 2:32 AM
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From what I’m hearing from a very reliable source, the SMR is very unlikely. However the second full reactor is very very likely. NB currently does not generate enough power to sustain itself, let alone to export West.

There is a proposal for Scoudouc but that will generate very little power and ultimately probably gets scrapped. Nb needs more power generation and a second reactor at Lepreau is the most logical answer.

I’m hearing the latest estimates are at $8.5-9 Billion.
No need to name names, but what kind of reliable source we talking here? A higher up at NB Power?

I think the Moltex reactor still has a lot of potential, I hope they succeed and get it built.

I watched this long form interview with Moltex Canada’s CEO a while back, and their work really does seem promising.

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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 4:40 PM
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Trio of buildings together Rothesay - estimate 120 units

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Two new builds beside each other Loch Lomand Rd

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Where are these buildings located?
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Dobbin St
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 9:02 PM
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If you think getting something approved in Saint John is difficult, look at this proposed development in Rothesay. There is a public hearing on Monday, and there is a stack of letters against this, presentations, and a petition! You'd think they are building an apartment building.

https://www.rothesay.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/2025June16CameronRoad-Public-Hearing-FINAL.pdf

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If you think getting something approved in Saint John is difficult, look at this proposed development in Rothesay. There is a public hearing on Monday, and there is a stack of letters against this, presentations, and a petition! You'd think they are building an apartment building.

https://www.rothesay.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/2025June16CameronRoad-Public-Hearing-FINAL.pdf

And the hearing is only for the 4 properties fronting Cameron Dr. They really won’t want the interior portion of the development.
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Old Posted Jun 14, 2025, 11:36 PM
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People generally don't like change.....and they especially don't like their neighbourhoods to change. It is what it is.

While I'm not taking sides you have to admit a move away from single family detached homes on 1/4 to 1/2 acre lots to duplexes/triplexes/row houses or multi unit mid rise apartment buildings is a pretty major change
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