Salt Lake City: Official Development News Thread - Part 5

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Well I never said the Coyotes were likely to move or that if they did, SLC would likely be their destination.

But anyone who's paying attention to the situation knows it's extremely unsettled. Until it is settled, there's going to be relocation rumors - whether people like it or not. And it's not settled at the moment.

Since they play in the city I live in currently, I guess you can say I pay attention a bit.

Rumors, sure... unsettled in Phoenix, absolutely. But looking to relocate is definitely a stretch at this point, a lot of us in the market expected that to be the outcome after the vote failed but they and the league have doubled down on PHX. Relocation options could become the case if an arena solution is not found by end of year or so... but both the commissioner and team have stated they're set on Phoenix now.

Until Ryan Smith or whomever puts together real plans for an NHL arena in SLC this is nothing more than a rumor as well, and would just put any team moving there in an equally unsettled situation. In the Coyotes case, they would once again be playing in an NBA specific arena, in a smaller market than they're currently in.

I'd love to see NHL and MLB in SLC, specifically downtown not Draper or whatever. I don't want it to be my team that moves there but it's not in my control. But I've said this before adding more pro teams has been teased since I was a kid, many years ago now. MLS came in and that's been it so far. It could be many more decades before anything happens but I will temper my excitement until I see a funded/approved stadium plan.

[Paniolo Man]

A separate thread was created for the incessant sport franchise discussion.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Man

A separate thread was created for the incessant sport franchise discussion.

Yes. I think we're aware. I don't think this thread is active enough to warrant an additional thread, so, I will continue to talk about this here as it relates to the development of downtown.

As for the Coyotes, until an arena deal is set, you're going to hear talks and rumors of their relocating. That's just the reality. They've pissed through too many opportunities the last few years for anyone to temper their discussions because now might be different.

Do I think the Coyotes relocate to Salt Lake? No. I think Smith would rather bring in a completely new franchise than move that team here.

But I also think Smith is content on looking to the future and I think that will impact his decisions regarding the Delta Center within the next ten years.

As I said in another post: I do not expect the Jazz to be playing at the Delta Center come 2033 - or they'll be in the process of moving to a new arena or starting its construction.

The question here is whether that arena will be downtown or out in the south-end of the valley.

[Ironweed]

The D-1 zoning should be expanded. I say incorporate it through the central city area and all of downtown

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Ironweed

The D-1 zoning should be expanded. I say incorporate it through the central city area and all of downtown

East Central too - all the way to the U.

[Lilljemalm]

I just got home from spending a week on the Wasatch Front. It was the first time I'd been there for several years. Downtown "felt" much more like a city than it did the last time I was there. I liked it. I saw the new state flag flying - I like it; far better than the old boring one. SLC proper, though, needs to put some money into street repair in its central core and the forest of bill boards along I-15 needs to be clear cut. Question: what are all the tower cranes for near the sewage treatment plant west of Beck Street near the Davis County line?

[Paniolo Man]

Originally Posted by Lilljemalm

I just got home from spending a week on the Wasatch Front. It was the first time I'd been there for several years. Downtown "felt" much more like a city than it did the last time I was there. I liked it. I saw the new state flag flying - I like it; far better than the old boring one. SLC proper, though, needs to put some money into street repair in its central core and the forest of bill boards along I-15 needs to be clear cut. Question: what are all the tower cranes for near the sewage treatment plant west of Beck Street near the Davis County line?

You were probably seeing the Water Reclamation Facility. A pretty comprehensive overhaul of the sewage plant.

[Dallas Snob]

Thank you, so called "comrade" for once again reminding us that this is your own private echo chamber to which the rest of us are just observers.

You know full well that the endless sports team drivel is really over and above the intent, that the thread created for the subject was boring and nobody cared about it, so right back here to be an a**. As usual.

Friends, (not comrades), this is my last post. Im done with this childish foolishness. There are other places to go to have good discussions with adults. You go COMRADE! Pretty soon youll have yourself and 2 or 3 others to talk to. OH WAIT! That was the Sports thread that was created! LMAO!

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Yes. I think we're aware. I don't think this thread is active enough to warrant an additional thread, so, I will continue to talk about this here as it relates to the development of downtown.

As for the Coyotes, until an arena deal is set, you're going to hear talks and rumors of their relocating. That's just the reality. They've pissed through too many opportunities the last few years for anyone to temper their discussions because now might be different.

Do I think the Coyotes relocate to Salt Lake? No. I think Smith would rather bring in a completely new franchise than move that team here.

But I also think Smith is content on looking to the future and I think that will impact his decisions regarding the Delta Center within the next ten years.

As I said in another post: I do not expect the Jazz to be playing at the Delta Center come 2033 - or they'll be in the process of moving to a new arena or starting its construction.

The question here is whether that arena will be downtown or out in the south-end of the valley.

I agree that's the most likely outcome at this point but that can change if things go poorly in Phoenix for the Yotes and no stadium gets done. As for SLC, I'll feel like the prospects become more real once there is a stadium development plan, funds, and any required public support which may or may not require a public vote is known, then I'll feel like there is a real chance of pro-sports expansion in SLC.

That is the order which things will need to happen, as it did in Vegas the T-Mobile arena was built and opened by April 2016. The Knights we're approved by NHL owners in June 2016.

[UT_Presto]

Originally Posted by delts145

BRIX

I'm glad you mentioned the BRIX. I had wondered if the current state of the economy had squashed that project for the time being.

AJC Architects

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I drove by the BRIX site yesterday and construction seems to be in full swing. I was unable to snag a picture, but it looks like they are about ready to pour the foundation.

[RC14]

Originally Posted by Dallas Snob

Thank you, so called "comrade" for once again reminding us that this is your own private echo chamber to which the rest of us are just observers.

You know full well that the endless sports team drivel is really over and above the intent, that the thread created for the subject was boring and nobody cared about it, so right back here to be an a**. As usual.

Friends, (not comrades), this is my last post. Im done with this childish foolishness. There are other places to go to have good discussions with adults. You go COMRADE! Pretty soon youll have yourself and 2 or 3 others to talk to. OH WAIT! That was the Sports thread that was created! LMAO!

I think Comrade's contributions have made this thread more interesting. He's always gone against the grain but he is very knowledgeable and has an interesting perspective.

As far as the sports discussion, I created the sports thread because people were clearly annoyed with the discussion here. I should have actually called it the sports thread because there seems to be allot more to talk about then just NHL and MLB with the PGA coming to Utah, Olympics, possible NASCA street racing etc.

At the same time, I also feel like a possible new major sports team, let alone two, is one of the most interesting things to speculate about development wise right now. The topic has crept back year after year when there was nothing going on and now there are actual proposals. Of course there is going to be allot of discussion about it. Especially when allot of the other big projects seem to be running into economic head winds.

[Rileybo]

Originally Posted by RC14

I think Comrade's contributions have made this thread more interesting. He's always gone against the grain but he is very knowledgeable and has an interesting perspective.

It’s interesting how being based in reality and speaking from experience and knowledge is considered against the grain around these parts.

[meman]

Beings there fencing around the Royal Wood, does anybody know the approx timeline for the start of the 2nd phase ?

[mstar]

Just my opinion - but there isn't a lot of new development news to talk about right now. I think it is OK at discussing the possibility of getting major sports franchises in SL as that will spur development. I think most all of us on this thread love downtown and would love to see the sports teams be here. I don't agree with everything that Comrade posts, but he is interesting and a valuable part of this thread.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Dallas Snob

Thank you, so called "comrade" for once again reminding us that this is your own private echo chamber to which the rest of us are just observers.

You know full well that the endless sports team drivel is really over and above the intent, that the thread created for the subject was boring and nobody cared about it, so right back here to be an a**. As usual.

Friends, (not comrades), this is my last post. Im done with this childish foolishness. There are other places to go to have good discussions with adults. You go COMRADE! Pretty soon youll have yourself and 2 or 3 others to talk to. OH WAIT! That was the Sports thread that was created! LMAO!

Thank you.

What's funny, but what I'm sure you'll refuse to see, is that I was the one who answered your initial question about whether Salt Lake had a Midtown - even provided a nifty map since you also had questions regarding specific districts.

Bye.

Also: Thank you, guys. I appreciate the kind words.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by Comrade

Thank you.

What's funny, but what I'm sure you'll refuse to see, is that I was the one who answered your initial question about whether Salt Lake had a Midtown - even provided a nifty map since you also had questions regarding specific districts.

Bye.

Also: Thank you, guys. I appreciate the kind words.

I agree with what others have said, not sure what DS has an issue with exactly but I've always enjoyed contributions to the thread and appreciate the realistic thoughts when things get too rosy around here. Nothing wrong with being grounded, that is a good trait to bring to any real discussion on development news.

[locolife]

Originally Posted by mstar

Just my opinion - but there isn't a lot of new development news to talk about right now. I think it is OK at discussing the possibility of getting major sports franchises in SL as that will spur development. I think most all of us on this thread love downtown and would love to see the sports teams be here. I don't agree with everything that Comrade posts, but he is interesting and a valuable part of this thread.

Yeah, it does seem things have slowed down on new development news, I hate it when that happens. Hopefully this is short term and things can ramp back up soon, it's so boring when nothing new is going up.

[rockies]

The endless, circular stadium speculation even in the absence of more news has sucked as much life out of this forum as the slowdown

I understand the general demographic overlap between many here and pro sports audiences - but please we have already established that this is not the place for minor updates and discussion of that topic. Of course those not interested can just scroll past - but it's hardly worth checking here at this point

[Utah_Dave]

Originally Posted by rockies

The endless, circular stadium speculation even in the absence of more news has sucked as much life out of this forum as the slowdown

I understand the general demographic overlap between many here and pro sports audiences - but please we have already established that this is not the place for minor updates and discussion of that topic. Of course those not interested can just scroll past - but it's hardly worth checking here at this point

Just a friendly jab, but it’s funny to me your username and image are of a sports team and stadium . Not discounting what you said though.

Cheers to low interest rates in a few years! There was a period early in the pandemic where I didn’t put 2 and 2 together about super low interest rates and all the development activity. I thought the pandemic was going to squash our progress in 2018 and 2019. Of the remaining high rise proposals not under construction. Which ones do we feel are most likely to rise from the ashes when interest rates settle down in a few years? Any rumors on the APS site and that potential hotel aspirations?

[rockies]

Originally Posted by Utah_Dave

Just a friendly jab, but it’s funny to me your username and image are of a sports team and stadium . Not discounting what you said though.

Cheers to low interest rates in a few years! There was a period early in the pandemic where I didn’t put 2 and 2 together about super low interest rates and all the development activity. I thought the pandemic was going to squash our progress in 2018 and 2019. Of the remaining high rise proposals not under construction. Which ones do we feel are most likely to rise from the ashes when interest rates settle down in a few years? Any rumors on the APS site and that potential hotel aspirations?

I really hope Main Street tower still happens or at least resolves quickly. I don't really understand the agreement between hines/rda but I hope they can find someone to build something bigger if it is dead