YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[ninjakafi_81]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Yes the PPT party is ending… as the world slowly returns to some sort of normalcy.

Meanwhile CZ still flying multiple cargo flights per week on pax aircraft (mainly 789s) from CGO and CAN. Plane spotters won’t know the difference!

And… Sunwing about to kick off sun flights again as well.

Definitely, though it will take sometime getting used to not having any PPT flights after almost a year and a half. I'm hoping the weather clears up next week so I can go do some spotting.

It also seems like CZ sends a cargo flight from PKX every Wednesday using the A330.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by ninjakafi_81

Definitely, though it will take sometime getting used to not having any PPT flights after almost a year and a half. I'm hoping the weather clears up next week so I can go do some spotting.

It also seems like CZ sends a cargo flight from PKX every Wednesday using the A330.

Yes China Southern CZ is operating cargo flights to Vancouver YVR although passengers flights are between Vancouver Canada 🇨🇦 & Guangzhou are suspended to end of March 2022.

Also looks China Eastern Airlines MU has pushed back resuming 1 weekly flights✈️ this upcoming winter between Vancouver - Nanjing China 🇨🇳 to January 2022.

[nname]

The Chinese flights will not change until the government restriction is dropped. As soon as that happens, then the CAN, NKG, and PVG flights will come back immediately. At the current rate, it's unlikely that the restriction will be removed before the end of the winter season...

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by nname

AC couldn't really make it work even before the pandemic. It go from standalone YYC-NRT, to combined YYZ-YYC-NRT, to summer seasonal, to now suspended till at least W22...

Even HU had trouble with its sole Chinese route to YYC according to posts from the YYC thread...

This is my last comment about YYC because I don't want to derail this thread. But considering NRT was around from 2009-2019, I would think it was able to work. I don't think they'd keep it for that long, even with a tag on if it was doing very poorly. I think WS is much better suited for YYC-Asia to make it work, rather than AC.

Anyways YVR has been seeing fantastic growth internationally. Hopefully, AC's YVR-CDG will be back someday. Maybe AF will go daily in the summer soon?

[nname]

Originally Posted by hehehe

Anyways YVR has been seeing fantastic growth internationally. Hopefully, AC's YVR-CDG will be back someday. Maybe AF will go daily in the summer soon?

AF planned to go daily next year from June to Aug. May and Sept will be 5x weekly instead of 3x. Don't know what's the plan for Oct and beyond.

[Johnny Aussie]

^ correct and ^^correct

Can’t do anything with China (passenger) routes until the restriction is dropped.

Meanwhile the sky is full of Chinese carriers and their ongoing cargo flights. And yes CZ has been flying from Daxing and Qingdao as well.

YVR-ASIA will be huge again in no time.

[Johnny Aussie]

Nordwind’s 77W has made yet another YVR visit.

In from Khabarovsk and now on its way to Yekaterinburg. How exotic!

VP-BJL

[Johnny Aussie]

SQ flights now loaded for sale.

SIN-YVR 14h15m
YVR-SIN 16h50m *ouch*

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

^ correct and ^^correct

Can’t do anything with China (passenger) routes until the restriction is dropped.

Meanwhile the sky is full of Chinese carriers and their ongoing cargo flights. And yes CZ has been flying from Daxing and Qingdao as well.

YVR-ASIA will be huge again in no time.

Really taking a toll though....

Air Canada is not even hiring for YVR in the new year, something I haven't seen in a very long time. Gonna have to rethink my schedule or change base.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

Really taking a toll though....

Air Canada is not even hiring for YVR in the new year, something I haven't seen in a very long time. Gonna have to rethink my schedule or change base.

YVR seems to be growing with new carriers versus AC growing. However it’s still going to be ages before things get back to any sort of normalcy. Down here QF in the same boat… a very looong road to recovery and slowly bringing back the furloughed.
I think the long term prospects for YVR are still excellent!
What do you mean change your base?

[Alexcaban]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

YVR seems to be growing with new carriers versus AC growing. However it’s still going to be ages before things get back to any sort of normalcy. Down here QF in the same boat… a very looong road to recovery and slowly bringing back the furloughed.
I think the long term prospects for YVR are still excellent!
What do you mean change your base?

With the lack of AC international flights lately, chances are based on my seniority, I'll rarely get to fly international. As it's been an issue lately at YVR, same thing can't be said over at AC's YYZ & YUL bases however.

But you're right when you say Asia opens up, AC will be all over it again, can't have foreign airlines taking the market.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by Alexcaban

With the lack of AC international flights lately, chances are based on my seniority, I'll rarely get to fly international. As it's been an issue lately at YVR, same thing can't be said over at AC's YYZ & YUL bases however.

But you're right when you say Asia opens up, AC will be all over it again, can't have foreign airlines taking the market.

Oh ok. I am assuming you are AC cabin or flight crew then? And you’re YVR based? Your location has you down as YUL/YVR.
YVR will bounce back. Just a matter of time.

[Johnny Aussie]

Just heard some devastating news that Flair has cancelled their YVR-YQU route.
Hey at least we have 5 daily flights to SEA on DL!

[nname]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

Just heard some devastating news that Flair has cancelled their YVR-YQU route.

The resource seems to be moved to YVR-YQR.

The route is still on schedule though, but will probably be removed soon.

Also YVR-YXS had just been added back, but currently can't be done within the 2 planes based in YVR. I wonder if they'll ever add a third plane here...

[thenoflyzone]

East Asia/Australia recovery might take another 12 to 18 months.

Right now, Transatlantic recovery is leading the way, even more so than domestic. Which explains why AC hasn't done much with YVR in the last 2 years, excluding DEL. VFR/ethnic markets are key drivers of the recovery.

Very interesting insight by Mark Galardo - AC Senior VP Network Planning - this week from World Routes Milan.

https://simpleflying.com/air-canada-transatlantic-recovery/

The last two paragraphs of the article are interesting. Will AC continue to serve these VFR markets once their core markets rebound, or not? That is the question.

[Johnny Aussie]

Originally Posted by nname

The resource seems to be moved to YVR-YQR.

The route is still on schedule though, but will probably be removed soon.

Also YVR-YXS had just been added back, but currently can't be done within the 2 planes based in YVR. I wonder if they'll ever add a third plane here...

There is hope afterall then! Flair has a flair for flipping routes around all the time.

[hehehe]

Originally Posted by Johnny Aussie

There is hope afterall then! Flair has a flair for flipping routes around all the time.

I'm not sure how long they'll last for, considering they're in quite a bit of debt with I believe 18% interesting on a loan of 140 million. A shame considering they were making a nice operation out of YVR, although their loss would barely be a dent for an airport as large as YVR.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by johnny aussie

sq flights now loaded for sale.

Sin-yvr 14h15m
yvr-sin 16h50m *ouch*

Exotic!

[ninjakafi_81]

Looks like Air New Zealand will be starting up some cargo flights to Vancouver in November.

https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-release-airnz-heads-back-to-vancouver-with-cargo-scheme


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With Asia and Australia taking upwards of 12-18 more months to recover and with AC pushing for more VFR flights. Would they bother starting up a few new leisure flights out of YVR or continue to funnel people through YYZ and YUL.

[Johnny Aussie]

^ more excellent news.
Coincidentally the end date for their thrice weekly cargo flights coincides with the start date of their return to YVR-AKL passenger flights.