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Old Posted Dec 10, 2022, 9:14 PM
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Old Posted Dec 10, 2022, 9:21 PM
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As much as I love Kane's game and his technique, which is just a pleasure to watch at club level, I do wonder if him not playing at a top tier club has hampered him in these major tournaments. Quite frankly, he's done pretty much jack other than score through penalties (terrible goals to game ratio). Having the extra intensity of playing for a big boy club, especially deep in the UCL, could have been beneficial to him in tournaments.

Now, back to those small moments. If the ref actually made the right call of a penalty right off the bat, with all that joy and momentum right then and there, does Kane bury it? Instead, they had to wait around and shout, shout, shout and all that nonsense. Perhaps that altered his mentality. And like I said a couple of days ago, why ins't middle a more popular option? I was saying go middle, go middle. I can't even remember the last time he went middle. Just going off memory, it feels like he does the same thing so often.

As for blatant foul, not even two hours after I wrote about dumb ass things from pro athletes, WTF was he doing? Most long balls like that don't connect, so there's that. Commentators were saying it didn't look like Mount would have reached it too. Defenders know this. Yet Hernandez doesn't look at the ball, he just straight up wanted to bowl Mount over like a DB tackling a WR.

It must really suck being an England fan. Their record against the top teams is garbage. Now, if they could win more of the shootouts then it wouldn't be so bad but they very much could have avoided getting to that point last year if they just played normally after the early goal.

As much as ENG have improved the last few years, it's not really because of Southgate. Some of his decisions could very well have gotten them deep at Euro but some of his decisions also held them back. Time for him to go. I remember last year we were questioning some of his subs. I don't know why you take off Saka. He was having a pretty nice game. For as skilled as Foden is, it felt like he should be the one making way for Sterling.

I think Henderson is useful but I much rather would like to have seen Mount start any day over Henderson. It's hard to have Mount, Foden, Sterling, Saka, Grealish, Rashford and Bellingham in your squad and figure out who should start. I don't think it's hard to know that Henderson shouldn't be. ENG has the squad and style to win the WC and EU. Don't let the window close. I would love it if they would rotate coaches for each tournament but we know that doesn't happen in pro sports because no one has the balls to upset the apple cart. Well, the last two owners of Chelsea do. Both UCL titles came after firing their coach and the new guy immediately won. And they were both gone soon after. Both titles under Abramovich but the new owner this year fired Tuchel after a poor stretch and probably clash of personalities.

And as much as I hate to say it, ENG might actually be better off not having Kane start. Play like Spain with a false 9 going back a decade when they won in 2012 (Torres was their only FW of note, but he declined massively the past two seasons at club level). Look at Man City. They've played excellent football without a striker for a while until Halaand came along. If your striker is not in form, and Kane pretty much never is in tournaments, then you can play without one for a half and see what happens. Would take balls from a manager to try that.

As for Brazil... I really believe in intangibles. I think Brazil is better with Neymar, because they don't have a lot after him like in the past, but if he was not such a bitch (esp. in 2018) and had more of a leader's mentality, they would better. They have leader types like Thiago Silva and Casemiro, but it wouldn't hurt if Neymar showed more intensity on the pitch. If he would at least cut out the theatrics, that would be a start. For instance, do his teammates respect him like I would imagine teammates respected Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Kaka? Even with Rivaldo's antics against Turkey at WC 2002, I bet guys had more respect for him because he was such a skilled and impactful player, but also because he wasn't dying his hair and trying to find the craziest outfit from a thrift store. Like Colin Cowherd always said, it's preferable if your QB, you know, the leader and the one with the most scrutiny, isn't "backwards cap guy".

Should also point out that they lost the Copa last year, but they won in 2019... without him in the squad. But I don't think they'd be better at this WC without him. They may have been betting favourites, but that's because there was no standout squad like France in 2018. This Brazil definitely can't match some of their all time great squads, which is fine. It's cyclical.

This was ENG's opportunity. A France missing Pogba and Benzema with Morrocco as the next opponent and probably an ARG side that has an aged Messi and rest of squad that is nowhere near their past great squads like from 2002 to 2006. 2010 to 2014 was better too. Such a shame.

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Old Posted Dec 11, 2022, 4:48 AM
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As much as I love Kane's game and his technique, which is just a pleasure to watch at club level, I do wonder if him not playing at a top tier club has hampered him in these major tournaments. Quite frankly, he's done pretty much jack other than score through penalties (terrible goals to game ratio). Having the extra intensity of playing for a big boy club, especially deep in the UCL, could have been beneficial to him in tournaments.

Now, back to those small moments. If the ref actually made the right call of a penalty right off the bat, with all that joy and momentum right then and there, does Kane bury it? Instead, they had to wait around and shout, shout, shout and all that nonsense. Perhaps that altered his mentality. And like I said a couple of days ago, why ins't middle a more popular option? I was saying go middle, go middle. I can't even remember the last time he went middle. Just going off memory, it feels like he does the same thing so often.

As for blatant foul, not even two hours after I wrote about dumb ass things from pro athletes, WTF was he doing? Most long balls like that don't connect, so there's that. Commentators were saying it didn't look like Mount would have reached it too. Defenders know this. Yet Hernandez doesn't look at the ball, he just straight up wanted to bowl Mount over like a DB tackling a WR.

It must really suck being an England fan. Their record against the top teams is garbage. Now, if they could win more of the shootouts then it wouldn't be so bad but they very much could have avoided getting to that point last year if they just played normally after the early goal.

As much as ENG have improved the last few years, it's not really because of Southgate. Some of his decisions could very well have gotten them deep at Euro but some of his decisions also held them back. Time for him to go. I remember last year we were questioning some of his subs. I don't know why you take off Saka. He was having a pretty nice game. For as skilled as Foden is, it felt like he should be the one making way for Sterling.

I think Henderson is useful but I much rather would like to have seen Mount start any day over Henderson. It's hard to have Mount, Foden, Sterling, Saka, Grealish, Rashford and Bellingham in your squad and figure out who should start. I don't think it's hard to know that Henderson shouldn't be. ENG has the squad and style to win the WC and EU. Don't let the window close. I would love it if they would rotate coaches for each tournament but we know that doesn't happen in pro sports because no one has the balls to upset the apple cart. Well, the last two owners of Chelsea do. Both UCL titles came after firing their coach and the new guy immediately won. And they were both gone soon after. Both titles under Abramovich but the new owner this year fired Tuchel after a poor stretch and probably clash of personalities.

And as much as I hate to say it, ENG might actually be better off not having Kane start. Play like Spain with a false 9 going back a decade when they won in 2012 (Torres was their only FW of note, but he declined massively the past two seasons at club level). Look at Man City. They've played excellent football without a striker for a while until Halaand came along. If your striker is not in form, and Kane pretty much never is in tournaments, then you can play without one for a half and see what happens. Would take balls from a manager to try that.

As for Brazil... I really believe in intangibles. I think Brazil is better with Neymar, because they don't have a lot after him like in the past, but if he was not such a bitch (esp. in 2018) and had more of a leader's mentality, they would better. They have leader types like Thiago Silva and Casemiro, but it wouldn't hurt if Neymar showed more intensity on the pitch. If he would at least cut out the theatrics, that would be a start. For instance, do his teammates respect him like I would imagine teammates respected Ronaldo, Ronaldinho or Kaka? Even with Rivaldo's antics against Turkey at WC 2002, I bet guys had more respect for him because he was such a skilled and impactful player, but also because he wasn't dying his hair and trying to find the craziest outfit from a thrift store. Like Colin Cowherd always said, it's preferable if your QB, you know, the leader and the one with the most scrutiny, isn't "backwards cap guy".

Should also point out that they lost the Copa last year, but they won in 2019... without him in the squad. But I don't think they'd be better at this WC without him. They may have been betting favourites, but that's because there was no standout squad like France in 2018. This Brazil definitely can't match some of their all time great squads, which is fine. It's cyclical.

This was ENG's opportunity. A France missing Pogba and Benzema with Morrocco as the next opponent and probably an ARG side that has an aged Messi and rest of squad that is nowhere near their past great squads like from 2002 to 2006. 2010 to 2014 was better too. Such a shame.
Agree with everything, though I think Southgate is going to catch heat for taking Saka off and not getting Grealish and Sterling in there soon enough. Saka was having a nice game.

Though in the end I think that justice was served. Two nice goals is better than two penalty kicks, so the miss was kharma deserved.
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2022, 7:30 AM
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But the referee definitely has to be investigated
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Old Posted Dec 11, 2022, 4:49 PM
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But the referee definitely has to be investigated
The amount of people saying "biased ref" when their team has lost in this WC has been embarrassing...

It's not his his fault 1) Kane missed a penalty and 2) England weren't clinical enough to finish on their large number of opportunities

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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 3:50 AM
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2 penalties man, I wouldn't care what a ref did against my side, if I got two penals that should really be two goals, then the team has no one to blame but themselves.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 7:03 AM
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 1:57 PM
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But back to 2026 FIFA World Cup though, I mean I hear FIFA could abandon 3 team groups for 2026 and it goes right back to being 4 teams in every group which it should always be 4 teams in every group. 12 groups of 4 teams equals 48 teams since 2026 FIFA World Cup is going to be 48 teams from now on. It makes it more fair but also top 2 teams advance and 8 best 3rd place teams advance into Round of 32 knockout stage...seems pretty fair to me
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Why does it bother you so much that people are talking about the World Cup in a soccer thread about the World Cup, which Canada was participating in until recently?
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 2:35 PM
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Plus with Canada...with our men's team since we are hosting in 2026, we are going to need as many friendlies and many competitions to help us prepare so that being said we have the Gold Cup coming up this summer but also the summer after that in 2024 we are apparently going to be playing in CONMEBOL Copa America 2024 but then so will the USA and Mexico because they too were invited
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 5:54 PM
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Why does it bother you so much that people are talking about the World Cup in a soccer thread about the World Cup, which Canada was participating in until recently?
Because over the past 40 years it's been hard enough to get people to stop hating on the Canadian program and also advocating for "their own" countries against us. I don't recall seeing too many of you guys supporting the Canadian soccer thread very much before. It doesn't serve Canadian soccer much to now see a flurry of posts about other countries in a clearly marked Canadian thread

BTW, learn how to use the quote function.
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Just because Canada has been eliminated doesn't mean the WC stopped existing...

It's clear that a group of Canadians on the forum want to keep having normal, civil discussions about the tournament and you want that to end? Maybe it is more active recently, but the biggest tournament in the world is on. It should be expected that people are showing more interest in the sport right now, this always happens in North American society -- the WC draws fans who aren't as diehard.

What's wrong with using this thread as a place for promoting soccer culture in general within the country. We should be encouraging people to get involved, show interest, discuss and connect over soccer, etc., not discouraging it. Maybe we'll be able to draw in and keep some of those non-diehards as fans of the beautiful game.

Stop trying to gatekeep the thread from people who "aren't as committed fans" as you elly.
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 6:12 PM
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Just because Canada has been eliminated doesn't mean the WC stopped existing...

It's clear that a group of Canadians on the forum want to keep having normal, civil discussions about the tournament and you want that to end? Maybe it is more active recently, but the biggest tournament in the world is on. It should he expected that people are showing more interest in the sport right now, this always happens in North American society.

What's wrong with using this thread as a place for promoting soccer culture in general within the country. We should be encouraging people to get involved, show interest, discuss and connect over soccer, etc., not discouraging it. Stop gatekeeping.
That being said Argentina vs Croatia is tomorrow afternoon at 2PM
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Yup, can't wait. I'm curious to see if tensions boil over like they did in Argentina vs. Croatia
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Stop trying to gatekeep the thread from people who "aren't as committed fans" as you elly.
After 50 years of seeing people in Canada supporting teams other than Canada, I'm used to it, doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it. You could have started a World Cup thread because as of elimination what you are posting has nothing to do with Canadian soccer, the subject of this thread. Hope you are as active posting about Canadian soccer issues and stories when the WC is done.
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After 50 years of seeing people in Canada supporting teams other than Canada, I'm used to it, doesn't mean I have to like it or keep quiet about it.
People supporting other teams when Canada didn't qualify for the World Cup? What a concept.

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You could have started a World Cup thread because as of elimination what you are posting has nothing to do with Canadian soccer, the subject of this thread. Hope you are as active posting about Canadian soccer issues and stories when the WC is done.
There's only been ~1 page of unrelated posts since Canada was eliminated. People are excited about the sport, connecting over it, and coming to this thread when they likely otherwise wouldn't have, so more people will also be seeing these Canadian soccer posts you make (and are great at providing!). Real fans of the sport would be happy to see more and more people being engaged in soccer and growing its popularity in Canada

There's also less than a week left of the tournament, after which there'll likely be a decline in "unrelated" posts. Is that tolerable, or is a week too much time for a cry baby like yourself to have to read posts about soccer that aren't about the Canadian team specifically.

Starting a new thread for every professional league/tournament is also little redundant, especially given the soccer thread itself isn't given a lot of attention and the World Cup is ~1 month long.
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People supporting other teams when Canada didn't qualify for the World Cup? What a concept.



There's only been ~1 page of unrelated posts since Canada was eliminated. People are excited about the sport, connecting over it, and coming to this thread when they likely otherwise wouldn't have, so more people will also be seeing these Canadian soccer posts you make (and are great at providing!). Real fans of the sport would be happy to see more and more people being engaged in soccer and growing its popularity in Canada

There's also less than a week left of the tournament, after which there'll likely be a decline in "unrelated" posts. Is that tolerable, or is a week too much time for a cry baby like yourself to have to read posts about soccer that aren't about the Canadian team specifically.

Starting a new thread for every professional league/tournament is also little redundant, especially given the soccer thread itself isn't given a lot of attention and the World Cup is ~1 month long.
Like Canada is eliminated like what else do you want us to talk about? I mean seriously the FIFA World Cup is a tournament that comes around once every four years and you expect people to stop talking about it because Canada is not there anymore. Canada went out in the group stages and the thing is Canada had their chances to advance but were just not good enough going up against the Belgiums, Croatias and Moroccos of the world but yet in qualifying for Qatar, they were practically perfect. Funny how that works. Maybe Canada next time should have a better team or better coaching when it comes to overall tactics when it comes to approaching games. But they have another 4 years to figure it all out as hosts in 2026.
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Well. The Morocco games were 3/4 full with their own fans. Seems a lot more are about to join them in the next 2 days.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/221212-qratdec22

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That being said Argentina vs Croatia is tomorrow afternoon at 2PM
Though it's a long shot, I wouldn't be opposed to a Croatia-Morocco final.
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I actually hope we get an Argentina/Morocco final
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