Chief William Commanda Bridge (former Prince of Wales Bridge)

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Ottawa would accept this in a flash over Portage, I should think. Is Alexandra still in play?

The NCC seems to be the only one who want Alexandra for the loop. Probably the best chance of happening. It would also be the only way to double the capacity of the STO tram.

Originally Posted by acottawa

Why? The only destination on the other side of the river is UQAM, which I can’t imagine is a huge draw for Ottawa residents.

Bring it all the way to the Casino to add a destination.

I can't imagine a whole lot of people from Ottawa would use CWC, but from Gatineau, they could use it to reach Carleton, Confederation Heights, and transfer to Line 1 West to Tunney's. The benefit for Ottawa is saving capacity on the Downtown section of Line 1.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Bring it all the way to the Casino to add a destination.

I can't imagine a whole lot of people from Ottawa would use CWC, but from Gatineau, they could use it to reach Carleton, Confederation Heights, and transfer to Line 1 West to Tunney's. The benefit for Ottawa is saving capacity on the Downtown section of Line 1.

That is a potential benefit, but it would be mostly counter flow passengers (i.e. people boarding downtown in the morning rush hour and heading into downtown in the evening rush hour), so a pretty marginal benefit.

[lrt's friend]

I have never understood the great benefit of this. Rail needs to connect the greater city with fast frequent service. We are doing neither. We have huge jurisdictional issues that prevent efficient interprovincial transit. We can only have stub service across the river that just add inconvenient transfers and fare pay systems that fail to be completely cross functional. Our vision will never take Ottawa and Gatineau to the next level for transit usability. Where is our 21st century version of Andy Haydon.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Why? The only destination on the other side of the river is UQAM, which I can’t imagine is a huge draw for Ottawa residents.

How far would you have the line penetrate?

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The NCC seems to be the only one who want Alexandra for the loop. Probably the best chance of happening. It would also be the only way to double the capacity of the STO tram.

Is there any place written down that the replacement bridge will be capable of handling rail transit in the future? And in what configuration?

Because the only language I've seen is very cagey.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

I can't imagine a whole lot of people from Ottawa would use CWC, but from Gatineau, they could use it to reach Carleton, Confederation Heights, and transfer to Line 1 West to Tunney's. The benefit for Ottawa is saving capacity on the Downtown section of Line 1.

The island of Hull could easily be reinvented as student housing.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Is there any place written down that the replacement bridge will be capable of handling rail transit in the future? And in what configuration?

Because the only language I've seen is very cagey.

The NCC has been very clear that trams could run in what will initially be car lanes, either in mixed traffic or exclusively. I'm hoping cars will never be able to cross the new bridge and that trams will be running on that bridge from day 1 (or day 672 if it takes that long to open the tram portion, just no cars ever).

[OTownandDown]

If we had our sh*t together, we could more-or-less easily run Line 2 across PoW bridge, and then just follow the goddam rail line (which is also already a bus transitway) all the way to the Gatineau Airport. Which is also where the Kettle Island bridge might one day end up.

A bougie option would see a quick right hand turn on the quebec side, and a tunnel under Prom. du Portage, extending out on the 50 and meeting the transitway out there by Costco.

If we had ability to inter-line trains, we could also run to the west to Aylmer following most of the original plan.

Again Bayview would become a major transfer station.

OR even better, once you take this 'Quebec' train to Bayview, it runs in a parallel tunnel through downtown and out Montreal Road, thus linking two similar but disparate communities.

Stockholm comes to mind, and their plethora of 4-or-5 interlined trains running on a crazy frequency through their core.

[BanjoUnchained]

According to the city the bridge will be closed for Canada Day, from Monday, June 30 at 8 pm to Wednesday, July 2 at 2 am. I assume this is due to the Fireworks.

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/city-...ead-canada-day

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

How far would you have the line penetrate?

Anything further would be along the existing Rapibus corridor, but way slower and less frequent.

The bridge was located for the specific purpose of bypassing freight away from the commercial and residential area of Ottawa and Hull. There is nothing there is a feature, not a bug.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by lrt's friend

I have never understood the great benefit of this. Rail needs to connect the greater city with fast frequent service. We are doing neither. We have huge jurisdictional issues that prevent efficient interprovincial transit. We can only have stub service across the river that just add inconvenient transfers

A service even as far as downtown Hull would not be a "stub" for many thousands of origin-destination pairs.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

The NCC has been very clear that trams could run in what will initially be car lanes, either in mixed traffic or exclusively.

If they say the bridge could handle trams, they should say so, rather than the current weasel-wording.

The only way they could be running exclusively is by entirely eliminating car traffic. That isn't gonna happen.

I'm hoping cars will never be able to cross the new bridge and that trams will be running on that bridge from day 1 (or day 672 if it takes that long to open the tram portion, just no cars ever).

The only transit we'll ever see will be buses, maybe, and with no exclusivity.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

A service even as far as downtown Hull would not be a "stub" for many thousands of origin-destination pairs.

There is no route to downtown hull. If you want to get into some sort of greenfield or tunnel project then why are we using the bridge?

[OTownandDown]

I calculated last year about 10km of fencing, probably more, in order to make the site super-duper-uber secure. Wasteful? Probably. Frustrating for pedestrians? Definitely.

This includes any reasonable footpath to cross the bridge from Bayview Station. God forbid people walk behind the safe perimeter of the fireworks, or *gasp* watch from the bridge, or be able to walk home from the show.

Again, I'm an advocate for one, possibly two layers of fencing circling the concert grounds, and the fireworks laydown area/safe perimeter on the Kitchi-Zibi Miikan about 500m west of the stage. This is a couple of very simple circles to lay down.

After that, let the people do what they want.

Originally Posted by BanjoUnchained

According to the city the bridge will be closed for Canada Day, from Monday, June 30 at 8 pm to Wednesday, July 2 at 2 am. I assume this is due to the Fireworks.

https://ottawa.ca/en/city-hall/city-...ead-canada-day

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

There is no route to downtown hull.

Sure there is, if we as a society decide there is.

And the purpose of using the bridge would be that it crosses the river. Otherwise the trains would get stuck frequently.

[acottawa]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Sure there is, if we as a society decide there is.

And the purpose of using the bridge would be that it crosses the river. Otherwise the trains would get stuck frequently.

Bayview is 2.5 km from PdC via the bridge. Pimisi is 1.2 km from PdC. If you just want an old bridge use Chaudière, or spend 3 minutes pm a bus instead of a long slow rail trip.

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by acottawa

Bayview is 2.5 km from PdC via the bridge. Pimisi is 1.2 km from PdC. If you just want an old bridge use Chaudière, or spend 3 minutes pm a bus instead of a long slow rail trip.

Use Chaudiere... coming from where?

And three minutes on a bus? Hoo boy.

[Uhuniau]

Speaking of the bridge... Gatineau (and the NCC?) really need to get their act together about the northern approaches and find a way to draw some of that traffic a little further into the Quebec side.

People have no idea that there are other things to do just a few minutes to the left or the right after you get to that northern T-intersection.

[Kitchissippi]

Originally Posted by Uhuniau

Speaking of the bridge... Gatineau (and the NCC?) really need to get their act together about the northern approaches and find a way to draw some of that traffic a little further into the Quebec side.

People have no idea that there are other things to do just a few minutes to the left or the right after you get to that northern T-intersection.

Maybe we need a "Tavern on the T"

[Uhuniau]

Originally Posted by kitchissippi

maybe we need a "tavern on the t"

zomg yes?!?