Statistics Canada Reports II

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

At this point I'm willing to let the Tories have a shot at the net. Trying something different is the only way to see if it is better than what we currently have now.

The irony is, by the point we can finally get rid of JT, the Scheme will be hard to reverse, our economy will be too hooked, like an addict, to the drug of cheap influx of fresh warm bodies. (I’m personally betting a lot on PP not being able to change course much.)

It would have been healthier for Tories + BQ + NDP to rip the Trudeau bandaid as the pandemic was winding down (~2022).

[niwell]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

It's certainly possible depending on how it's being measured. If the data for each country is simply provided by each country using its own metrics then it wouldn't surprise me in the least since statscan has a fairly broad range of conditions it classifies as "unhoused". But if it's all being measured using a consistent method then yes it would definitely surprise me. Especially for the difference to be that big. The post just says that it's according to Habitant for Humanity without linking to any specific details so HFH could have either done their own original research or they could have just aggregated the various data.

I was thinking the same thing. Recently saw another list that put the UK at the top of G20 nations in overall homelessness but in the middle of the pack for visible homelessness.

Anecdotally the major US cities I've been to recently (and had visited in the past) have seen a similar spike in homelessness/encampments to us.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Justanothermember

At this point I'm willing to let the Tories have a shot at the net. Trying something different is the only way to see if it is better than what we currently have now.

Something different? Sure, why not. We've never had an NDP government at the federal level so that actually would be different. We just had the tories barely a decade ago and I still haven't recovered.

[goodgrowth]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

One of the most striking figures out of this report is that Alberta was the only province to register both an inter-provincial gain and a net natural population growth. If immigration dropped to zero tomorrow, all of our 5 largest provinces would suffer population decline save Alberta.

This is a good chunk of the reason why we have a massive housing crisis and a healthcare system on the verge of collapse. How can demographers plan for future needs when population growth forecasts are not based upon scientific measure but rather immigration which is a political decision? There was an ability to do so traditionally as the Libs/Cons had generally allotted for population {and immigration rates} roughly equate to 1% a year.........a manageable level.

Of course, then came Trudeau who has thrown this mutual understanding straight out the window leaving Canada woefully unprepared for the massive influx made vastly worse by the fact that the qualifications for getting into the country requires one to just be able to fog a mirror.

The general international immigration growth has sort of obfuscated the internal dynamics of the country, of which there are some clear trends:

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Do you guys believe that Canada has one of the highest homelessness rates in the world, three times that of the US?

https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1793284866496225343

Absolutely. Now, we may be using different definitions of homelessness but it certainly seems conceivable. Housing prices are absolutely out of control across the country and the pace of construction is slowing down. Frankly, we're fucked.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by Nite

The 20 fastest growing cities between Canada and the US



and in percentage

I can believe Toronto would one day ahve the most growth in north America in absolute numbers. What is mind boggling, how far ahead Toronto is from any city in North America. Dallas and Houston both technically ahve more people in their metro areas, but did not even come close to Toronto growth.

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by Marshsparrow

this population growth and seeing cities previously with no growth experiencing it... thank you Justin!!!

I can't decide if you're being facetious or not but while I would normally welcome this kind of population growth, what we have now is disastrous for the country. If it were possible for me, personally, to fire Justin Trudeau and have him locked up for gross negligence leading to misery and suffering for people across the country, I would have done so.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by goodgrowth

Seems quite feasible that Calgary's CMA population will reach 2M by 2030 even if growth slackens...

I guess I should bring up Okotoks!

Seriously though, even without adding the 100K to the south of Calgary, there is a possibility of Calgary hitting 2M by then. Housing starts in Calgary for 2023, and so far in 2024 are much higher than they were in 2022. I think there's another good sized population bump coming at this time next year. After that, it's hard to say how much things will slow down. Calgary's cheap housing isn't so cheap anymore.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

And all of the fastest growing US cities are below the Mason-Dixon Line. Just fucking incredible.......

Otherwise known as below the frost line

A friend of mine who is a die hard left wing socialist moved from Minneapolis to Houston last year. I figured she would hate it down there, but she is loving it. She doesn't lie the politics of Texas, but she's finding a lot of other things are outweighing that.

[jc_yyc_ca]

Originally Posted by DesignerGuy

Ottawa/Gatineau is officially bigger than Edmonton again. 1,609,000 and only 70,000 or so less than Calgary. It's incredible to see this kind of growth almost across the board for all major cities in Canada

Originally Posted by Zeej

Appears that Ottawa benefited from an upward revision of previous years' estimates to retake 5th place (did it add a surrounding town into the CMA boundary?), as Edmonton recorded a considerably larger increase (relative to their gap) from 2022-2023. Interestingly Ottawa CMA is the only CMA over 1M to see its growth rate decrease from 2022.

That's correct. Ottawa added more area (and 100k of people) to their CMA not long ago, in 2021 if I recall, and actually took back 4th spot for a while.

[Metro-One]

Originally Posted by jc_yyc_ca

Otherwise known as below the frost line

A friend of mine who is a die hard left wing socialist moved from Minneapolis to Houston last year. I figured she would hate it down there, but she is loving it. She doesn't lie the politics of Texas, but she's finding a lot of other things are outweighing that.

I always find this to be an interesting catch 22.

Because, as much as she will never admit it, the outcomes of the local politics in Houston / Texas are likely responsible for at least some of the aspects that she likes in the city.

[Wigs]

While Calgary is the leader of the beta 3, Ottawa and Edmonton CMA are still not that far behind. Ottawa has a crazy amount of construction going on. Edmonton recently opened the first leg of their Valley LRT line (13km of the 27km total line when completed in 2028)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_Line_(Edmonton)

Nice to see Winnipeg breach the 900k mark. 1M isn't too far away! Maybe start planning for light rail? Pipe dream, I know.

Saskatoon continues to be pulling ahead faster from Regina.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Metro-One

I always find this to be an interesting catch 22.

Because, as much as she will never admit it, the outcomes of the local politics in Houston / Texas are likely responsible for at least some of the aspects that she likes in the city.

The thing is, Houston city proper - particularly the central parts - isn't aligned with the overall political environment of Texas. Which is the norm in most of the US where you have blue (democratic-learning) cities surrounded by red (republican-leaning) suburbs and rural areas. So yes, the local politics of Houston, like the local politics of Minneapolis, is probably responsible for much of the stuff she likes in both places. There isn't really any catch 22 because much of the divide between red and blue states is in the percentage of rural and suburban vs urban population. Sure there will be some differences in the political leanings between cities and between respective rural areas, but nothing like the red vs blue state distinction implies.

For example, if you look at the history of Houston mayors, the last time there was a republican mayor was in the early 80s. And out of all mayors aligned with a political party in the city's history, 17 have been democratic and 2 have been republican. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Houston

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Do you guys believe that Canada has one of the highest homelessness rates in the world, three times that of the US?

https://x.com/stats_feed/status/1793284866496225343

No, because it doesn't. The idea that Canada has a rate of 62.5 people per 10,000 homeless can be a found in a list on wikipedia. The rate is based on a number of 235,000 homeless in Canada. The problem is that the Statistics Canada report that it's based on says "On a single day in 2018, more than 25,216 individuals across 61 communities lived in a situation of homelessness, in a shelter or not (ESDC, 2018). Similarly, it is estimated that an average of 235,000 people in Canada experience one of the many types of homelessness each year (Canadian Observatory on Homelessness, 2014)".

The US rate of homelessness at 19.5 per 10,000 is based on a HUD study based on point-in-time estimates in 2023. "The report found more than 650,000 people were experiencing homelessness on a single night in January 2023, a 12% increase from 2022."

So if we use a like-for-like methodology and use the Canadian point-in-time number of 25,216, in the 61 locations in Canada (which had a population of around 30 million in 2018), then the rate of homelessness is less than half the rate in the US at 8.4 per 10,000.

As a direct comparison between West Coast cities; Vancouver had a 2023 point-in-time count in 2023 of 4,821 homeless, (sheltered and unsheltered) and a population (we now know) of 2.97m. That's a rate of 16.2 homeless per 10,000.

In King County just down the I5 to the south, (Greater Seattle), there were 14,149 homeless in 2023 and a population of 2.27m, which equates to 62.3 homeless / 10,000 population.

LA County had a 2023 population of 9.66m (dropping in the past 3 years), and a rising homeless count of 75,518, or 78.1 per 10,000.

73% of LA's homeless were unsheltered, 54% of Seattle's and 30% of Vancouver's.

[kora]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

What is mind boggling, how far ahead Toronto is from any city in North America. Dallas and Houston both technically ahve more people in their metro areas, but did not even come close to Toronto growth.

It's even more impressive considering how much immigration is powering that growth. Texas is a huge draw for immigrants but also from people moving from other parts of the US while Toronto is losing population to other parts of Canada.

[haljackey]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

I can believe Toronto would one day ahve the most growth in north America in absolute numbers. What is mind boggling, how far ahead Toronto is from any city in North America. Dallas and Houston both technically ahve more people in their metro areas, but did not even come close to Toronto growth.

Also with what I've been reading/seeing in the media, Austin and San Antonio have been growing like weeds. But only about 50k it seems, and a much lower % of population vs a city like Calgary.

US metros also cover a lot more land on average, which is why all the US cities on this list (except Jacksonville) have communities no one has heard of on them.

Ex- Austin-Round Rock-New Braunfels Islands? WTF are those places?

Heck London (ON) will soon overtake Miami proper in terms of city population. Possibly by next census.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

The thing is, Houston city proper - particularly the central parts - isn't aligned with the overall political environment of Texas. Which is the norm in most of the US where you have blue (democratic-learning) cities surrounded by red (republican-leaning) suburbs and rural areas. So yes, the local politics of Houston, like the local politics of Minneapolis, is probably responsible for much of the stuff she likes in both places. There isn't really any catch 22 because much of the divide between red and blue states is in the percentage of rural and suburban vs urban population. Sure there will be some differences in the political leanings between cities and between respective rural areas, but nothing like the red vs blue state distinction implies.

For example, if you look at the history of Houston mayors, the last time there was a republican mayor was in the early 80s. And out of all mayors aligned with a political party in the city's history, 17 have been democratic and 2 have been republican. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Houston

I’m gonna hazard a guess that cheap housing is one of the things she likes about Houston, and those pro development rural areas/suburbs and state politicians are probably a big part of that.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by theman23

I’m gonna hazard a guess that cheap housing is one of the things she likes about Houston, and those pro development rural areas/suburbs and state politicians are probably a big part of that.

That's a pretty big, canyon-sized leap. In part because we have no idea what she actually enjoys beyond that she is extremely left-leaning. But also because the planning - particularly zoning - in Houston is famously quite unique and different from other parts of the state so it's questionable how much influence the state had on that. But to the extent that the surrounding sprawl reduced housing costs, it also makes Houston less dense, urban, and vibrant than left-leaning people often prefer. So if I were to make an equally big leap, I'd say the influence of the wider region is just as likely responsible for the things she likes least.

[theman23]

Both are probably true, people often want conflicting things.

[Nouvellecosse]

The most obvious answer is that before she moved, she bought into a lot of Texas stereotypes and expected the city to be dominated by heehaws wearing cowboy hats, driving pickup trucks with bull-balls, flying confederate flags and shooting cans of bud light with machine guns. Then she got there and realized that the city is creative, artistic, diverse, tolerant, etc. and was like oh... cool.