Manitoba | Port of Churchill

[Stormer]

Originally Posted by FactaNV

The AOPS doesn't have offensive capabilities because that's not what they are needed to do. They're perfectly capable of of constabulary duties with the 25mm and the 50s. The Navy likes them, they provide an arctic capability that was lacking and are in demand for patrols in the Arctic or elsewhere. Remember, CAF prices include all maintenance, support, infrastructure, etc over the life cycle.

Yes they are coast guard vessels, but the Government counts them as navy ships, just like they count the yellow Cormorant SAR helos as air force. Gotta get that defence spending to DGP ratio up!

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by Stormer

Yes they are coast guard vessels, but the Government counts them as navy ships, just like they count the yellow Cormorant SAR helos as air force. Gotta get that defence spending to DGP ratio up!

They're constabulary patrol ships, not coastguard ships. An AOPS can sink a drug ship or conduct armed boarding, CCG not so much. These are perfectly acceptable for what we need them for. There will be plenty of naval combatants by the time the NSS is done. Over a dozen destroyers, a dozen attack submarines, possibly a dozen corvettes, a half dozen arctic patrol ships and some supply ships. Just need another few JSS and we become a global top ten navy. In fact, the big concern coming up will be to figure out how to actually crew these ships. National service should be seriously looked at going forward

[zalf]

^ Don't forget a couple small flat tops

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by zalf

^ Don't forget a couple small flat tops

Honestly, we don't need them. Light carriers aren't that useful and no way we can man fleet carriers. We're better off sticking in our lane and enabling our allies who have carriers, we France and the UK.

[bodaggin]

Navies in general are drastically overpriced. And basically obsolete. They're fine for the one-off occurrence of shipping lane squeezes but the smaller the Navy the better IMO.

A River Class Destroyer costs $5+ billion.

And it can be eliminated with 1 well-placed shot. Insane capital risk.

I can buy 100 Iron Dome batteries (or equivalent) with that same $5 billion. And they can shoot down every single missile that probably 10 enemy destroyers can shoot at me. Rendering the enemy $50B useless. Then one well placed shot and their $5B destroyer is at the bottom of the ocean. Navy economics are just terrible. Air force too.

SAM Missiles, drones, and space are where the biggest bang per military buck exists IMO. Of course, Canada has virtually none of these, while focusing solely on the lowest bang per buck items (Navy + Fighter Jets).

[1ajs]

at this pase churchills going to look very different in 10yrs
hell northern mb is going to be queit different

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/trump-tariff-megaprojects-1.7476739

[bodaggin]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

at this pase churchills going to look very different in 10yrs
hell northern mb is going to be queit different

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/trump-tariff-megaprojects-1.7476739

Nice share. They hit the nail on the head with "corridors". Pre-designated swaths of land that can be divvied up into lanes. For pipes, rails, roads, whatever. With unlimited future expansion room. Don't just build 1 pipeline then take a victory lap. The rail system in this country is a disaster. Corridors lower the entry barrier for new competitors. And finish TCH job! Nationalize it and twin it nationwide.

[bodaggin]

$175M from the feds for Churchill and Hudson Bay Rail. Over 5yrs though, so $35m/yr.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canad...ailway-and-port-of-churchill-canada.html

[FactaNV]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

$175M from the feds for Churchill and Hudson Bay Rail. Over 5yrs though, so $35m/yr.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canad...ailway-and-port-of-churchill-canada.html

Excellent news.

[VANRIDERFAN]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

Nice share. They hit the nail on the head with "corridors". Pre-designated swaths of land that can be divvied up into lanes. For pipes, rails, roads, whatever. With unlimited future expansion room. Don't just build 1 pipeline then take a victory lap. The rail system in this country is a disaster. Corridors lower the entry barrier for new competitors. And finish TCH job! Nationalize it and twin it nationwide.

I seem to recall when this was proposed before that it was derided by the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-national-energy-corridor-announcement-1.5301488

The LPC has principles. If you don’t like these ones, they have others you may like.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/pol...plan-for-national-energy-trade-corridor/

Edit to add: I am fully in support of corridors. No more god-damn studies, get to bloody work whom ever becomes the government.

[bomberjet]

Anybody remember the NEP? I'm 100% for all of the corridors, both expansion of a southern Canada E-W corridor and new corrdiors in the north.

Good news for Churchill, the funding keeps rolling in. I've lost track of all the more recent funding commitments for both the railway and the port.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by VANRIDERFAN

I seem to recall when this was proposed before that it was derided by the Liberals.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/scheer-national-energy-corridor-announcement-1.5301488

The LPC has principles. If you don’t like these ones, they have others you may like.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/pol...plan-for-national-energy-trade-corridor/

Edit to add: I am fully in support of corridors. No more god-damn studies, get to bloody work whom ever becomes the government.

the coridoors are on the books they justgotta develop them have been since tcpl built in the 60's

[optimusREIM]

While we're at it, might be the time to discuss a national strategic infrastructure plan, that should include a full roster of the following (plus potentially more):

- reducing interprovincial trade barriers,
- nationalizing the TCH and upgrading it to be fully grade separated along its length,
- adding new strategic economic corridors to the TCH system,
- improving rail infrastructure across the country,
- massive investment in energy infrastructure, including ports,
- massive investment in communications infrastructure,
- strategic investments in local infrastructure projects, and
- leveraging natural resources to fund everything.

The faster this gets done, the better. Time to become a serious 21st century nation.

[bodaggin]

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[pspeid]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

While we're at it, might be the time to discuss a national strategic infrastructure plan, that should include a full roster of the following (plus potentially more):

- reducing interprovincial trade barriers,
- nationalizing the TCH and upgrading it to be fully grade separated along its length,
- adding new strategic economic corridors to the TCH system,
- improving rail infrastructure across the country,
- massive investment in energy infrastructure, including ports,
- massive investment in communications infrastructure,
- strategic investments in local infrastructure projects, and
- leveraging natural resources to fund everything.

The faster this gets done, the better. Time to become a serious 21st century nation.

I think the first point is achievable. I don't think anyone could disagree with the rest of this wish list either, however....

....as of today both Liberals and Conservatives are trying to get votes with massive tax cuts, so no money there. I'm not sure what you mean by "leveraging natural resources", but it it means just unrestricted private development, then don't expect any on the $$ generated to get into the public coffers. "Unleashing" private enterprise without government oversight usually means big profits to private corporations and nothing else.

Of course, this doesn't count the expense of rebuilding our military.

As I said, can't disagree with this list, but...

[James Bond Agent 007]

Originally Posted by optimusREIM

While we're at it, might be the time to discuss a national strategic infrastructure plan, that should include a full roster of the following (plus potentially more):

- reducing interprovincial trade barriers,
- nationalizing the TCH and upgrading it to be fully grade separated along its length,
- adding new strategic economic corridors to the TCH system,
- improving rail infrastructure across the country,
- massive investment in energy infrastructure, including ports,
- massive investment in communications infrastructure,
- strategic investments in local infrastructure projects, and
- leveraging natural resources to fund everything.

The faster this gets done, the better. Time to become a serious 21st century nation.

Canada of the future!

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[Glenn99]

Originally Posted by James Bond Agent 007

Canada of the future!

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Wow! Someone went all in on AI

[cllew]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Anybody remember the NEP? I'm 100% for all of the corridors, both expansion of a southern Canada E-W corridor and new corrdiors in the north.

Good news for Churchill, the funding keeps rolling in. I've lost track of all the more recent funding commitments for both the railway and the port.

I remember the NEP quite well. I lost money in developing an apartment building in Calgary that I was a small investor in.

Do to the oil industry employment shutdown in Calgary (and a few other unexpected events) we could not charge enough rent to pay our costs and had to fund cash calls to keep it going. After a year or so we lost control of the building to the vulture fund that acquired the mortgage when the Trust Company that issued it was declared insolvent by the Federal Regulators.

GWL reality ended up buying it from the vulture fund at a discount from what we paid to build it, and last I heard was still operating the building.

[bodaggin]

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[Highwayman]

Originally Posted by bodaggin

I geeked out and slapped distances on potential Arctic airbase locations. These locations fit perfectly into all fighter jet ranges for routine base-to-base patrol hopping.

Only Resolute Bay and Alert runways require paving. Resolute Bay is an incredible geographic hub on the air and water front. It has no entrenched supply lines though. But Churchill does by rail, and Yellowknife/Inuvik do by year-round road. Making them strategic hubs for fuel etc. The locations with existing paved runways are also very easy upstart bases, even if just used for patrol hops (I'm sure FactaNV can correct the military jargon).

So Churchill becomes a very important puzzle piece to this mesh of bases. On a variety of fronts. It also checks all 3 boxes: Air, Sea, and Existing Resupply Access (rail). No other location in this mesh has all 3.

They should never have closed the Base in churchill to begin with.