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Old Posted Apr 3, 2022, 7:26 PM
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Not exactly reversed, but reconsidered.
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Not exactly reversed, but reconsidered.
Yes until after the election. Or I wonder if the whole project gets killed. I am sure someone is livid in the premier's office as this was meant to be a lynchpin of their West Quebec strategy and instead it is a distraction.
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Fear that the Wakefield Hospital may be closed with the arrival of Gatineau's new mega-hospital.

The CAQ, well every Québec Political Party really, are pretty great at miss-managing healthcare, so I could see them close the only functional hospital in the region.

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Des craintes pour les soins de santé dans la MRC des Collines-de-l'Outaouais

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Le Droit, 15 avril




Un comité de vigie a été mis sur pied l’automne dernier dans l’espoir de maintenir et de développer de nouveaux services de santé sur le territoire de la Municipalité régionale de comté (MRC) des Collines-de-l’Outaouais, où bien des gens craignent de voir l’Hôpital Mémorial de Wakefield s’éteindre à petit feu avec l’arrivée éventuelle du Centre hospitalier affilié universitaire (CHAU).

Marcel Chartrand, qui a été membre du conseil d’administration du défunt Centre de santé et de services sociaux des Collines, fait partie du comité de vigie qui regroupe notamment des citoyens et des professionnels de la santé préoccupés par ce que l’avenir réserve au réseau dans ce coin de l’Outaouais. Selon lui, la réforme mise en place en 2015 par l’ancien ministre de la Santé, le libéral Gaétan Barrette, a eu un «impact considérable» dans le territoire des Collines-de-l’Outaouais.

«On a perdu beaucoup de ressources de proximité, déplore M. Chartrand. Il y a eu plusieurs suppressions de postes, et on a fermé complètement la cuisine, tout est centralisé. […] Les repas sont préparés à Gatineau et ils arrivent froids. Ce n’est pas correct. Tout ce qui est archivé aussi a été centralisé.»

M. Chartrand souligne également qu’il n’y a eu aucun développement du côté de l’urgence de l’Hôpital Mémorial de Wakefield, qui ne dispose pas d’un plateau technique équivalent à ce qui existe dans d’autres hôpitaux ruraux. «Ce n’est pas très avantageux pour les médecins qui cherchent une place où pratiquer», soulève-t-il.

Gouvernance locale

Le comité de vigie dénonce l’absence de gouvernance locale, puisque «toutes les décisions sont prises à Gatineau».

L’automne dernier, le Centre intégré de santé et de services sociaux de l’Outaouais (CISSSO) a voulu se faire rassurant dans le cadre d’une rencontre d’information avec des citoyens des Collines-de-l’Outaouais préoccupés par l’avenir des soins de santé sur le territoire où ils demeurent. Mais les inquiétudes persistent, entre autres parce que le plan clinique du CISSSO indique que la fermeture des lits d’hospitalisation à Wakefield «doit être envisagée». Ce plan évoque aussi la possibilité d’y transférer 35 lits de réadaptation gériatrique. Le CISSSO avait indiqué que cela faisait «partie des réflexions», mais qu’aucune décision n’avait encore été prise à ce sujet.

Le comité de vigie garde toutefois une «crainte» que l’arrivée du CHAU et de ses 600 lits signe l’arrêt de mort de l’Hôpital Mémorial de Wakefield. Marcel Chartrand estime qu’il est illogique que plusieurs lits de l’hôpital servent actuellement pour des patients en attente d’une place en hébergement de longue durée. Il déplore aussi qu’aucun projet de maison des aînés n’ait encore été prévu pour le territoire des Collines-de-l’Outaouais et que les services de soutien à domicile ne soient pas suffisants pour répondre aux besoins.

Décentralisation

En ce qui concerne le projet de décentralisation récemment présenté par le ministre de la Santé, Christian Dubé, le comité de vigie juge qu’il reste bien des détails à connaître pour savoir s’il sera bénéfique ou non pour les territoires périphériques. «Ça veut dire quoi, la décentralisation des services ? Ramener des services de proximité ?, se demande M. Chartrand. […] La seule chose qu’on a gagnée, c’est une infirmière [au CLSC] à Chelsea.»

Marcel Chartrand a fait savoir qu’une rencontre est prévue le mois prochain pour que le comité de vigie puisse présenter ses inquiétudes et ses revendications au CISSSO.
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Apparently the CAQ is favouring the Centre Asticou for the new hospital now...

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Le gouvernement de la CAQ voudrait construire le futur centre hospitalier universitaire en Outaouais à l'emplacement actuel du Centre Asticou.

Cette rumeur a fait bondir la Coalition pour un Centre Hospitalier Accessible et Durable en Outaouais, qui s'oppose à ce terrain.

La CCHADO estime qu'un site sur le boulevard de la Cité-des-Jeunes ne serait guère mieux que le site dans le secteur des Hautes-Plaines, proposé il y a quelques semaines.

La coalition reproche au gouvernement de ne toujours pas prendre en considération les recommandations des acteurs du milieu pour un hôpital au centre-ville.

Après la discussion qu'il y a eu à Québec, il n'y a pas de suivi. Ça fuite dans les médias que ça va être au Centre Asticou. C'est absolument inacceptable. Ça n'a aucun sens qu'on ne soit pas capable de s'entendre. C'est comme si on nous disait « OK, on va lâcher le site du boulevard de la Technologie [dans les Hautes-Plaines], on va se rapprocher un peu et on va aller au Centre Asticou ». Ce n'est pas suffisant et on ne vas pas l'accepter.

Stephan Psenak, directeur général de la Chambre de commerce de Gatineau

Rappelons que la région est sans nouvelles concernant le site du futur centre hospitalier depuis la fin avril.

https://www.fm1047.ca/nouvelles/poli...o-en-desaccord
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/info/vid...ital-outaouais
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Old Posted May 30, 2022, 8:29 PM
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No better than Hautes-Plaines.
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Asticou is so close to the Hull hospital.

If anyone has taken a trip down St. Raymond near Cité-des-Jeunes, it certainly looks like they are establishing this a health care node.
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No better than Hautes-Plaines.
Complain too much about details and it might end up on life-support like the REM de l'est. I think it might be at that point already as post election the motivation to get this confirmed might drop. Two years from now we might be in austerity mode as budgets return to red with rising interest rates.
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Asticou is so close to the Hull hospital.

If anyone has taken a trip down St. Raymond near Cité-des-Jeunes, it certainly looks like they are establishing this a health care node.
I thought the new hospital was completely replacing that relic. They are planning on keeping both?
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No better than Hautes-Plaines.
It's a thousand times better than Hautes-Plaines. Easy arterial access to all of Aylmer/Hull, geographically central to all of Aylmer/Hull.
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Old Posted May 30, 2022, 10:11 PM
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I thought the new hospital was completely replacing that relic. They are planning on keeping both?
Hull hospital was built in the 30's.

It easily has another 400 years left in it.

Legault told me so.
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It's a thousand times better than Hautes-Plaines. Easy arterial access to all of Aylmer/Hull, geographically central to all of Aylmer/Hull.
True but... I don't drive through that area often but when I do happen to go through there at rush hour, it's a giant parking lot. They're going to need some dedicated lanes or something for emergencies, etc.
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Someone remind me again why the Guertin Arena site is a no go? To me that is a no-brainer decision. Easy access from the entire region via the main arteries that are already there.

At the end of the day, I'll go where I have to, but there has to be some logic put into the equation doesn't there?
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Someone remind me again why the Guertin Arena site is a no go? To me that is a no-brainer decision. Easy access from the entire region via the main arteries that are already there.

At the end of the day, I'll go where I have to, but there has to be some logic put into the equation doesn't there?
I think they said the site was too small. (I could be wrong)
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True but... I don't drive through that area often but when I do happen to go through there at rush hour, it's a giant parking lot. They're going to need some dedicated lanes or something for emergencies, etc.
This. Boul Cité des Jeunes is a complete mess between Asticou and St-Raymond during both morning (northbound) and afternoon (southbound) rushes. In addition, the St-Raymond/Cité des Jeunes intersection is very congested

There would need to be a major rework of CdJ if the hospital were to go in at Asticou.
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This. Boul Cité des Jeunes is a complete mess between Asticou and St-Raymond during both morning (northbound) and afternoon (southbound) rushes. In addition, the St-Raymond/Cité des Jeunes intersection is very congested

There would need to be a major rework of CdJ if the hospital were to go in at Asticou.
They reconstructed St. Raymond from Cité des Jeunes to St. Joseph a few years ago and it has already turned into crap. It seems like it is a twice in a decade project.

Don't even get me started on the Allumettières/Samuel Edey go-kart track grooves.
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This. Boul Cité des Jeunes is a complete mess between Asticou and St-Raymond during both morning (northbound) and afternoon (southbound) rushes. In addition, the St-Raymond/Cité des Jeunes intersection is very congested

There would need to be a major rework of CdJ if the hospital were to go in at Asticou.
Probably the easiest(?) way, which would also raise holy hell
Make a new intersection and cut through the park straight north from St-Raymond.
Would probably have people chaining themselves to trees.

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Fingers crossed that the NCC will respond soon to the CAQa party "F*** NO!!""

Unless the routing of the ream system is re-evaluated, this is a no go. Heck, because of Gatineau Park and the proximity to the existing Hull hospital, this should be a no-go. If they don't want a downtown hospital for a GOOD reason, then there are other options along Aylmer tramway route
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Announcement coming soon. Sounds like Belisle knows where it will be and seems to have a pretty positive tone around the chosen site. Not getting my hopes up though.

https://www.ledroit.com/2022/06/22/f...245f7fd2a82cb4
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Probably the easiest(?) way, which would also raise holy hell
Make a new intersection and cut through the park straight north from St-Raymond.
Would probably have people chaining themselves to trees.
I mean this chunk of parkland is surrounded by development roads etc. I guess it is a death by a thousand cuts to some extent but Asticou is already there. Quasi-highways already cut through. What is one more access road going to do?
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