Great Canadian Hospital Thread

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper

It looks as bad or worse than an Infrastructure Ontario hospital.

It is a bit of a dog's breakfast for sure.

[J.OT13]

South Niagara Hospital gives me a bit of a casino hotel vibe.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Ford has really done a number on the Health Care system by putting public money in private health care, but at least he's still building new and expanded hospitals, so the Libs won't have as big a mess to cleanup as when McGuinty had to pick up the pieces from Harris closures.

The same thing is happening here in Alberta as well. We have a great Ortho centre at the Royal Alex in Edmonton. It hasn't been used since July. The UCP do not want to fund it so that they have overnight staff. Most hips and Knees are in and out the same day. so most surgeries are shipped to the Private surgical centres in Edmonton and Calgary. Those centres only do non complicated surgeries. No overnight stays. So all of the complicated ones are not getting done. When My wife had both her knees done she had to stay in hospital a fews days extra because of her Parkinson's. Anyway, The Drs indicated it would cost additional $250,000 to operate the Centre. UCP said that was to expensive.Meanwhile the UCP is spending $350,000 to go to Trumps inauguration.

Talking with friends that do Surgery and my own ENT, they all indicate that they have to fight for surgical times.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Airboy

The same thing is happening here in Alberta as well. We have a great Ortho centre at the Royal Alex in Edmonton. It hasn't been used since July. The UCP do not want to fund it so that they have overnight staff. Most hips and Knees are in and out the same day. so most surgeries are shipped to the Private surgical centres in Edmonton and Calgary. Those centres only do non complicated surgeries. No overnight stays. So all of the complicated ones are not getting done. When My wife had both her knees done she had to stay in hospital a fews days extra because of her Parkinson's. Anyway, The Drs indicated it would cost additional $250,000 to operate the Centre. UCP said that was to expensive.Meanwhile the UCP is spending $350,000 to go to Trumps inauguration.

Talking with friends that do Surgery and my own ENT, they all indicate that they have to fight for surgical times.

That's horrible. $250,000 is nothing. The only reason to support private over public health care is if your profiting off of it. Feds should have a law banning all private health care and cutting health care spending to the Provinces that fund private.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That's horrible. $250,000 is nothing. The only reason to support private over public health care is if your profiting off of it. Feds should have a law banning all private health care and cutting health care spending to the Provinces that fund private.

That would require a complete paradigm shift for outpatient health care in Canada, the vast majority of which is delivered through provinces funding private clinics. It's a bit much to pin the blame on Ford when this is the system we've had from before he was born.

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by Airboy

T...Meanwhile the UCP is spending $350,000 to go to Trumps inauguration.

....

Really? How is that possible? Is she hosting some trade event or something?

[Wigs]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

South Niagara Hospital gives me a bit of a casino hotel vibe.

Fitting, considering Niagara Falls is the closest city to a Vegas that Canada has

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Really? How is that possible? Is she hosting some trade event or something?

Nope she is just attending events. The price list was on line. The old salesman is screwing everyone he can. Plas she is taking a large group down on our bill.

Hotels, parties ec.

https://www.mybucketlistevents.com/p...g-in-ceremony/
Hotels that she would stay at are running 1000 to 4000 a night.

The Hotel I would normally stay at is 1100 a night but drops to 340 the day after.

[Nashe]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Really? How is that possible? Is she hosting some trade event or something?

[Wigs]

Sounds like Premier Danielle Smith is wasting a lot of Albertan taxpayer money to bend the knee to Trump.

$350,000 for her and her staff to attend his inauguration in DC
Yet the UCP don't want to spend money on healthcare. Good grief.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That's horrible. $250,000 is nothing. The only reason to support private over public health care is if your profiting off of it. Feds should have a law banning all private health care and cutting health care spending to the Provinces that fund private.

You do realize most of the abortion clinics in Canada are private. So, they should be shut? How about all the testing labs in Canada? Should they be shut as well as well; resulting in patients having to go to a hospital for routine blood tests?

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

You do realize most of the abortion clinics in Canada are private. So, they should be shut? How about all the testing labs in Canada? Should they be shut as well as well; resulting in patients having to go to a hospital for routine blood tests?

Not shut down but taken over by Government. It can't be done overnight, but could be phased over 20 years. There's no scenario where private-for-profit health care is cheaper for the Government than public.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/priva...%20%2428%2C000.

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Not shut down but taken over by Government. It can't be done overnight, but could be phased over 20 years. There's no scenario where private-for-profit health care is cheaper for the Government than public.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/priva...%20%2428%2C000.

Nationalization will be very expensive. Many testing labs, abortion clinics, physio clinics, rehab clinics, palliative care centres, hospitals, etc. in Canada are private entities.

Well, New Brunswick has been fined by the feds through the Canada Health Act as they would not fund a certain procedure which was performed through private clinics. NB funded it 100% through public hospitals.

[EnvisionSaintJohn]

Originally Posted by Wigs

Sounds like Premier Danielle Smith is wasting a lot of Albertan taxpayer money to bend the knee to Trump.

$350,000 for her and her staff to attend his inauguration in DC
Yet the UCP don't want to spend money on healthcare. Good grief.

Yikes.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

Nationalization will be very expensive. Many testing labs, abortion clinics, physio clinics, rehab clinics, palliative care centres, hospitals, etc. in Canada are private entities.

Well, New Brunswick has been fined by the feds through the Canada Health Act as they would not fund a certain procedure which was performed through private clinics. NB funded it 100% through public hospitals.

Not to mention physician offices.

I'm not saying state takeover is a bad idea - it's just that often people decrying the privatization of health care are uninformed and have no idea how health care has been historically funded. Public money going to private health care has always been the model in Canada. More recently surgical clinics have popped up that allow straightforward surgical procedures to be done out of hospital, but the flow of money is no different than when you go to see a doctor in their clinic. This is very different from private money funding private health care, which is the bogeyman people often conflate it with.

[Airboy]

Originally Posted by Ozabald

Nationalization will be very expensive. Many testing labs, abortion clinics, physio clinics, rehab clinics, palliative care centres, hospitals, etc. in Canada are private entities.

Well, New Brunswick has been fined by the feds through the Canada Health Act as they would not fund a certain procedure which was performed through private clinics. NB funded it 100% through public hospitals.

It depends on the Province. Lab services in Alberta are owned by the GoA after it was privatized and then was taken over again. as for palliative care that is a mix. Rehab is a mix, my Dr can write me a prescriptions but it may only cover 4 visits. Some of it is covered by AHS. If you want extra services you pay for it. We have some Ortho and eye surgical centres that are private but do government paid surgeries. ( this is an issue here since the GoA has under funded the public systems). And they only do surgeries that do not require overnight stays. Abortion clinics, This service is provided by AHS and AHS contracted service providers.

We are seeing family clinics now set up where you pay an annual fee to see doctors. Some Starting at 5000. Again these are here because of Government (GoA) underfunding.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Airboy

It depends on the Province. Lab services in Alberta are owned by the GoA after it was privatized and then was taken over again. as for palliative care that is a mix. Rehab is a mix, my Dr can write me a prescriptions but it may only cover 4 visits. Some of it is covered by AHS. If you want extra services you pay for it. We have some Ortho and eye surgical centres that are private but do government paid surgeries. ( this is an issue here since the GoA has under funded the public systems). And they only do surgeries that do not require overnight stays. Abortion clinics are private but I do believe GoA paid services. We are seeing clinics now set up where you pay an annual fee to see doctors. Some Starting at 5000. Again these are here because of Government (GoA) underfunding.

AHS provides health care, it doesn't fund it. Your doctor visits and physio visits are public money going through private via AHCIP.

[Tvisforme]

Originally Posted by theman23

Not to mention physician offices...

Related to this, Colwood, B.C. has recently opened a publicly owned clinic:

CBC: To deal with a doctor shortage, this B.C. city has decided to start paying them directly

...The Colwood Medical Clinic will be run not as a private practice, as is normally the case, but by the Greater Victoria municipality itself. The mayor says they have now hired their first doctor and plan on bringing on seven more.

All eight will be paid as municipal employees, receiving full medical benefits, vacation and a pension. They will also be free of the administrative and financial tasks doctors typically handle when running their own clinics, instead handing that work off to the city...

[Ozabald]

Originally Posted by Airboy

It depends on the Province. Lab services in Alberta are owned by the GoA after it was privatized and then was taken over again. as for palliative care that is a mix. Rehab is a mix, my Dr can write me a prescriptions but it may only cover 4 visits. Some of it is covered by AHS. If you want extra services you pay for it. We have some Ortho and eye surgical centres that are private but do government paid surgeries. ( this is an issue here since the GoA has under funded the public systems). And they only do surgeries that do not require overnight stays. Abortion clinics, This service is provided by AHS and AHS contracted service providers.

We are seeing family clinics now set up where you pay an annual fee to see doctors. Some Starting at 5000. Again these are here because of Government (GoA) underfunding.

Contracted service providers are private entities. If one wants a 100% public health care system, then all these contracted service providers (including abortion clinics) will need to be removed or nationalized.

[theman23]

Originally Posted by Tvisforme

Related to this, Colwood, B.C. has recently opened a publicly owned clinic:

CBC: To deal with a doctor shortage, this B.C. city has decided to start paying them directly

There have been a lot of attempts over the years with pilot projects like this to open publicly funded clinics. There are few more such as the UPCCs in BC run by the local health authorities. Ontario has the CHCs funded by the MOH (previously LHINs). There hasn't been mass roll out because these clinics are heavy cost centers and are not effective at churning through patient volumes like privately run clinics.