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Old Posted Nov 22, 2018, 1:08 PM
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Fair, but CF is also redeveloping and renovating LimeRidge
Yeah, exactly!

Lime Ridge (A CF property) is the main shopping hub on the Hamilton Mountain. It's the shopping destination basically for the entire city, since there isn't a shopping centre on par with Lime Ridge Downtown (not saying Lime Ridge is incredible btw). I would think from purely a business perspective that CF would want to take hold of the retail market Downtown as well.

I understand that they originally owned the property 28 years ago, but things are different in 2018. Downtown is becoming more of a destination then it has been in decades. With all of the developments U/C and approved and just waiting to be built (not to mention those under review as well) there's a massive increase in residents in the core and surrounding area, and that number is only going to increase in the coming years.

I think it's an easy decision, not just for CF but for any other major commercial real estate company.

We can speculate forever. I'm just happy that it's up for sale and looking forward to what will happen to it.
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Yeah, exactly!

Lime Ridge (A CF property) is the main shopping hub on the Hamilton Mountain. It's the shopping destination basically for the entire city, since there isn't a shopping centre on par with Lime Ridge Downtown (not saying Lime Ridge is incredible btw). I would think from purely a business perspective that CF would want to take hold of the retail market Downtown as well.

I understand that they originally owned the property 28 years ago, but things are different in 2018. Downtown is becoming more of a destination then it has been in decades. With all of the developments U/C and approved and just waiting to be built (not to mention those under review as well) there's a massive increase in residents in the core and surrounding area, and that number is only going to increase in the coming years.

I think it's an easy decision, not just for CF but for any other major commercial real estate company.

We can speculate forever. I'm just happy that it's up for sale and looking forward to what will happen to it.
Downtown will likely never be worse than it is today too. With the Go lines and condos, and apartments and employers coming into the downtown, even in the event of an economic downturn, Hamilton will never fall like it did in the past.
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3.5 months later, no sale. Any rumours even?
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Yeah, where's the demolition permit?
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Well no real development yet, but nice to see intent to develop by IN8 with their purchase of Hamilton City Centre.

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9...for-mall-site/
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I've relocated this thread from Urban, Urban Design & Heritage Issues to this section since we have an active proposal for the City Centre.
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What's happened to Lamb lately?
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Hamilton City Centre sale pending: $700-million condo complex planned for mall site
Sale of the 3.4-acre site to IN8 Developments expected to close Dec. 12

https://www.thespec.com/news-story/9...for-mall-site/

A developer plans to knock down Hamilton City Centre mall in stages and build five residential and commercial towers up to 28 floors in a $700-million vision for the aging building on James Street North.

The sale of the 3.4-acre site to IN8 Developments is expected to close Dec. 12, said Darryl Firsten, president of the Toronto-based firm that has a handful of student condo projects underway in Waterloo Region and Kingston.

The private partnership, which includes Harlo Capital and its president Jeff Kimel, has been looking for a Hamilton project of this scope for four years.

"Our core focus is high-density urban intensification outside Toronto — that's our business model and Hamilton has been at the top of our radar for quite a while now," Firsten said.

When the City Centre went up for sale last year for $60 million, "we knew we wanted to buy this place, because it required someone who could maybe see more than the mall that's here today — to see what it could be," Firsten said, adding that they are buying the building for below the listing price.

He said the deal was expected to close in February, "but we moved it up because we're ready to roll, we want to start pouring concrete."

But the wrecking ball won't be rolled out quite yet. There will be an expected three-year wait for a provincial environmental assessment to be completed on a site plan that could include a convention centre and accompanying hotel, according to Firsten.

"If we can make it fit, we will get some sort of city, public-use amenity in it," he said. "There was talk of a hockey arena, but I don't think it fits because of the awkward size of the lot."

"Three and a half acres is enough space (for an arena), but it's got a missing piece over here and a triangle of space over there."

Connectivity to the restaurant and pedestrian stretch of King William is being studied as a concept "to extend a pedestrian thoroughfare through the space — with cool shops and an outdoor-indoor feel about it," Firsten said, imagining a space "protected from the rain but in outdoor air" that extends to the edge of their property in the approximate location of McNab.

"We're looking at that connectivity piece for King William to continue," possibly all the way to Bay, he said.

"McNab is the end of our universe, and the city owns the rest of the real estate after that," Firsten said.

Hamilton's economic development office said in a statement that it "welcomes conversations with developers and landowners as they consider the future of their sites," but has not received any redevelopment plans or applications from IN8.

Before such a vision even begins to take shape, there is the matter of a broken escalator among other issues inside the mall.

"There won't be an immediate knock-down," Firsten said. And until approvals are granted, it will be business as usual for tenants such as Abrahim Ibrahim, owner of Halal Meats, who is in the first year of a five-year lease.

"We're going to keep everyone informed as we go," Firsten said, acknowledging that most of the tenants have signed a "demolition clause" in their lease agreements that provides for the mall owner to simply give notice in the event of a redevelopment of the space.

"In the interim, we'd like to do a bit of revitalization to the existing mall," Firsten said, "That's not our long play — it's not even our medium-term play — we just want to get the mall running well, get some vacant space leased ... clean up a few things."

The broad vision could take up to a decade and will likely be done in phases.

The exact look and feel of the development is still coming together, but Firsten said the key concept is an "attainable live-work space" — a step above the student condos they have built as part of its Sage brand of buildings in Waterloo Region.

"Residential is our mainstay but there will definitely be commercial elements to it."

It won't be the only project IN8 plans for Hamilton. Firsten said they are two weeks away from announcing a deal for a residential-retail space "close to McMaster" that will involve some demolition.

City Centre has been searching for some kind of new vision after entering the world in 1990 as a $70-million project of Cadillac Fairview with Eaton's as the anchor tenant.

The initial burst of confidence languished after Eaton's reign ended and high-end merchants, such as clothier Harry Rosen and others, retreated.

Even a Liquidation World left.

Today, over half of the retail space on upper floors of the shopping centre are leased as office space to clients such as the City of Hamilton and the corporate offices of TripCentral.ca.
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the most interesting part. imagining a space "protected from the rain but in outdoor air" that extends to the edge of their property in the approximate location of McNab.

no plans for Hamilton's tallest in the densest most busy area. I always knew Hamilton developers can't make this happen going to have to be Toronto. Yale is Montreal. Hamilton developers are crap sprawl homes builders.
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they say 28 floors now wait for Thorne to chop it to 8.
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they say 28 floors now wait for Thorne to chop it to 8.
This area is zoned for 30... You're extremely pissy attitude is really fucking annoying broseph.
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Positive news!

Yeah, we can bitch about building height but 28 storeys is still pretty tall. And the prospect of FIVE buildings on that site is very interesting.

Given the current municipal limits the developer has little choice, vs. say Lamb who may be able to argue to the provincial tribunal that his original twin condo tower proposal beat the clock on the city's imposed restrictions. Maybe this group can squeeze some additional floors/metres, if they include some goodies for the city (convention space is an intriguing one)... these rules aren't completely cast in iron.
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This area is zoned for 30... You're extremely pissy attitude is really fucking annoying broseph.
this area is zoned for 30 but they propose 28. Why not propose 35-45 and settle on 28? They won't get 28 floors, in any of the 5 towers. It will be a disaster.
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nothing like blowing up a beautiful retail mall. Sorry to say, this will not go well.
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Thorne is in charge. and he will not allow density.
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nothing like blowing up a beautiful retail mall. Sorry to say, this will not go well.
A mall that's been tits-up for 20 years!
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They will probably get the 28 here. The issue will be tower separation, podiums, and site layout.

That said, this is a prime location for height above 28 storeys so it's a bit disappointing they're not going to try for anything higher at the south end of the site, with towers stepping down in height as you move north.
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This is basically a "vision" so we'll have to see what actually gets proposed. The back-hall channels are available to developers willing to work with the city, such as it is.
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Developer plans to rebuild Hamilton City Centre for 'urban intensification'
IN8 Developments want to be part of the 'urban renewal'

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamil...ium%3Dsharebar

Darryl Firsten will soon be the new owner of the largest parcel of land in the heart of downtown Hamilton, which covers approximately 3.5 acres of land — and he's got some big ideas for the future of the Hamilton City Centre.

Firsten is the president of Toronto-based IN8 Developments, the company behind urban revitalization projects in cities including Kitchener and Kingston.

Hamilton is the next stop for the company.

The developer — accompanied by Hamilton's Director of Economic Development, Glen Norton — led a tour of the City Centre Tuesday afternoon to discuss their vision and ideas for the revitalization with the public.

However, development plans are still very much up in the air, as the sale won't close until December and a provincial environmental assessment could take years.

Small changes first

"This is day one pretty much, we're just in the process of acquiring the site right now," Firsten said. "The existing mall we'd deem to be stable ... so the first thing we'd like to do is help the existing mall."

The developer says that isn't the long-term vision, but in the interim they plan to "find some new tenants [to the City Centre], breathe some new life in and fix some stuff up."

But IN8 Developments does specialize in building condo towers — they're currently constructing a 40-storey high rise in downtown Kitchener, where Firsten says an "urban renewal" is taking place.

"We wanted to be a part of [the urban renewal] and we've learned a lot as we've gone. We've been very successful and we'll bring those lessons to Hamilton," he said.

"We do know that their vision is to take the centre right down, tear it down and in its place put up five different towers," Norton said, "creating a fairly intense living space, probably rental and sale units with commercial and some retail on the lower floors."

One possible plan for the City Centre, Firsten says, is to erect a "multi-tower site" of mixed-use buildings with a mix of residential and commercial space.

Build it and they will come

That "kind of vision is exciting," according to Norton, who sees an investment in new condos bringing more people, businesses, restaurants and shopping to downtown Hamilton.

"There's a reasonable chance [the development] will be a phased approach and with each tower we can add to the site," Firsten said, "that brings a lot of customers for the businesses that [will] operate there."

Norton says potentially creating hundreds of new downtown condo units supports what the city has said about "intensifying" while "using existing infrastructure" and it also supports the city's investment in transit.

It will also generate a decent amount of money for the city in taxes, as well as development charges, which is a "very good thing," Norton said.

When asked about the rising cost of living, Norton said Hamilton's market is different than Toronto's.

"Most of the condos being sold [in Hamilton] are owner occupied or it's someone who has bought one extra unit as an investment and is renting it out," he said.

"The market sets its own level, but the more units you have built the less likely it is the price is going to escalate too fast."

And for Norton's hope that more families will move downtown in subsequent years, prices will have to remain affordable.
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