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Old Posted Dec 11, 2010, 8:49 PM
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Has anyone been to the u ottawa library if so how is it.
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Has anyone been to the u ottawa library if so how is it.
The building exterior is a bit of a brutalist nightmare, but the interior of most floors has been re-done over the last 5 years making it quite a nice place to read/study. I'd say their collection is about on par for a university its size; not the biggest in Canada but quite extensive nonetheless. If you ever want to read something interesting, check out the old science journals (i.e. Nature, Science, etc.) and even the old National Geographic that thye have on the 6th floor. Some of those collections go back to the late 1800's and they're really cool to read through.
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The building exterior is a bit of a brutalist nightmare, but the interior of most floors has been re-done over the last 5 years making it quite a nice place to read/study. I'd say their collection is about on par for a university its size; not the biggest in Canada but quite extensive nonetheless. If you ever want to read something interesting, check out the old science journals (i.e. Nature, Science, etc.) and even the old National Geographic that thye have on the 6th floor. Some of those collections go back to the late 1800's and they're really cool to read through.
That does sound interesting it would be nice if the city did promote this.
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If any of you want to get an idea of what the librairies at uOttawa look like inside--and some of the materials they hold , You can watch a app. 3 and a half minute video tour here:

http://www.youtube.com/uottawa#p/c/E...10/6_UD02w-9QM

For some reason they leave out the new VIRTUAL LIBRARY in the SITE building on campus. SITE= School of Information Technology and Engineering.
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...but the interior of most floors has been re-done over the last 5 years making it quite a nice place to read/study. I'd say their collection is about on par for a university its size; not the biggest in Canada but quite extensive nonetheless...
That being said, the facility clearly is no longer adequate to meet the university's needs.

In terms of its usefulness as a place for research and study, it would be fine if it weren't for the fact that the building just can't handle the volume of users. Lineups for the elevators are pretty much the norm these days, and the library's common areas and study spaces are always clogged with people.

In order to meet increasing demands for space, a large portion of the library's collection is now being stored in an off-site facility.

Of course, further challenges are presented (in terms of usage patterns and corresponding allocation of library space/resources) by evolving student expectations about what kind of space a university library is supposed to be (a place for quiet, solitary study vs. a social hub). The building is perhaps suited to a different, earlier ideal of library design, but not to the newer one of the library as "learning commons."
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That being said, the facility clearly is no longer adequate to meet the university's needs.
You can say that about most of the facilities at uOttawa.

Ontario universities have expanded their populations a lot in the last dozen years. The provincial government encouraged them too as they wanted to see a greater percentage of Ontario's population going to university, and community colleges as well. uOttawa expanded their student pop faster than even the other universities.

It has lead to problems such as overcrowding of everything from libraries to cafeterias and sport and recreation facilities. It lead to a poor student prof ratio , larger classes and poor access by students to the profs. The university has fallen behind most other Ontario unis as measured by these parameters.

They are playing catch up now --and will eventually catch up, in ten -twenty years time. But that does not help students attending now, to hear that everything will be great ten years from now.

It is the reason uOttawa gets a poor rating in surveys based on feedback of current students. I do not know why uOttawa decided to expand their student pop so fast, rather than wait until the facilities were built first. However, if it was pressure from the provincial government to let more students in now, then the province ought to give uOttawa priority for funding to speed up expansion of facilities. A new library:, better student/prof ratio: expanded sport/recreation/fitness facilities.

P.s--the new Social Science tower is behind schedule, but will ease the pressure on lecture room space when finished. There is another thread on that here.

Back to libraries--the city wants a new one , the university needs one. A match made in heaven.
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Just a reminder to people concerned about the theoretical $200 million one-time cost of a new Central Library that will last decades, we spend over $100 million PER YEAR on roads ($111,399,000 in budget 2010 just on "Roads & Traffic Maintenance"). Every new km of road that gets built generates a new yearly cost. All those km of road are not beautiful, they don't provide gathering places, they don't transform the public life of the city.

(http://www.ottawa.ca/city_hall/budge...udget_2010.pdf page 350, in case you're wondering)

The lifetime cost of a new Central Library that would be an amazing public space would be a small fraction of the equivalent decades of road expenditures, yet for the most part no one blinks an eye (or is even really aware) that we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the roads.
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Just a reminder to people concerned about the theoretical $200 million one-time cost of a new Central Library that will last decades, we spend over $100 million PER YEAR on roads ($111,399,000 in budget 2010 just on "Roads & Traffic Maintenance"). Every new km of road that gets built generates a new yearly cost. All those km of road are not beautiful, they don't provide gathering places, they don't transform the public life of the city.

(http://www.ottawa.ca/city_hall/budge...udget_2010.pdf page 350, in case you're wondering)

The lifetime cost of a new Central Library that would be an amazing public space would be a small fraction of the equivalent decades of road expenditures, yet for the most part no one blinks an eye (or is even really aware) that we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the roads.
You need roads with out roads your not going to get any where.A very nice library while would be nice its not needed.Put it this way when your looking for a home you don't say i am going to buy a home that is well out more budget and really something i don't need to have.I need to be logical and buy a home that i can afford and does fit me.The other issue is its not like ottawa has $200 million just laying around and with so much that needs to be done we have to be logical.The city should have a strong look at a good buiness plan build with in there means.Don't go over board and build a oasis as some want build a nice good library.
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Just build it already: Real central library still on wish list

A real central library is still in the works, though you’d never know it

By Joanne Chianello, OTTAWA CITIZEN August 28, 2013 11:00 PM


It’s amazing how an everyday occurrence can have you thinking about important municipal projects.

And it’s not just an occupational hazard from covering City Hall.

The last time you drove to the airport, were you not astonished that Ottawa still has not extend the O-Train to the terminal? When you drive by LeBreton Flats and see the lone — and not so attractive — condo building jutting out among the muddy fields, don’t you wonder what ever happened to the redevelopment plans for the prime location?

Of course you do.

And so when Calgary recently announced its impressive short-list of architects vying to design the western city’s new public library, we collectively sighed. How is it possible that Canada’s capital is not be joining that ever-lengthening list of cities — from Halifax to Surrey, B.C. — that can boast a reimagined central library?

Ottawa came so very close to committing to a new downtown public library in 2008. But when the land deal fell through, the wind fell out of the sails of the project, at both the official and grassroots levels. For all intents and purposes, the dream of a proper downtown library is dead. Right?

Not so fast, says Jan Harder.

“Just because we’re not talking about it, it doesn’t mean nothing is happening,” says the Barrhaven councillor and chair of the library board.

Indeed, Harder — a dedicated library promoter who is an executive member of the North America-wide Urban Libraries Council and is currently running for president of the Canadian Library Association — insists the downtown library will be back on the public agenda this fall.

That’s when two vital reports are due. One will be the results of the Imagine campaign conducted this spring that collected more than 2,800 ideas from 27,000 respondents about what they’d like to see in their ideal library of the future.

Around the same time, Ottawa’s library board will be making public its months-long study into the feasibility of renovating the existing branch at Laurier and Metcalfe into something that, in Harder’s words, “is deserving of the City of Ottawa.”

Progress on the file has been so slow-going it’s no wonder people thought there was no future for the poor, inadequate central library. It was almost a year ago that we received the study on the physical state of the building, which found that about $6 million was needed to keep the structure going as-is for the next 20 years.

But Harder says the status quo — even with an injected $6.2 million — just won’t cut it. According to the councillor, there are spots in the current central library branch where your smart phone doesn’t work. There aren’t enough computers, there aren’t enough meeting places, there’s a “half-baked auditorium.”

“It’s a dump,” Harder says bluntly. “But it’s a dump that is appreciated by 15,000 people a week.”

So the board won’t accept spending only the bare minimum on the building. But it also recognizes there’s no political will to purchase downtown property and build a new library from scratch. Indeed, whenever Mayor Jim Watson is asked about it on Twitter, he immediately replies that there’s no money for that project (unlike the refurbishing of the baseball stadium).

And there’s a good reason to try to make the current library last until 2032: that’s the year when the lease for the entire block where the library is situated reverts back to the city, returning to taxpayers a valuable asset.

So this fall, the board is expecting to hear back about what can be done to make the current space as welcoming and functional as possible — and what it will cost. Hamilton’s successful renovation of its central library came in at about $16 million, although fixing up Ottawa’s is expected to cost substantially more.

“It may well end up that it can’t be done, that it would cost too much for too little benefit,” says Harder.

If that ends up being the case, the library chair vows that she will fight for a Plan B, whatever that ends up being, whether it’s finding a new location, or perhaps working with a developer to locate the library in the podium level of a new downtown tower.

“Ottawa deserves to have a complete library in the downtown core and I’m going to work to make sure it will happen,” says Harder.

Well, who knew?

It’s possible that whatever proposal the library board entertains in the coming months might fall short of what many want to see in a downtown library: a landmark centre. Or, perhaps we are in store for some pleasant surprises.

But it’s fascinating what you find out when you ask.

And that led us in the Citizen’s City Hall bureau to ask, well, all sorts of things. What ever happened to the idea of extending the O-Train south to Leitrim and the airport? What’s the next step for figuring out how to get commercial traffic across the river and off of King Edward Drive? What the heck is going on at LeBreton Flats, if anything? And is anyone still considering extending Bank Street to connect it with the Ottawa River, surely one of the most welcomed ideas the National Capital Commission ever put forward?

Like a reinvigorated central library, these all seemed like sensible ideas for a City of Ottawa’s size and stature. So over the next few days, the Citizen’s David Reevely and Derek Spalding will update you on what’s happening — and not happening — with these ongoing issues.

And there couldn’t be a better time to re-examine these files. Because as summer officially comes to an end, the fall will signal the unofficial start of the 2014 municipal election campaign. And there’s no better time to get politicians talking about big ideas, about vision, about where we want to go as a city, than an election year.

Just listen to Jan Harder.

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JUST BUILD IT ALREADY: A CITIZEN SERIES

Ottawa’s never been short on big ideas, but we always seem to fall short when it comes to making them happen. In this series, the Citizen’s City Hall bureau checks in on some of the apparently good ideas that still haven’t made it off the drawing board.
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Let's keep our fingers crossed and hope something happens this time around.
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By comparison, Kitchener also considered (and rejected) a new Downtown Central Library in 2008. The decision was instead taken in October of that year to renovate and expand the existing KPL in the Civic District. That $40 million dollar project (along with a $23 million underground parking garage) will open in 2014, about a year behind the original schedule. Of course, every situation is different and Kitchener had the advantage of an existing free-standing library rather than a podium structure, but still.....
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I absolutely adore the existing public library as an excellent example of Brutalist architecture, but I despise it as a library. It reminds me of Boston's City Hall. Any ideas of what it should become when it's replaced? I'm thinking it could be an excellent concert hall, but it would all depend on the interior structure and how it could be renovated for large open acoustically sound rooms I guess.



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I absolutely adore the existing public library as an excellent example of Brutalist architecture, but I despise it as a library. It reminds me of Boston's City Hall. Any ideas of what it should become when it's replaced? I'm thinking it could be an excellent concert hall, but it would all depend on the interior structure and how it could be renovated for large open acoustically sound rooms I guess.



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Interesting thought. Not to be contentious but it flags another area where the City of Ottawa has come up short. I found it extraordinary that they couldn't get their ducks lined up for at least a smaller chamber music concert hall as part of the Performance Court project (the 900 seater originally proposed was probably too big, but still....).
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It's the perfect spot for a concert hall! With the incredible success of the Chamberfest in the last few years and a burgeoning arts scene you'd think this could be a viable proposition!
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What are the final numbers of the Chamberfest that made it so successful?
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What are the final numbers of the Chamberfest that made it so successful?
Don't think final numbers have yet been released, but initial reports suggested that both attendance and revenues were up substantially. Chamberfest seems to have moved forward from the unfortunate events of recent years.
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It's the perfect spot for a concert hall! With the incredible success of the Chamberfest in the last few years and a burgeoning arts scene you'd think this could be a viable proposition!
Concert Hall in the current building or on the site? I know the City owns the land under the office building, but does anyone know what the deal is with the owners of this building? Are they leasing the land, will ownership of the building fall on us after x number of years? What's the deal? That building is a huge obstacle to redeveloping the land.
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I hate the current building... so concrete, uninviting and... brutal.

I think it would be great to take out all the concrete and make it all glass. Very contemporary and cool looking... Kind of like the Apple Store on 5th Ave in Manhattan.



It would add so much to this section of downtown and it can't be THAT expensive if its just glass right? No concrete or angles or anything.

Plus, I think it would invite a lot more book-reading, twilight or game-of-thrones-loving, tea-drinking hipsters... Imagine reading a book in a cool funky chair on the second floor and having all glass walls overlooking the busy downtown...
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You take out the concrete, the buildings gone. I don't think it's possible, and even if it was, it would be ridiculously expensive, maybe more than a proper new building somewhere else. I got to say though, that Apple store is pretty awesome!
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I hate the current building... so concrete, uninviting and... brutal.

I think it would be great to take out all the concrete and make it all glass. Very contemporary and cool looking... Kind of like the Apple Store on 5th Ave in Manhattan.



It would add so much to this section of downtown and it can't be THAT expensive if its just glass right? No concrete or angles or anything.

Plus, I think it would invite a lot more book-reading, twilight or game-of-thrones-loving, tea-drinking hipsters... Imagine reading a book in a cool funky chair on the second floor and having all glass walls overlooking the busy downtown...
Whoa, can you imagine the heating bills for that thing in the winter!? I'll take a well-poured concrete building, thank you very much. If you want to add a bit of glass to it for decoration be my guest.
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