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Old Posted May 27, 2010, 4:43 AM
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With their merge with NWA, Delta has de-hubed Cincinnati and Memphis. Cincinnati has actually closed portions of the airport. I can see PDX going in the same direction and becoming a regional airport in a few year. Portland is a small market. Also, with the consolidation going on in the industry and Portland proximity to Seattle I don't see a bright future for PDX.
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Old Posted May 27, 2010, 6:01 PM
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With their merge with NWA, Delta has de-hubed Cincinnati and Memphis. Cincinnati has actually closed portions of the airport. I can see PDX going in the same direction and becoming a regional airport in a few year. Portland is a small market. Also, with the consolidation going on in the industry and Portland proximity to Seattle I don't see a bright future for PDX.
You are wrong. In the past few years, without being a hub airport, Portland has gained numerous long-haul flights to Boston (Alaska), Philadelphia (USAir), Hawaii (Alaska), Chicago Midway (Southwest), Toronto (Air Canada), Calgary (Air Canada) - and possibly others I can't remember off the top of my head. Unlike Cincinnati, whose regional population is pretty stagnate, Portland's market has been growing rapidly for decades.
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Old Posted May 28, 2010, 6:11 PM
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agreed. Not to mention that now Continental and United are one company, they will likely add another European flight to compete with Delta...
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While star alliance makes sense to counter the Delta non-stops, I think it's been proven that there just isn't the demand for two daily non-stops to Europe.

If the economy improves over time and cargo picks up, sure, maybe.

I just don't see anything trying again for a while. The 763 seems to be a good gauge for these routes, and united now will have a pile of 762s to fly around....

I dunno, the only option is really PDX-FRA on United with the Star alliance hub (and running smaller planes than LH did with the A343/A333.

I'd kill to see PDX-LHR, but think that is pretty unlikely and not a star route.
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2010, 8:05 PM
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Man... a Portland-London flight would be amazing...
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Old Posted Jun 17, 2010, 4:46 AM
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was a recent article in the oregonian that Delta planned to keep the direct Tokyo flight, even after the Port subsidizes run out.

Additional, AMS will run 5x weekly with the A332 this winter (up from 763)

So, while I think everyone would rather have Lufthansa metal than Delta, it seems both of the Int'l routes are doing well enough without competition, and they will hopefully be sticking around for a while.

It seems we won't get a second non-stop to either place for a while. (unless the state gets serious about attaching businesses, which obviously is a big stretch)
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2010, 10:09 AM
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Delta makes PDX nonstops to Amsterdam and Tokyo permanent, eyes Paris
Published: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 6:59 PM Updated: Tuesday, September 28, 2010, 9:09 PM
Richard Read, The Oregonian


Imagine the Louvre, the Eiffel Tower, Notre Dame and Left Bank cafes just one hop from Portland.

Richard Anderson, chief executive of Delta Air Lines, can picture it.

Anderson, interviewed Tuesday at Portland International Airport, raised the possibility of nonstop flights between PDX and Paris. He also said Portland's existing nonstops to Amsterdam and Tokyo -- which would have ended, if not for temporary subsidies -- are now permanent.

Anderson, in town with Alaska Airlines chief executive Bill Ayer to meet with customers, said if Alaska and Horizon keep helping to build Delta's business in Portland, flights to France could make sense.

"The next logical step is to connect Portland with our other hub in Europe: Paris," Anderson said.

A launch is not imminent, however, he said.

The Delta and Alaska chiefs visited Portland as their industry undergoes another wave of consolidation. Southwest Airlines announced Monday it would acquire AirTran. A merger between United and Continental is underway.

Airlines are beginning to catch an updraft, the executives said, amid the turbulent economic recovery. Delta, for one, is making profits.

Passenger counts at PDX were up about 2 percent, at 1.3 million, in August from the same month last year. Delta, Alaska and its sister carrier Horizon serve almost half the passengers at Portland's airport.

The Port of Portland, which operates the airport, subsidized Delta's Tokyo flights to the tune of $3.5 million, tiding the service through the recession and last winter's slow season. The gamble paid off, and Delta will continue the flights, which have been running close to full recently.

"It was a pretty courageous thing on the part of the Port," Anderson said. "We banded together at a pretty difficult time."

Anderson said no new Asian flights are on Portland's horizon.

Ayer said Alaska Airlines is boosting its Hawaiian service in Portland. It flies to Maui and began daily Portland-Honolulu service Sept. 20. It will begin service to Kona on Nov. 12.

"Since April we've added service to 11 markets, with constant fleet size," Ayer said. Planes were moved from underperforming markets, he said, without losing routes.

Delta faces new competition at home in Atlanta as Southwest takes over AirTran there. But Southwest's costs are higher than those of AirTran, and Southwest won't offer a business cabin, meaning Delta could actually benefit, said Michael Boyd, an aviation analyst in Colorado.

Delta's major competition is from foreign carriers, which now carry most traffic to and from the United States, Anderson said. At home, Delta managers face a union vote, as flight attendants decide on representation.

Anderson took the chance to talk up the airline industry's safety record. He also defended the proliferation of charges for such things as checked bags, saying other entities -- such as hotels -- offer optional services.

Anderson said he would look into a July incident in which a Portland plane bound for Amsterdam made an emergency landing in Goose Bay, Labrador, due to mechanical problems. Passengers from that flight remain disgruntled, although a Delta spokesman said Tuesday they have received full refunds.

Anderson said the Delta-Northwest Airlines merger is complete, describing it as the industry's most successful combination. He said Delta's partnership with Alaska is also crucial, especially in Portland.

"I just want to be as good," Anderson said, "as Alaska Airlines."
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2010, 11:46 AM
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Wink Portland seems to be going places

I'm from Vancouver BC, and we only have three routes to Europe; London HR, Amsterdam, and Frankfurt. It sucks. Now Portland may be getting scheduled service to Paris, eh!!?? Good stuff.

I'd, again, recommend looking closer at Vancouver (BC). We have almost the exact same metro population as you do, and that makes for interesting comparisons. (friendly ones, that is)
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Delta remains bullish on PDX-Japan flights

Good news about the Tokyo flight. The news about the Amsterdam flight seems weird considering the article from a couple of months ago about a potential new Paris connection.

I am also skeptical about the statistic in this article saying that Portland is one of only 12 cities with direct flights to both Asia and Europe. Seems like there would be many more cities then 12 with that distinction.

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Published: Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 6:30 PM Updated: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 6:23 AM
The Oregonian By Richard Read,

More travelers are riding Delta Air Lines' flights between Portland and Tokyo as business rebounds from Japan's tsunami, ensuring the daily nonstop service will continue.

But Delta managers are less certain about the future of the daily PDX-Amsterdam nonstops, given plans to reduce overall trans-Atlantic service because of rising fuel costs. The Atlanta-based airline intends to trim service between the United States and Europe, and managers can't promise any given flight will keep operating.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2011/05/delta_remains_bullish_on_pdx-j.html
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Old Posted May 31, 2011, 11:58 PM
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I am also skeptical about the statistic in this article saying that Portland is one of only 12 cities with direct flights to both Asia and Europe. Seems like there would be many more cities then 12 with that distinction.
No, that sounds about right. Asia is too far for most east coast airports, except the largest hubs like Kennedy, O'Hare, ATL, DFW, Dulles. Whereas most major west coast airports are close enough to be linked to both Asia and Europe (LAX, SFO, SEA, DEN and PDX). We benefit from our relative geographic proximity to Asia.
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Wonder what the other 2 airports are... Minneapolis and Detroit?

Also, curious if the mayor's office will try to subsidize the AMS flight to keep it going. I sure hope so.
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I don't think DEN has nonstops to both Asia and Europe. SLC has both nonstop flights to Tokyo and Paris. Japan Airlines plans on adding a Narita- Boston route if the 787 is ever completed.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/s...20Operate%20787-8s%20To%20Boston%20Logan
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 8:24 AM
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Also Newark and Houston. So that's 14 airports, at least.

As someone who has a ticket on the AMS flight in August, I sure hope it stays.
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Detroit definitely has direct flights to Asia. I flew from there nonstop to Beijing. Does Detroit have direct flights to Europe too?
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Old Posted Jun 1, 2011, 10:32 PM
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Wikipedia suggests that Detroit has flights to Paris, Amsterdam, London and Frankfurt in Europe, and Seoul, Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, Manila and Nagoya in Asia. They also have flights to Amman, Jordan, which is technically Asia as well, but in the other direction.

Are there any airports in the US that have flights to Asia, but not Europe?
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Honolulu, according to Wikipedia. No flights to Europe but many to Asia. Surprisingly, Anchorage has flights to Europe (Frankfurt and Zurich) as well as Asia (Seoul).
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Ah... wasn't thinking outside of the Lower 48...
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Asiana Airlines will start flying 747 cargo jets between PDX and Seoul nonstop three times a week, starting in September ... with a little incentive $$ from the state and the Port of Portland. It will mean 80 jobs and $27 million a year for the local economy.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2011/06/state_port_will_subsidize_asia.html#incart_mrt
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2011, 2:25 AM
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Delta Air Lines locks in its Portland-Amsterdam nonstop flights
Published: Thursday, June 09, 2011, 4:31 PM

LONDON -- Portland will keep its nonstop flights to Amsterdam, avoiding cuts expected on other trans-Atlantic Delta Air Lines routes.

A Delta spokesman said Thursday the PDX-Amsterdam daily service will merely diminish to five days a week this fall and winter, as it has done before during the off season.

"There is no change," said Carlos Santos, Delta general manager of corporate communications. "The flight will go from daily to five times a week in the fall/winter season, but that is always the schedule we have for those months."

Thus Portland will continue to be one of only 12 cities in the nation with year-round nonstop flights to both Europe and Asia. Earlier, Atlanta-based Delta announced it would keep operating Portland-Tokyo nonstops despite a temporary decline in passengers after Japan's March 11 tsunami.

Overcapacity and rising fuel costs are expected to force Delta and other airlines to trim overall trans-Atlantic service after the summer high season. Until now, Delta had not been able to guarantee the Amsterdam route would survive those cuts.

Delta depends on big repeat customers for the Amsterdam flight such as Nike, Intel, Adidas, Columbia Sportswear and Wieden+Kennedy. Delta, with about 200 workers in Portland, employs 80,000 worldwide.

Managers of the Port of Portland, which operates PDX, hope to secure passenger service between Portland and Washington, D.C.,'s National Airport. Portland-Mexico City flights are also on the wish list.

Asiana Airlines will launch Portland-Seoul cargo service Sept. 2.

-- Richard Read Twitter: @ReadOregonian
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2011, 2:38 AM
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Couple of interesting links about Delta's transatlantic cuts here and here.

Looks like JFK is losing nonstop service to Berlin, Manchester, Copenhagen, and Stockholm, Philly is losing its Paris flight, Atlanta is losing its Moscow flight, and other routes are being cut back, like Seattle-AMS and Memphis-AMS.
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