HRM Municipal Election 2012 - Page 8

Keith P. · #**141** Posted **Oct 8, 2012, 3:23 PM**

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Canada is not a socialist nation. Canada is a social-capitalist nation.

Keep telling yourself that and maybe you might even believe it.

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Special interests go both ways, bucky-boo.

It never ceases to amaze me how offensive "progressives" always get when someone questions their philosophy. A sign that it is based on dogma and not reality.

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Capitalism needs consumerism. Most consumers will never be rich (since rich people need the working poor to work for them), so varying degrees of socialism are needed in order to prevent mass poverty, as mass poverty is a burden on our system in the form of crime/police spending, reduced income taxes, reduced market spending, reduced corporate confidence for investment, and higher hospital costs.

As opposed to your model, where everyone is equally poor because govt takes everything they earn above a certain level. As in the old Soviet Union, where the only people who rode around in limousines were the party leaders.

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If you think Canada has extremely high taxes then I doubt you have high school level math skills

Nothing to do with math skills. It is simply self-evident when one sees bus drivers making $100K and nurses in Cape Breton taking home $250K. Those are noble professions - but they aren't THAT noble.

The reason we have growing public debt is quite simple. People like you demand things that nobody in their right mind would choose to pay for. But in order to get elected, politicians continually pander to your ilk. Hence we have bike lanes that do not get used, buses that run empty while others are dangerously overloaded, handouts to all kinds of special interests both big and small, while the fundamental services of govt get overlooked.

Unlike some I do not believe all govt spending is bad. But what I do believe is that the left, through a variety of means, has led us to a place where we can no longer afford to pay for many of those basic things we expect from govt. This appears likely to only get worse unless people suddenly become enlightened about how public finance works.

spaustin · #**142** Posted **Oct 18, 2012, 1:37 PM**

Just a reminder to everyone who may be voting this election, e-voting ends today at 7:00. If you're logged in to the system before 7:00, I'm told you'll have 20 minutes to finish before it locks up at 7:20. Paper ballots are on Saturday 8:00 - 7:00. You can find your polling location on HRM's website https://www.halifax.ca/election/polllocation.html

Keith P. · #**143** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 4:39 PM**

Good luck Sam, I hope you win. However I am discouraged by the sheer number of McCluskey and Savage signs I see driving around the area. I am especially astounded by the number of McCluskey signs along Woodland Avenue. It must be sheer hell to live on that street with the incessant heavy traffic, and she has done nothing over her entire political career to alleviate the problem for those residents, yet they apparently support her. Incomprehensible.

someone123 · #**144** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 7:20 PM**

Perception is more important than actual accomplishments in politics.

Normally when somebody tells me they support a particular politician I ask them why. It's very rare that they come back with concrete reasons. Most Gloria McCluskey supporters I have spoken to like her because she has experience (they extrapolate this from her age) or because they figure she is shrewd and no-nonsense (because she is old). I find that her cantankerousness is often counter-productive. I can't believe how bitter she has been in some interviews, and it doesn't seem like she works well with others or comes up with creative solutions to the city's problems. I would not want somebody like that to represent me.

Hazel McCallion, the mayor of Mississauga, is quite similar. People call her "Hurricane Hazel" and love her no-nonsense style. You hear "oh, she's done so much for them over there!" from other 905ers but rarely do you hear specifics. Mississauga developed as a typical sprawling suburb under her watch. It was successful because it fed off of business from Toronto and did not have to pay for Toronto's ageing infrastructure or social services. Now that their development fee revenue has dropped off they've been cranking up property taxes (+7% this year) and taking on debt while they cut transportation funding.

fenwick16 · #**145** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 10:35 PM**

http://metronews.ca/news/halifax/409...-live-updates/ is starting to report results of the municipal election with live updates. It is not a surprise but it appears as though Mike Savage will be the new Mayor.

The results are also available at the halifax.ca website - http://www.halifax.ca/election/results/index.asp

halifaxboyns · #**146** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:21 PM**

My uncle is running in district 8 - I don't know how well he will do, since this is his first crack at the can. But hopefully he does a good showing - he works at the Ward 5 community centre. Good guy...

halifaxboyns · #**147** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:26 PM**

It appears Gloria has a 2:1 lead over Sam - but that's 1 out of 39 polls reporting. Looks like Sue Uteck is behind Gerry Walsh, but Waye isn't far behind Sue.

I'm shocked that Jennifer Watts has got such a commanding lead over over Dawn Sloane - but I guess it will depend on what polls have reported so far.

My uncle is a solid 3rd in that one, which is quite good for a first time entry!

someone123 · #**148** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:34 PM**

It can't be true that they've got votes from only 1/39 polls if they have 5000 or so votes in from one district. There are only maybe 20,000 eligible voters in the whole district.

One surprise to me (since I just didn't know much about him until looking at his website just now) is the success of Gerry Walsh. He may win the downtown district, although the results I see now are close enough that Sue Uteck or Waye Mason could also take it.

terrynorthend · #**149** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:39 PM**

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It can't be true that they've got votes from only 1/39 polls if they have 5000 or so votes in from one district. There are only maybe 20,000 eligible voters in the whole district.

One surprise to me (since I just didn't know much about him until looking at his website just now) is the success of Gerry Walsh. He may win the downtown district.

It's hard to say how the new people will perform but the potential is there for a much more effective municipal government.

That 1 poll is the e-poll, (it loaded immediatly after the closing) so its entirely possible.

ScovaNotian · #**150** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:39 PM**

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It can't be true that they've got votes from only 1/39 polls if they have 5000 or so votes in from one district. There are only maybe 20,000 eligible voters in the whole district.

I assume the figure includes the electronically cast votes.

someone123 · #**151** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:43 PM**

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

I could see there being significant differences between the electronic and paper votes.

halifaxboyns · #**152** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:44 PM**

Mike Savage's lead is quite considerable - I'd be surprised if it hasn't been called for him. I'm not checking other media - so it probably was.
Dawn is still behind Jennifer in district 8. 3 polls now; but my uncle is still doing well there. I figured he'd be in the top three and he is.

halifaxboyns · #**153** Posted **Oct 20, 2012, 11:49 PM**

If the current results hold out (and with the exception of the Mayor and a couple council seats) it appears it will be more of the same...'the devil we know'...

halifaxboyns · #**154** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 12:25 AM**

CBC radio is saying Waye took district 7 by a very narrow margin - but the website hasn't updated. Apparently Waye's team and Sue's team put the numbers together and Sue has given it to Waye.

cormiermax · #**155** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 12:26 AM**

Wow first SSP success! Congrats to Waye!

halifaxboyns · #**156** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 1:25 AM**

Don't count your chickens just yet...because the election results have been coming really slowly. That is actually going to end up being a story for tomorrow - HRM was understaffed and experiencing problems. Apparently this year the electronic went well, but the hand counting/reporting went bad (opposite to last year).

But the actual leader for that district hasn't given in and still holds the lead. Waye was actually 3rd.

halifaxboyns · #**157** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 3:09 AM**

Looks like Peter Lund might be out of council. He's 400 votes behind the leader with 26/28 polls reporting. Bill Karsten looks to have booted out Jackie Barkhouse too - that's one I won't be upset to see go.

halifaxboyns · #**158** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 3:18 AM**

HRM finally updated their website - Waye is now in first place, according to their results.

spaustin · #**159** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 4:11 AM**

Congratulations to Waye! It was a really impressive campaign. I'm delighted with how things turned out for me. There's no shame in coming second to McCluskey in a crowded field on the first time out. It's really humbling to have garnered so much support. We'll see what the next few years brings. I may just try again in 2016

cormiermax · #**160** Posted **Oct 21, 2012, 4:15 AM**

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Congratulations to Waye! It was a really impressive campaign. I'm delighted with how things turned out for me. There's no shame in coming second to McCluskey in a crowded field on the first time out. It's really humbling to have garnered so much support. We'll see what the next few years brings. I may just try again in 2016

I highly encourage you to do so, you did really well against an incumbent whos been around for 20 years! Well done on a fantastic campaign and I look forward to seeing you back in 2016!