Observations on very recent immigration trends for your City

[mrnyc]

there are 200k armenians around the nyc metro —

also there are 3k+ in cleveland.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by mrnyc

also there are 3k+ in cleveland.

Doesn't surprise me.

I got curious about Armenians in the Midwest so I went Google mapping, searching for "Armenian Church" as a proxy for Armenian communities. Cleveland has the only one I could find in Ohio


The results (by metro area):

Chicago: 7
Milwaukee: 4 (2 down in the Racine area!)
Detroit: 3
St. Louis: 2 (both in the metro east)
Cleveland: 1
Kanas City: 1
Minneapolis: 1

That was all I could find.

[Tom In Chicago]

Growing up in Kenosha I knew some Armenians. . . in fact the long time mayor up until just now is Armenian. . .

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[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Tom In Chicago

Growing up in Kenosha I knew some Armenians. . . in fact the long time mayor up until just now is Armenian. . .

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Interesting.

According to Google maps, there are two Armenian Churches in Racine, and two in Waukegan, but none in Kenosha?

The others in the broader region:

Chicagoland:
Chicago (Belmont Cragin)
Evanston
Glenview
Mount Prospect
Palos Heights

Milwaukeeland:
Milwaukee (SW side)
South Milwaukee

Caveat: all info above is only as accurate as the gmaps database.



I went to Loyola Academy in Wilmette, and given its status as one of the premiere Catholic high schools in Chicagoland, combined with its proximity to Evanston and Glenview, we had a noticeable (but not huge) presence of Armenian kids, along with other eastern European church kids like Greek and Serbian Orthodox and such.

[Velvet_Highground]

Hmm interesting I just googled about the local Armenian population in Metro Detroit. I’m not surprised to find out most live in the NW burbs I knew a few coming up in Farmington Hills. The Dearborn area, Farmington Hills, Livonia, Southfield & West Bloomfield are where most of the (60,000 according to wiki) 15k by The News live making the community the 4th largest in the Western Hemisphere (according to their local FB page) 4th in the US according to a 8 year News article apparently.

[Tom In Chicago]

There's a gal in my building who's originally from Bulgaria and we were talking about how her family moved here, but I guess Chicago has one of the largest - if not the largest (I can't independently verify this) - Bulgarian diasporas in the world. . .

Maybe someone can confirm or deny? I dunno. . . sounded plausible as there are lots of large Eastern European groups here already. . .

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[RST500]

The migrant wave since the pandemic has been unprecedented, but I have not really noticed the impact in Southern California. I feel that California's demographics are changing less than in other parts of the nation. California underwent its demographic transformation from 1980 to 2010s.

-Mexican immigration to California has dramatically slowed down
-California has less appeal to non-Mexican/Northern Triangle Latinos
-the Bay Area's dramatic Asian and Indian growth of the 2010s will likely slow due to tech layoffs
-though a lot of Chinese and Indian Sikh migrants are coming to California but are poorer than the 2010s Asian wave
-California does seem to be attracting Afghan and Ukrainian refugees, especially Sacramento

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by RST500

The migrant wave since the pandemic has been unprecedented, but I have not really noticed the impact in Southern California. I feel that California's demographics are changing less than in other parts of the nation. California underwent its demographic transformation from 1980 to 2010s.

-Mexican immigration to California has dramatically slowed down
-California has less appeal to non-Mexican/Northern Triangle Latinos
-the Bay Area's dramatic Asian and Indian growth of the 2010s will likely slow due to tech layoffs
-though a lot of Chinese and Indian Sikh migrants are coming to California but are poorer than the 2010s Asian wave
-California does seem to be attracting Afghan and Ukrainian refugees, especially Sacramento

Russians are really buying up Van Nuys in the SFV Valley I heard.
It was long time working class hispanic area but there are signifigant changes there.
Wonder how its going to go going forward. Van Nuys is more affordable than many parts of LA Metro, so i get it.

It does feel like Sherman Oaks is inching north and that appears to be Van Nuys fate.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Russians are really buying up Van Nuys in the SFV Valley I heard.
It was long time working class hispanic area but there are signifigant changes there.
Wonder how its going to go going forward. Van Nuys is more affordable than many parts of LA Metro, so i get it.

It does feel like Sherman Oaks is inching north and that appears to be Van Nuys fate.

I lived in northwestern Van Nuys my first year in college (I had to take the freaking bus to UCLA!). We were in a two-story apartment in a big complex right on Sepulveda, just one of multiple blocks of three- and four-story complexes along the boulevard. But the side streets were all single-family homes with pools and white homeowners (we're talking circa 1998). Latinos were probably a plurality in Van Nuys then but the area wasn't as Latino as it became in subsequent years. And the Russians were always there--my roommate had an illicit affair going with a Russian AM/PM clerk up the road, which was comedy gold for the rest of us.

[ChrisLA]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Russians are really buying up Van Nuys in the SFV Valley I heard.
It was long time working class hispanic area but there are signifigant changes there.
Wonder how its going to go going forward. Van Nuys is more affordable than many parts of LA Metro, so i get it.

It does feel like Sherman Oaks is inching north and that appears to be Van Nuys fate.

I don’t have this information on paper, but I can tell you from what I see everyday you are correct. I’m right on the border of Van Nuys and most of the people I see daily are majority Russians and Ukrainians. I wouldn’t say it’s affordable, but yes less than Sherman Oaks.

Technically I’m in Valley Glen, but we’re really close and the house across the street from me is going for $1,175.00 and it’s about 1650 square feet. Most of the houses I’m seeing in Van Nuys is asking over a million, I’m actually surprised because I see houses in West Hills going for less and I’m pretty sure West Hills would be considered a better neighborhood. I’m thinking it’s the close proximity west LA, and Hollywood. Plus as you mentioned Sherman Oaks spill over. I think too, this area definitely feels less suburban and a lot more congested so in a sense it kinda feels more like a neighborhood over the hill in the LA basin.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by ChrisLA

I don’t have this information on paper, but I can tell you from what I see everyday you are correct. I’m right on the border of Van Nuys and most of the people I see daily are majority Russians and Ukrainians. I wouldn’t say it’s affordable, but yes less than Sherman Oaks.

Technically I’m in Valley Glen, but we’re really close and the house across the street from me is going for $1,175.00 and it’s about 1650 square feet. Most of the houses I’m seeing in Van Nuys is asking over a million, I’m actually surprised because I see houses in West Hills going for less and I’m pretty sure West Hills would be considered a better neighborhood. I’m thinking it’s the close proximity west LA, and Hollywood. Plus as you mentioned Sherman Oaks spill over. I think too, this area definitely feels less suburban and a lot more congested so in a sense it kinda feels more like a neighborhood over the hill in the LA basin.

Sorry, I meant less pricy than Sherman Oaks. Yea, Ive been in a few restaurants in Van Nuys and its starting to look pretty Russian/eastern Europeaan lol. Its pretty interesting/. The Sepulveda blvd section anyway. Ive seen young Russian blondes at Sherman Way and Sepulveda recently. Theyre taking over lol

[craigs]

Originally Posted by LA21st

The Sepulveda blvd section anyway. Ive seen young Russian blondes at Sherman Way and Sepulveda recently. Theyre taking over lol

That's where I lived! I actually liked it there, but I had to move closer to school.

[ChrisLA]

Originally Posted by LA21st

Sorry, I meant less pricy than Sherman Oaks. Yea, Ive been in a few restaurants in Van Nuys and its starting to look pretty Russian/eastern Europeaan lol. Its pretty interesting/. The Sepulveda blvd section anyway. Ive seen young Russian blondes at Sherman Way and Sepulveda recently. Theyre taking over lol

The area definitely has an international feel to it, there are very few native born around here. In my small condo complex of 9 units we have, Indian, Asian, South American (Peruvian), mixed race, black, Mexican, Armenian, and Caucasian. We are a diverse group here, but it was the similar in my Woodland Hills neighborhood , but more Persians, and much of the white people were mainly Eastern European, very few Latinos.

BTW my office is on Sherman Way, and Sepulveda the complex next door to the Mc Donald’s. I’m only there 2 days a week, telework the other days. It’s a very busy area, and I often see a lot of people walking to and from the grocery store, it’s a good area if you don’t have a car.

[craigs]

Originally Posted by ChrisLA

The area definitely has an international feel to it, there are very native born around here. In my small condo complex of 9 units we have, Indian, Asian, South American (Peruvian), mixed race, black, Mexican, Armenian, and Caucasian. We are a diverse group here, but it was the similar in my Woodland Hills neighborhood , but more Persians, and much of the white people were mainly Eastern European, very few Latinos.

BTW my office is on Sherman Way, and Sepulveda the complex next door to the Mc Donald’s. I’m only there 2 days a week, telework the other days. It’s a very busy area, and I often see a lot of people walking to and from the grocery store, it’s a good area if you don’t have a car.

That "Jons" was a Vons when I lived there, haha. Also, you're near The Liquid Zoo! If you haven't been, I wouldn't recommend it. I have some really scary college-years memories of that place . . . .

[RST500]

Originally Posted by ChrisLA

The area definitely has an international feel to it, there are very few native born around here. In my small condo complex of 9 units we have, Indian, Asian, South American (Peruvian), mixed race, black, Mexican, Armenian, and Caucasian. We are a diverse group here, but it was the similar in my Woodland Hills neighborhood , but more Persians, and much of the white people were mainly Eastern European, very few Latinos.

BTW my office is on Sherman Way, and Sepulveda the complex next door to the Mc Donald’s. I’m only there 2 days a week, telework the other days. It’s a very busy area, and I often see a lot of people walking to and from the grocery store, it’s a good area if you don’t have a car.

People assume the Valley is just White/Jewish and Mexican but it is much more diverse than assumed. I noticed a cluster of Indian businesses around Canoga Park/Warner Center and also heard there is a small but growing Central Asian community in Valley Village/North Hollywood. I was looking at a map of ancestry and it showed Peruvian ancestry around Van Nuys and Reseda and Indian an plurality in one census tract in Warner Center as well as Porter Ranch. The Valley was majority White from the 50s to 80s and shifted mostly Mexican by the 90s. I think the Valley could be super diverse by the 2030s.

[LA21st]

Originally Posted by RST500

People assume the Valley is just White/Jewish and Mexican but it is much more diverse than assumed. I noticed a cluster of Indian businesses around Canoga Park/Warner Center and also heard there is a small but growing Central Asian community in Valley Village/North Hollywood. I was looking at a map of ancestry and it showed Peruvian ancestry around Van Nuys and Reseda and Indian an plurality in one census tract in Warner Center as well as Porter Ranch. The Valley was majority White from the 50s to 80s and shifted mostly Mexican by the 90s. I think the Valley could be super diverse by the 2030s.

Theres also a Fiipino population moving into the Panorma City area so that area could be more asian and less mexican as well.

I have a Indian friend in Canoga Park and yes, theres a sizeable Indian population around Sherman Way. The northside of North Hollywood is more central american, I can see that. Not sure how long though.
Most of North Hollywood is getting gentrified/upscale in a hurry.. By 2030, its going to be the new Studio City. Parts of it already are. I dont see North Hollywood becoming more diverse.

[ChrisLA]

Originally Posted by craigs

That "Jons" was a Vons when I lived there, haha. Also, you're near The Liquid Zoo! If you haven't been, I wouldn't recommend it. I have some really scary college-years memories of that place . . . .

I figured it was probably a Vons at one time. A lot of supermarkets have changed to over in the area. Vallerta is a popular one that’s taking over the more traditional American markets, Super King is another, I think they are similar to Jon’s and caters to more ethnic and Middle Eastern and Indian products. The Jons market in Van Nuys carries has a large food court that serves up international food, lots of different types rice and chicken, and some Mexican food. My supervisor and I walked over for lunch on my first day when I started at the office.


Never been to the Liquid Zoo, I barely paid attention to it, but I’m thinking it’s probably more noticeable at night when I’ve already left for the day.

[Tom In Chicago]

Speaking of Indians. . . I've noticed a LOT more Indian/Pakistani people in downtown Chicago over the last couple years. . . there are a bunch of small South Asian grocery store/bodegas that have opened up as well. . . don't know if this is an increase in population or just a trend among younger students. . .

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[RST500]

Fastest growing Latino groups in California are Dominican, Venezuelan, Colombian, and Honduran.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects...on-california/


Fastest growing Asian groups are Nepalis, Singapore, Mongolian, and Bangladeshi.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects...te%20residents.

[RST500]

4.1 million migrants: Where they’re from, where they live in the U.S.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/immig...migrants-live/