ATLANTA | Development Thread V

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

I really don't understand spending taxpayer money for a bridge or tunnel. There are 8 home games per year plus a few special events. Why not just turn on a traffic signal for these events with a couple of cops to help out? If you want to spend money why not just build a trolley line to the stadium?

8 Home Games for Falcons...but how many MLS games, SEC tournament games, college football games, trade shows/events in GWCC, and more that will still be using the bridge as well? It's not just going to be open just for 8 NFL home games.

Have you ever been in this area when a sporting event lets out? It's not just a trickle of people and a few cars to stop. There's a sea of people outside - so rather than just making them wait and/or stopping traffic why not split the difference in demand to cross Northside? Clearly the current situation already has cops directing traffic/pedestrians and it's not efficient - especially as new developments come on board along Northside Drive.

[Libertarian]

Who pays - Atlanta city or Georgia state?

[AtlHeel]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Who pays - Atlanta city or Georgia state?

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[Atlanta3000]

Crescent Lenox

• 25 Stories, 385 feet tall and totals 392,000 square feet
• 352 apartments
• Future phase to include Starwood Hotel

http://buckheadview.com/2015/10/07/cresc...d-25-story-apartment-tower-off-lenox-rd/

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Land development permit was filed for this property:

http://livablebuckhead.com/359-east-paces-ferry-road/


Also Crescent Lenox looks somewhat similar to that old development that was going to behind Lenox Mall.

[alco89]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Also Crescent Lenox looks somewhat similar to that old development that was going to behind Lenox Mall.

That's exactly what it is.

Edit: Neeeeeevermind, no it's not.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

I really don't understand spending taxpayer money for a bridge or tunnel. There are 8 home games per year plus a few special events. Why not just turn on a traffic signal for these events with a couple of cops to help out? If you want to spend money why not just build a trolley line to the stadium?

This is a common thing for stadiums. I just went to a college game in another city and had to go through a damp/dim tunnel with the rest of the cattle, and I will tell you that I would have much preferred a bridge. The tunnel experience is less than pleasant, and they still require those with mobility issues to hold up traffic and cross on the street because of the steepness of the stairs.

When thousands of pedestrians are crossing the surrounding streets at one time you don't want them holding up traffic for others trying to get into the stadium or just driving through the area...it can be a constant stream for long periods of time. Many stadiums have tunnels/bridges because they are just a good idea.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by Atlanta3000

Crescent Lenox

• 25 Stories, 385 feet tall and totals 392,000 square feet
• 352 apartments
• Future phase to include Starwood Hotel

http://buckheadview.com/2015/10/07/cresc...d-25-story-apartment-tower-off-lenox-rd/

Is that within walking distance of the Lenox station?

[Libertarian]

Originally Posted by arjay57

Is that within walking distance of the Lenox station?

Yes, one short block over.

[TarHeelJ]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Yes, one short block over.

Maybe they will build a pedestrian bridge between the two.

[SFB]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Land development permit was filed for this property:

http://livablebuckhead.com/359-east-paces-ferry-road/


Also Crescent Lenox looks somewhat similar to that old development that was going to behind Lenox Mall.

Yeah, I totally agree.

http://devmap.io/developments/lenox-towers

[testarossa50]

Originally Posted by arctk2014

::Also much cheaper to haul away a modest amount of dirt than to build an elevated structure, and you don't have to mess with all those power lines (although rerouting underground utilities could be necessary).::

I think testarossa50 was being sarcastic or rather you were?

The underground tunnel construction costs are way more prohibitive than an elevated structure. This portion of Northside Drive has already placed most of the utilities underground because of the stadium construction.

Do you have a source for this?

We're not talking about relocating thousands of feet of utilities. In one project I had to relocate a dozen large diameter petroleum pipelines under an active road while keeping both the road and the pipes continuously operational. The whole relocation deal cost $2.5 million.

Given you've got overhead power lines to deal with, you're going to be cutting the earth open and burying/rerouting utilities no matter which route you go.

Turner Field has a pedestrian underpass. ADA compliant and you'd barely ever even know it's there:



Maybe it's just because I grew up in Peachtree City where they just use large diameter corrugated metal pipes for golf cart path tunnels in dozens of locations around the city, but they don't strike me as hellaciously expensive nor particularly dreary.

[bryantm3]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Don't think in a decent society it's a requirement that public spaces are available to everybody. Sorry, now I'm done with the threadjack.

it doesn't matter what you think is decent; it's federal law. and it became federal law because of people like you.

[arctk2014]

Originally Posted by testarossa50

Do you have a source for this?

We're not talking about relocating thousands of feet of utilities. In one project I had to relocate a dozen large diameter petroleum pipelines under an active road while keeping both the road and the pipes continuously operational. The whole relocation deal cost $2.5 million.

Given you've got overhead power lines to deal with, you're going to be cutting the earth open and burying/rerouting utilities no matter which route you go.

Turner Field has a pedestrian underpass. ADA compliant and you'd barely ever even know it's there:



Maybe it's just because I grew up in Peachtree City where they just use large diameter corrugated metal pipes for golf cart path tunnels in dozens of locations around the city, but they don't strike me as hellaciously expensive nor particularly dreary.

I wouldn't use Turner Field as a good example of an underpass...that whole area is a mess for queuing between people and cars.

Not sure why you're comparing golf cart tunnels in Peachtree City to a pedestrian tunnel in the City of Atlanta for a major sporting arena. Completely different situation/uses. GA Tech has a tunnel under the Connector at 3rd Street that remains mostly locked due to security reasons - not quite the aesthetic/function this area warrants.

[gttx]

Originally Posted by Libertarian

Don't think in a decent society it's a requirement that public spaces are available to everybody. Sorry, now I'm done with the threadjack.

The argument against this seems sort of self-evident if you just consider the bold.

Also, ADA doesn't mandate that everyone must take the same route, just that an accessible route must be provided. So there could be a long circuitous ramp AND stairs for those of us who can use them. But surely you can understand that only providing stairs is just as arduous for the physically handicapped as the long ramp would be for the rest of us. That's what ADA exists to protect against.

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[GeorgiaPeanuts]

Alta Midtown has a website now with higher-res render:
http://www.altamidtown.com/

[AtlHeel]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Alta Midtown has a website now with higher-res render:
http://www.altamidtown.com/

Although it doesn't have the 'splash' of some of the new developments, I think this one is going to better than expected. I was driving up W Ptree today and it's really making a presence.

[arjay57]

Originally Posted by GeorgiaPeanuts

Alta Midtown has a website now with higher-res render:
http://www.altamidtown.com/

That's a great looking building in my opinion.

On an incidental note, I am not a big fan of websites that start with a giant image, so that you then have to scroll down looking for links to content. That seems to be an increasingly common style. Give me a home page with navigation links up front.

Again, that's not at all a critique of this building. The website for the new office building in Buckhead linked to above does the same thing. I like both buildings, I just don't like their websites.

[Zanarkand A East]

I wonder what "restuarant" they have in mind for Alta Midtown?