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Old Posted Jan 29, 2020, 12:23 AM
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So what changed?
Probably immigration policies for the US and the fact that the economy seems to be recovering from a near recession. Also Horgan has pulled back.

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If I was a shareholder in these companies, I'd be wondering why they are choosing very expensive jurisdictions to locate their offices.

I also wonder where all these prospective new hires are coming from. Unless they're in the Lower Mainland now, or in San Francisco, they're going to get a nasty shock as to how expensive housing is and how little you get for your money in Vancouver.

The sudden explosion of these jobs seems very much like 1999, or Tech Bubble 2.0
I agree with you except for the housing price shock. Vancouver's rents are lower than many places. There not even close to the 5%+ you'd normally expect. And our housing costs are much lower than Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, HK, Singapore, London, etc. Housing is only expensive if you go by median income. Vancouver's median income is really low, much lower than Surrey's. (65k Vancouver, 77.5k Surrey, 92.3k Delta, 86k Maple Ridge, 72.6k Metro Vancouver, etc.). That whole downtown east side drastically drops our average.

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If I was a shareholder in these companies, I'd be wondering why they are choosing very expensive jurisdictions to locate their offices.

I also wonder where all these prospective new hires are coming from. Unless they're in the Lower Mainland now, or in San Francisco, they're going to get a nasty shock as to how expensive housing is and how little you get for your money in Vancouver.

The sudden explosion of these jobs seems very much like 1999, or Tech Bubble 2.0
I'm sure large multinational tech companies are aware of things like this when they decide on opening offices.

This is good news. This is good diversity and helps build vancouver as a world node in tech. Sure better than alberta's plan to yank tech incentives and put them to oil and gas.

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Did this get posted here? Mastercard is open a 6th world centre here for cybersecurity.

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Vancouver will become home to a new cybersecurity centre for one of the world's major financial services and credit card companies.

At the World Economic Forum Annual Meeting in Davos, Switzerland, on January 23, Canadian Minister of Innovation, Science, and Industry Navdeep Bains and Mastercard CEO Ajay Banga announced the launch of Mastercard’s new intelligence and cyber centre in Vancouver, which is one of six global technology centres for the company.

The centre, which Mastercard has invested $510 million into in addition to $49 million in federal funding, will create 380 jobs and will focus on developing cyber solutions for payments, according to Mastercard.

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Old Posted Jan 29, 2020, 2:10 AM
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Just going to point out that unemployment in the metro is 4.8%, or about 118 thousand people. Without trying to sound protectionist, surely at least a couple thousand locals have desirable software credentials, and new companies aren't hiring 100% from overseas?

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Probably immigration policies for the US and the fact that the economy seems to be recovering from a near recession. Also Horgan has pulled back.



I agree with you except for the housing price shock. Vancouver's rents are lower than many places. There not even close to the 5%+ you'd normally expect. And our housing costs are much lower than Tokyo, Shanghai, Beijing, HK, Singapore, London, etc. Housing is only expensive if you go by median income. Vancouver's median income is really low, much lower than Surrey's. (65k Vancouver, 77.5k Surrey, 92.3k Delta, 86k Maple Ridge, 72.6k Metro Vancouver, etc.). That whole downtown east side drastically drops our average.
Yo, nobody in their right mind is comparing a Beta City of ~2.5 million to Tokyo/London/NYC, or even San Fran/L.A. Our ballpark is still Seattle, Calgary and Portland.

And Horgan's crackdown on foreign ownership has arguably made BC more attractive. There's no shortage of non-real estate companies wanting to come here that're scared by the rents.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2020, 2:14 AM
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Probably should mention that Alberta also has a large LNG industry which is arguably booming.
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You probably shouldn't mention it because a) it has nothing much to do with Vancouver Business and b) it arguably isn't booming
Yes, and the LNG industry also had tax breaks before Kenney was elected. If you don't think the government should pick/choose winners, this is bad; if you do, it's kind of stupid.
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2020, 2:46 AM
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Great news about Shopify expanding finally to Vancouver, which is becoming Canada's de factor software development center for all companies. All these roles will be well-paying, however most people will still have to rent as buying is not possible with salary jobs.

I also wonder where are we going to find all this talent, as our cost of living is making it quite unappealing to take a position in Vancouver vs. many other cities with higher salaries and cheaper labour.
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Probably immigration policies for the US and the fact that the economy seems to be recovering from a near recession. Also Horgan has pulled back.
Near recession? Pulled back? Please... tell me more.
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Near recession? Pulled back? Please... tell me more.
In fairness to Misher, Canada posted 0% growth. Likely to be same again this Q, so were nearing a technical recession. Though I dont think this applies to the Metro Van region, which has been posting the strongest growth rate of any city in Canada.
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In fairness to Misher, Canada posted 0% growth. Likely to be same again this Q, so were nearing a technical recession. Though I dont think this applies to the Metro Van region, which has been posting the strongest growth rate of any city in Canada.
No his point was we were near a recession some point in the past, but after Horgan became premier. But now we're in better shape because reasons.

He's talking out his ass.
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It is so fascinating that news like Shopify, Mastercard, Microsoft, Amazon expanding here ilicits so many negative comments, I'm really surprised. The region of course needs to tackle rental shortages, housing availability etc., but those things would be even worse without these economic expansions. As many have said, our real estate prices are already detached from wages, that's blatantly obvious. If we stopped getting job growth (esp. good jobs with high profile companies), the house prices would still be high (due to the same factors that got the prices high in the first place without economic fundamentals), the existing rental stock would still be insufficient, and we would still have a luxury fuelled market but on top of that. But then we'd have no job growth in good industries that will actually benefit the city itself) on top of it. I get wanting the housing issues to be solved, but wishing away this type of job growth is astonishing to me; we are in an (arguably) enviable position of being a fairly small city (in a global sense) that has a really well known reputation, is very desirable, a magnet for top companies, a thriving port, airport links, movie industry, tech, tourism, etc. At this point even if industries left, the housing prices would still be stubbornly high, so I think welcoming businesses with open arms is a no-brainer
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I dont know. I have people that occasionally try to recruit me to Vancouver but every time the salary or daily rate is so far off from market rates the conversation dies on the spot. Obviously someone is taking the jobs but some of these positions for these multinationals are 150 to 200 plus thousand a year positions and they try to pay half that in a high cost of living area. I have collegues in the same boat and they laugh at the offers they are presented with for Vancouver. It makes me think the jobs are almost fully driven by immigration from the developing world because I have no other explanation.

Still better to have jobs then to not have jobs I suppose. Now if only they paid market rates one day.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2020, 6:03 PM
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I don't know where you are comparing to, cornholio, but at least in my experience salary offers have gone up significantly in the last 3 years. These new roles are all paying very well but like zahav says, will still struggle to buy a house in here. But that's not any different from San Francisco, where salaries are higher but real estate is even more expensive. Also there everyone is squeezed due to the market.

I am still surprised that 1000 new positions will fit on just 4 floors. That is either one heck of a crammed office or then the floor place on these towers are huge. And with the same logic, one single office tower in Downtown must then be the hub for thousands if not close to 10 000 employees, which just feels hard to believe.
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It is so fascinating that news like Shopify, Mastercard, Microsoft, Amazon expanding here ilicits so many negative comments, I'm really surprised. The region of course needs to tackle rental shortages, housing availability etc., but those things would be even worse without these economic expansions. As many have said, our real estate prices are already detached from wages, that's blatantly obvious. If we stopped getting job growth (esp. good jobs with high profile companies), the house prices would still be high (due to the same factors that got the prices high in the first place without economic fundamentals), the existing rental stock would still be insufficient, and we would still have a luxury fuelled market but on top of that. But then we'd have no job growth in good industries that will actually benefit the city itself) on top of it. I get wanting the housing issues to be solved, but wishing away this type of job growth is astonishing to me; we are in an (arguably) enviable position of being a fairly small city (in a global sense) that has a really well known reputation, is very desirable, a magnet for top companies, a thriving port, airport links, movie industry, tech, tourism, etc. At this point even if industries left, the housing prices would still be stubbornly high, so I think welcoming businesses with open arms is a no-brainer
The issue is more with the tech companies themselves. They are rather needlessly directing all growth to urban areas that are already overheated. If the rumoured proportion of foreign workers is true, it would seem likely they'd be just as happy to be offered a Canadian job in Calgary or KW where the cost of living is much cheaper.

People go on about how much money it brings to the city but for what? More restaurants, how does that work if the servers and cooks can't afford to live here? The same goes for sales clerks at high-end boutiques or artists.
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I don't know where you are comparing to, cornholio, but at least in my experience salary offers have gone up significantly in the last 3 years. These new roles are all paying very well but like zahav says, will still struggle to buy a house in here. But that's not any different from San Francisco, where salaries are higher but real estate is even more expensive. Also there everyone is squeezed due to the market.

I am still surprised that 1000 new positions will fit on just 4 floors. That is either one heck of a crammed office or then the floor place on these towers are huge. And with the same logic, one single office tower in Downtown must then be the hub for thousands if not close to 10 000 employees, which just feels hard to believe.
1000 people on 4 floors is 250 people per floor which seems pretty high, but if it's over a couple shifts that only 125 people per floor. If they are running overnight and weekends too that number is down around 80 per floor which seems pretty reasonable.
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Perhaps some of the employees 'based out of the office' will be telecommuting?
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2020, 7:14 PM
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The issue is more with the tech companies themselves. They are rather needlessly directing all growth to urban areas that are already overheated. If the rumoured proportion of foreign workers is true, it would seem likely they'd be just as happy to be offered a Canadian job in Calgary or KW where the cost of living is much cheaper.

People go on about how much money it brings to the city but for what? More restaurants, how does that work if the servers and cooks can't afford to live here? The same goes for sales clerks at high-end boutiques or artists.
Probably people from places that rarely/never see snow spend one winter in Calgary and decide Vancouver is worth the extra rent.

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The issue is more with the tech companies themselves. They are rather needlessly directing all growth to urban areas that are already overheated. If the rumoured proportion of foreign workers is true, it would seem likely they'd be just as happy to be offered a Canadian job in Calgary or KW where the cost of living is much cheaper.

People go on about how much money it brings to the city but for what? More restaurants, how does that work if the servers and cooks can't afford to live here? The same goes for sales clerks at high-end boutiques or artists.
I don't think it's necessarily needless for tech companies to direct growth into a handful of overheated urban markets. Those are where an existing talent pool exists, and more importantly, it's where the broader ecosystem exists to support growth: size and composition of the existing market; capital raising and M&A velocity; post-secondary feeders; immigration rates and intertia; international airport; large anchor companies sloughing off experienced staff to smaller actors or startups; etc.
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This Burnaby inventor just sold his cool tech for millions

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FEBRUARY 3, 2020


Sniply, a venture created by SFU alumnus and Burnaby resident Michael Cheng as a marketing tool for link sharing, is being acquired in a multi-million-dollar deal by Tim Schumacher, founder of Adblock Plus, a company whose ad-blocking plugin has more than 100 million users.

Cheng created Sniply in 2014, shortly after he completed the Next 36 program, a national initiative supporting youth innovation. Since then he and his partners built Sniply to 500,000 users. The company has been highlighted internationally by such publications as Forbes Magazine.

The acquisition comes only months after Cheng’s latest venture, Lumen5, won the New Venture BC top prize for 2019.

“Given the phenomenal growth curve we are seeing at Lumen5, we decided to begin exploring acquisition offers for Sniply, and have just accepted a multi-million dollar offer from Tim Schumacher, the founder of Adblock Plus,” said Cheng, a graduate of SFU’s School of Interactive Arts and Technology, where he conceived many of his innovative ideas.


“It has definitely been an exciting journey,” Cheng said. “After spending three years growing Sniply, we saw how video was transforming internet use, and took the opportunity to build a new company, Lumen5.”

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I don't think it's necessarily needless for tech companies to direct growth into a handful of overheated urban markets. Those are where an existing talent pool exists, and more importantly, it's where the broader ecosystem exists to support growth: size and composition of the existing market; capital raising and M&A velocity; post-secondary feeders; immigration rates and intertia; international airport; large anchor companies sloughing off experienced staff to smaller actors or startups; etc.
Completely agree. Canada's a big country but there are only a very small handful of places any business would want to set up shop; we haven't established enough centers around the country to do otherwise. Like there practically is nowhere else in Western Canada aside from Vancouver or, to a small degree Calgary that would be remotely attractive to a multinational.

And knowing educated immigrants and foreign workers, I would say location does play a role in whether they would come here. If company X had a position in Vancouver and company Y had a position in Edmonton, it's probably a no-brainer for 99% of foreign workers, especially from Asia.
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I don't think it's necessarily needless for tech companies to direct growth into a handful of overheated urban markets. Those are where an existing talent pool exists, and more importantly, it's where the broader ecosystem exists to support growth: size and composition of the existing market; capital raising and M&A velocity; post-secondary feeders; immigration rates and intertia; international airport; large anchor companies sloughing off experienced staff to smaller actors or startups; etc.
Exactly. Tech clusters, not just in Canada but all over the world. Tech employers cluster, and so do employees. No one wants to go to a town where there's only one employment option and no one want's to be hiring employees where there's no existing talent base.

Mastercard was not going to open an office in Regina or London ON for the same deal, in fact there is almost no deal that would convince them to go there short of the entire thing being paid for.

Let's enjoy tech's interest in Canada, it's a real boom time for the economies of Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, and will provide good paying jobs in a sustainable industry.
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Exactly. Tech clusters, not just in Canada but all over the world. Tech employers cluster, and so do employees. No one wants to go to a town where there's only one employment option and no one want's to be hiring employees where there's no existing talent base.

Mastercard was not going to open an office in Regina or London ON for the same deal, in fact there is almost no deal that would convince them to go there short of the entire thing being paid for.

And this is why some members of the tech industry are concerned by the latest moves of the NDP government:

Name Change Casts Doubt on B.C. government’s Tech Priorities


By Tyler Orton | February 3, 2020


Amid a late-January cabinet shuffle in Victoria, there was another notable change afoot in Victoria: the Ministry of Jobs, Trade and Technology was chopping a few very key words from its name.

Instead, the ministry handling the technology portfolio would now be known as the Ministry of Jobs, Economic Development and Competitiveness, led by the previous energy minister, Michelle Mungall
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The province was already in the process of closing its trade offices in Asia – but why scrub “technology” from the name?

In response to a request from Business in Vancouver to interview the new minister, a government spokeswoman said it would be weeks before Mungall would be available to discuss the reasoning behind the name change or what it might signal to industry, or otherwise offer her thoughts on the province’s technology sector.

But a story from Postmedia shortly before the January 22 cabinet shuffle revealed some hints as to the province’s direction and where technology lands as a priority.

In a plan distributed to top provincial bureaucrats and select stakeholders, the government outlined its desire to spread economic growth throughout more rural parts of the province
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“Squamish, the Tri-Cities, Delta, Tsawwassen, Langford and others offer significant advantages for technology start-ups or satellite office locations, offering lower operating and housing costs, while providing employees the convenience of avoiding gridlock and the benefit of saving time and money while reducing their carbon footprint,” Postmedia quoted from the plan.

The framework also cited Interior communities experiencing “transformational growth” in the technology sector as workers seek out a lower cost of living while staying connected to work through high-speed internet.

Vancouver, however, remains the country’s third most desirable tech hub behind Toronto and Ottawa, according to real estate services firm CBRE Group Inc.’s November 2019 Scoring Tech Talent report.

The city has added 22,300 tech workers to the region over the past five years, a 42.6% increase to a total of 74,700.

“Tech in Vancouver is booming,” said Ray Walia, CEO of the Launch Academy technology incubator in Gastown. “But it’s happening despite the government, not because of the government.”

“When you are looking at it from a global lens, international tech companies or even just an engineer sitting in Romania doesn’t know Victoria, doesn’t know the Okanagan,” Walia said. “That’s what we should really be focused on, is building the brand of Vancouver as a tech epicentre.”


Walia, who spent much of the last year travelling throughout Asia to tout Vancouver as a tech hub for international players, is also lamenting the shuttering of the province’s trade offices across the continent.

The province is folding them into embassies and consulates led by the federal government, but Walia said he’s lost many of his contacts in Asia as a result.

“International trade takes a hit because those were the touch points, those were the connections B.C. companies had in those markets to expand and grow,” he said. “I’ve got to build my relationships with those people all over again.”

Full article here: https://biv.com/article/2020/02/name-change-casts-doubt-bc-governments-tech-priorities
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