ATLANTA | Development Thread V - Page 789

Libertarian · #**15761** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 12:15 PM**

Yeah, the cost and inconvenience of ADA will kill this one or it becomes an underutilized eyesore. Let's keep the street crosswalk with cops directing traffic on game day.

arctk2014 · #**15762** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 12:34 PM**

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An elevator would be cheaper.

An elevator would not be cheaper.....

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**15763** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 1:55 PM**

Broadstone Terraces crane is up

Pemgin · #**15764** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 2:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

Yeah, the cost and inconvenience of ADA will kill this one or it becomes an underutilized eyesore. Let's keep the street crosswalk with cops directing traffic on game day.

Sorry, but building things to accommodate everyone is not an inconvenience. That's simply how things should be built.

Zanarkand A East · #**15765** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 2:37 PM**

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What do y'all think of this design??

Iconic.

Libertarian · #**15766** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 2:39 PM**

My point is it may help the disabled but is an inconvenience for the rest of us to walk around those indirect loops. It looks like three or four hundred feet of additional walking are involved. People will not do that, they will just cross at street level. Where is it written that the taxpayers need to make it possible for everyone to go everywhere anyway? That's PC BS.

Zanarkand A East · #**15767** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 2:39 PM**

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*****Sorry for the Size******

Don't apologize; I've been waiting for this for a loooong time. Can't wait to see that Hampton Inn!

Zanarkand A East · #**15768** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 2:45 PM**

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Originally Posted by ATLSkyPalaceOwner

Driving into work today, I noticed that the AMLI Arts Center parking lot has been coned off! There were only a couple of cars in the usually-full parking lot. Is work about to start?

(Sorry if this is old news, I had been out of town all last week and Monday).

Not sure why my post didn't post yesterday, but yes, this lot has been roped off since Monday. I noticed to day that there was an actual section of fence on the Spring Street entrance to go along with the plastic barricades I saw there Monday and Tuesday. I hope this project starts soon, like, next week "soon."

Meanwhile, traffic in the Regions Plaza deck nextdoor has been noticeably heavier.

thepope117 · #**15769** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 2:49 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

My point is it may help the disabled but is an inconvenience for the rest of us to walk around those indirect loops. It looks like three or four hundred feet of additional walking are involved. People will not do that, they will just cross at street level. Where is it written that the taxpayers need to make it possible for everyone to go everywhere anyway? That's PC BS.

ADA refers to the Americans with Disabilities Act which is not PC BS if your in a wheelchair.

RocketSurgeon · #**15770** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 3:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

Where is it written that the taxpayers need to make it possible for everyone to go everywhere anyway?

US Public Law 101-336

Atlanta3000 · #**15771** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 3:45 PM**

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimated that:

One in five Americans—about 53 million people—has a disability of some kind.
33 million Americans have a disability that makes it difficult for them to carry out daily activities; some have challenges with everyday activities, such as attending school or going to work, and may need help with their daily care.
2.2 million people in the United States depend on a wheelchair for day-to-day tasks and mobility.
6.5 million people use a cane, a walker, or crutches to assist with their mobility.

https://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/rehabtech/conditioninfo/Pages/people.aspx

arctk2014 · #**15772** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 3:58 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

My point is it may help the disabled but is an inconvenience for the rest of us to walk around those indirect loops. It looks like three or four hundred feet of additional walking are involved. People will not do that, they will just cross at street level. Where is it written that the taxpayers need to make it possible for everyone to go everywhere anyway? That's PC BS.

Ever think that good design is also accessible?

Verge · #**15773** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:12 PM**

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Originally Posted by thepope117

ADA refers to the Americans with Disabilities Act which is not PC BS if your in a wheelchair.

Thank You-- We will and should be judged as a society by how we treat those members that do not have the advantages that most have.

GeorgiaPeanuts · #**15774** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:22 PM**

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Originally Posted by thepope117

ADA refers to the Americans with Disabilities Act which is not PC BS if your in a wheelchair.

Yes, it is not PC BS.

My dad has been a wheelchair recently from falling off a ladder and all the ADA stuff you never notice and take for granted is the only way we could do things out in public while he recovers.

testarossa50 · #**15775** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 5:49 PM**

If you're going to argue for a sensible, thrifty solution, then throwing out the ADA is not the approach. The right way to cut this cost dramatically is by using a pedestrian tunnel rather than an overhead walkway. It's much easier to satisfy an 8' pedestrian clearance than a 14' roadway clearance. Also much cheaper to haul away a modest amount of dirt than to build an elevated structure, and you don't have to mess with all those power lines (although rerouting underground utilities could be necessary).

But less flashy, I suppose.

Libertarian · #**15776** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 7:03 PM**

testarossa50, I think you have made the practical and workable suggestion. Some of you folks think money is free.

arctk2014 · #**15777** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 7:17 PM**

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Originally Posted by Libertarian

testarossa50, I think you have made the practical and workable suggestion. Some of you folks think money is free.

::Also much cheaper to haul away a modest amount of dirt than to build an elevated structure, and you don't have to mess with all those power lines (although rerouting underground utilities could be necessary).::

I think testarossa50 was being sarcastic or rather you were?

The underground tunnel construction costs are way more prohibitive than an elevated structure. This portion of Northside Drive has already placed most of the utilities underground because of the stadium construction.

Pemgin · #**15778** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 7:30 PM**

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testarossa50, I think you have made the practical and workable suggestion. Some of you folks think money is free.

I don't think anyone here thinks money is free. If it is a government project, it should certainly be constructed so as to minimize waste, but that can't come at the cost of accessibility. Decent societies ensure that public spaces are open to all.

Libertarian · #**15779** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 7:31 PM**

I really don't understand spending taxpayer money for a bridge or tunnel. There are 8 home games per year plus a few special events. Why not just turn on a traffic signal for these events with a couple of cops to help out? If you want to spend money why not just build a trolley line to the stadium?

Libertarian · #**15780** Posted **Oct 7, 2015, 7:34 PM**

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Decent societies ensure that public spaces are open to all.

Don't think in a decent society it's a requirement that public spaces are available to everybody. Sorry, now I'm done with the threadjack.