YVR Airport & Sea Island Developments Discussion

[thenoflyzone]

I fully expect B6 to utilize the CSeries on these routes. What better way to start your first Canadian runs than with a Canadian built aircraft !

[s211]

I'll go out of my way to avoid Bombardier product thank you. It's not built in Canada. It's built in Quebec, which apparently has a national assembly go figure.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by s211

I'll go out of my way to avoid Bombardier product thank you. It's not built in Canada. It's built in Quebec, which apparently has a national assembly go figure.

The 'Assemblée Nationale' in Québec CIty is named for the Assemblée Nationale in Paris, which is why it is thusly named. In Québec, of course, it is the provincial capital, but aims to appease the nationalist aspiations of many Quebeckers. And Montreal and QC are great places, if you haven't been there.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by s211

I'll go out of my way to avoid Bombardier product thank you.

.....ok.

So no SkyTrain for you I guess.

Originally Posted by s211

It's not built in Canada.

Lol. it kind of is.

You might have had a point if you had said that JetBlue’s frames are assembled in Alabama, but you didn’t.

It’s built in Quebec, which apparently has a national assembly go figure.

Yeah. Since 1968. Is that a problem for you? Do you lose sleep at night because of it? I’m sure there’s pills for that.

Montreal’s hockey team is called the Canadiens. Is that an issue as well? Lol

[VancouverOfTheFuture]

Originally Posted by s211

I'll go out of my way to avoid Bombardier product thank you. It's not built in Canada. It's built in Quebec, which apparently has a national assembly go figure.

yeah, agreed. i do make sure to avoid supporting Quebecois products as much as i can. my tax dollars via equalization payments more than subsidize them and their constant complaining about Canada. of course, this is while they drain the West of our own money which then slows down our investment into our own infrastructure.

ironic when you think about it, our taxes subsidize Bombarider through the Quebecois government, and then we buy products for them so they can make a profit. we literally pay 2x for a product! how lovely.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by VancouverOfTheFuture

yeah, agreed. i do make sure to avoid supporting Quebecois products as much as i can. my tax dollars via equalization payments more than subsidize them and their constant complaining about Canada. of course, this is while they drain the West of our own money which then slows down our investment into our own infrastructure.

ironic when you think about it, our taxes subsidize Bombarider through the Quebecois government, and then we buy products for them so they can make a profit. we literally pay 2x for a product! how lovely.

Feel free to rant about it in the Federal government and politics thread.

This is an aviation/airport page. Keep it on topic.

Speaking of which, looks like CX will close its Canadian pilot base.

https://financialpost.com/pmn/business-p...-proposes-shutting-australia-new-zealand

[thenoflyzone]

All flights from India and Pakistan banned for 30 days, as of tonight.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-canad...nds-flights-from-india-and-pakistan.html

[nname]

So the first TK flight to YVR is currently enroute.

TK75 IST-YVR

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by nname

So the first TK flight to YVR is currently enroute.

TK75 IST-YVR

Yay!! At last. Best news at YVR for a long time.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yay!! At last. Best news at YVR for a long time.

Agreed.

Long term having more star alliance airlines that are not part of the Air Canada/Lufthansa/United alliance is a real positive for competition and connectivity. Next up they should go after courting TAP Air Portugal.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by casper

Agreed.

Long term having more star alliance airlines that are not part of the Air Canada/Lufthansa/United alliance is a real positive for competition and connectivity. Next up they should go after courting TAP Air Portugal.

Yes, that seems a great idea. But is there enough market demand for TAP at YVR? It seems like a long shot to me, but I hope I'm wrong.

[zahav]

I agree TAP Seems like a longshot. I'd say getting Rome on any carrier would be the next European city to get, it has way more tourist factor if anything. Outbound especiall. But I think that's a ways off, espcially given the state of the world. But longer term Rome makes more sense than anywhere in Portugal, IMO

[teriyaki]

Originally Posted by zahav

I agree TAP Seems like a longshot. I'd say getting Rome on any carrier would be the next European city to get, it has way more tourist factor if anything. Outbound especiall. But I think that's a ways off, espcially given the state of the world. But longer term Rome makes more sense than anywhere in Portugal, IMO

Air Transat started a route to Rome did it not just a year or two ago? Unsure how that went load-wise.

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

Yes, that seems a great idea. But is there enough market demand for TAP at YVR? It seems like a long shot to me, but I hope I'm wrong.

Historically TAP connecting traffic had been focused on connecting Europe to Africa and South America through Lisbon.

In the last few years before COVID they had expanded quite a bit in the US as well as returning to Montreal and Toronto. Lisbon is not a fantastic airport for connections, however it is better than London or Paris. San Francisco was one of their recent additions.

Both TAP and SAS are two Star Alliance airlines with reasonable hubs outside of coordinated pricing with Air Canada but still in the loyalty program.

[trofirhen]

Originally Posted by zahav

I agree TAP Seems like a longshot. I'd say getting Rome on any carrier would be the next European city to get, it has way more tourist factor if anything. Outbound especiall. But I think that's a ways off, espcially given the state of the world. But longer term Rome makes more sense than anywhere in Portugal, IMO

In fact, some years back, in a survey the results of which are not 'downloadable,' Rome was relatively high on a list of then-unserved destinations wanted from Vancouver.
Top of the list was Paris, which came into being back in 2015 on AF, also high was Melbourne, now normally served by AC. Rome might be an option if served by a mainline carrier, IMO.
Also, it would be a great hub for Southern Europe / Mediterrnaean destinations, as well as family, given the respectably large Italian population in Vancouver.
Potentially, the Seattle market - often a decisive factor in Vancouver traffic, and vice versa - could come into play with the easy connections to that market.
Before Air France arrived at YVR, a lot of YVR traffic went through SEA on AF. Additionally EK takes in YVR traffic through SEA with Westject correspndance.
I think that if Seattle is factored in as part of our destination market, YVR might have more going for it than realized. But that, of course, is wishful thinking at present.

[nname]

Here is the full Summer 2022 schedule AC currently loaded for all the flights out of YVR. Note that for domestic and transborder, I only list the range of flight numbers as flights are all perfectly grouped together (except YVR-YYZ), but there may be empty numbers in between.

The express flights are all re-numbered...

AC 4	789	D	NRT
AC 8	789	D	HKG
AC 26	789	D	PVG
AC 30	789	D	PEK
AC 34	77L	D	SYD
AC 36	788	D	BNE
AC 40	788	23467	KIX
AC 44	789	D	DEL
AC 64	789	D	ICN

AC  100.. 128	YYZ
AC  182.. 184	YYZ
AC  200.. 226	YYC
AC  232.. 252	YEG
AC  276.. 278	YXY
AC  294.. 298	YWG
AC  302.. 314	YUL
AC  342.. 348	YOW
AC  362		YHZ

AC  518		HNL
AC  532		BOS
AC  536		OGG
AC  538		ANC
AC  548		EWR
AC  550.. 560	LAX
AC  564.. 568	SFO

AC 804	333	1357	DUB
AC 846	789	D	FRA
AC 860	789	D	LHR
AC 862	788	D	LHR
AC 882	788	13567	ZRH

AC 970	7M8	6	PVR
AC 996	7M8	D	MEX

AC 1896..1898	LAS

AC 8028..8040	YCD
AC 8054..8062	YKA
AC 8088..8090	YPR
AC 8148..8172	YYJ
AC 8190..8196	YQR
AC 8268..8284	YLW
AC 8296..8300	YXC
AC 8318..8322	YQQ
AC 8342..8350	YXS
AC 8366..8372	YXJ
AC 8400		YZP
AC 8414..8418	YYF
AC 8438..8446	YXT
AC 8460..8462	YYD
AC 8482		YZF
AC 8502..8508	YXE
AC 8518..8522	YCG

AC 8596		SMF
AC 8626..8630	SJC
AC 8652..8658	PDX
AC 8710..8714	DEN
AC 8738		DFW
AC 8764..8768	SAN
AC 8800..8810	SEA
AC 8826..8828	ORD
AC 8844..8848	SFO
AC 8996		PHX

The notable flight missing are TPE, CDG and SNA

[casper]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

In fact, some years back, in a survey the results of which are not 'downloadable,' Rome was relatively high on a list of then-unserved destinations wanted from Vancouver.
Top of the list was Paris, which came into being back in 2015 on AF, also high was Melbourne, now normally served by AC. Rome might be an option if served by a mainline carrier, IMO.
Also, it would be a great hub for Southern Europe / Mediterrnaean destinations, as well as family, given the respectably large Italian population in Vancouver.
Potentially, the Seattle market - often a decisive factor in Vancouver traffic, and vice versa - could come into play with the easy connections to that market.
Before Air France arrived at YVR, a lot of YVR traffic went through SEA on AF. Additionally EK takes in YVR traffic through SEA with Westject correspndance.
I think that if Seattle is factored in as part of our destination market, YVR might have more going for it than realized. But that, of course, is wishful thinking at present.

I have not been to Paris since the Vancouver direct route start. When I have done it in the past it has been with a connection in Seattle and then Delta to Paris. I think the key there is Seattle is a hub for Delta and Paris is a hub for its partner Air France. I think it is flipped a couple times between Delta and Air France over the years.

[Denscity]

Originally Posted by nname

Here is the full Summer 2022 schedule AC currently loaded for all the flights out of YVR. Note that for domestic and transborder, I only list the range of flight numbers as flights are all perfectly grouped together (except YVR-YYZ), but there may be empty numbers in between.

The express flights are all re-numbered...

AC 4	789	D	NRT
AC 8	789	D	HKG
AC 26	789	D	PVG
AC 30	789	D	PEK
AC 34	77L	D	SYD
AC 36	788	D	BNE
AC 40	788	23467	KIX
AC 44	789	D	DEL
AC 64	789	D	ICN

AC  100.. 128	YYZ
AC  182.. 184	YYZ
AC  200.. 226	YYC
AC  302.. 314	YUL
AC  342.. 348	YOW
AC  362		YHZ

AC  518		HNL
AC  532		BOS
AC  536		OGG
AC  538		ANC
AC  548		EWR
AC  550.. 560	LAX
AC  564.. 568	SFO

AC 804	333	1357	DUB
AC 846	789	D	FRA
AC 860	789	D	LHR
AC 862	788	D	LHR
AC 882	788	13567	ZRH

AC 970	7M8	6	PVR
AC 996	7M8	D	MEX

AC 1896..1898	LAS

AC 8028..8040	YCD
AC 8054..8062	YKA
AC 8088..8090	YPR
AC 8148..8172	YYJ
AC 8190..8196	YQR
AC 8268..8284	YLW
AC 8296..8300	YXC
AC 8318..8322	YQQ
AC 8342..8350	YXS
AC 8366..8372	YXJ
AC 8400		YZP
AC 8414..8418	YYF
AC 8438..8446	YXT
AC 8460..8462	YYD
AC 8482		YZF
AC 8502..8508	YXE
AC 8518..8522	YCG

AC 8596		SMF
AC 8626..8630	SJC
AC 8652..8658	PDX
AC 8710..8714	DEN
AC 8738		DFW
AC 8764..8768	SAN
AC 8800..8810	SEA
AC 8826..8828	ORD
AC 8844..8848	SFO
AC 8996		PHX

The notable flight missing are TPE, CDG and SNA

YCG is back!! I wonder if anyone in my city knows this??

[Nick]

Originally Posted by nname

Here is the full Summer 2022 schedule AC currently loaded for all the flights out of YVR. Note that for domestic and transborder, I only list the range of flight numbers as flights are all perfectly grouped together (except YVR-YYZ), but there may be empty numbers in between.

The express flights are all re-numbered...

AC 4	789	D	NRT
AC 8	789	D	HKG
AC 26	789	D	PVG
AC 30	789	D	PEK
AC 34	77L	D	SYD
AC 36	788	D	BNE
AC 40	788	23467	KIX
AC 44	789	D	DEL
AC 64	789	D	ICN

AC  100.. 128	YYZ
AC  182.. 184	YYZ
AC  200.. 226	YYC
AC  302.. 314	YUL
AC  342.. 348	YOW
AC  362		YHZ

AC  518		HNL
AC  532		BOS
AC  536		OGG
AC  538		ANC
AC  548		EWR
AC  550.. 560	LAX
AC  564.. 568	SFO

AC 804	333	1357	DUB
AC 846	789	D	FRA
AC 860	789	D	LHR
AC 862	788	D	LHR
AC 882	788	13567	ZRH

AC 970	7M8	6	PVR
AC 996	7M8	D	MEX

AC 1896..1898	LAS

AC 8028..8040	YCD
AC 8054..8062	YKA
AC 8088..8090	YPR
AC 8148..8172	YYJ
AC 8190..8196	YQR
AC 8268..8284	YLW
AC 8296..8300	YXC
AC 8318..8322	YQQ
AC 8342..8350	YXS
AC 8366..8372	YXJ
AC 8400		YZP
AC 8414..8418	YYF
AC 8438..8446	YXT
AC 8460..8462	YYD
AC 8482		YZF
AC 8502..8508	YXE
AC 8518..8522	YCG

AC 8596		SMF
AC 8626..8630	SJC
AC 8652..8658	PDX
AC 8710..8714	DEN
AC 8738		DFW
AC 8764..8768	SAN
AC 8800..8810	SEA
AC 8826..8828	ORD
AC 8844..8848	SFO
AC 8996		PHX

The notable flight missing are TPE, CDG and SNA

Not showing YEG, YXY or YWG either.

[nname]

Originally Posted by Nick

Not showing YEG, YXY or YWG either.

Fixed in the original post