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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 8:29 PM
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Downtown Master Plan

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Mega plan unlike any other

Tue, January 27, 2009

By KATE DUBINSKI

Council Briefs

With more than 50 reports dating back to the 1960s, about everything from trees to parking to business, no one has thought to do what London city hall will try this year: come up with one master plan for the downtown core.

Last night, city hall's planning committee heard what managers call "terms of reference" for coming up with an all-encompassing plan for the city centre -- basically, discussion points and questions to guide city planners and councillors for decades.

"This vision will go a long way to solving what some call a problem and what I call a work in progress," said Bob Usher, chairperson of the London Downtown Business Association.

Last night's meeting saw a handful of interested citizens give input about everything from development outside of the downtown that affects the core, to affordable housing and a performing arts centre.

Among the questions planners will consider when writing the master plan:

- Should Richmond Row, Harris Park, Victoria Park and Eldon House, among others, be included in the downtown boundaries?

- What kind of downtown do Londoners want?

- How tall should new buildings be?

- Should there be new public facilities, such as a performing arts centre?

- How can the downtown attract a grocery store?

- Should there be more parking garages or 24-hour on-street parking?

- Should the city start a bike-share program or make more pedestrian walkways?

Planners will consider public input and the 55 previous reports written about the downtown and more about other parts of the city that have an effect on the core.

WHAT'S NEXT

January-May: Background work

May, June 22: Circulation of draft plan and meeting about the draft

June: Workshops, open house

July-September: Revisions to plan

October: Public meeting

Nov. 22: Final plan presented to board of control

Online: Go to www.london.ca/d.aspx?s=/Planning/downtown_town_plan.htm
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Old Posted Jan 27, 2009, 10:06 PM
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I like these one's

What kind of downtown do Londoners want?

- How tall should new buildings be?

- Should there be new public facilities, such as a performing arts centre?

- How can the downtown attract a grocery store?

- Should there be more parking garages or 24-hour on-street parking?
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On the Tillman Ruth website, there was a concept plan for this block that they designed in coordination with one of the big New Urbanist firms, DPZ. It had a 9 or 10 floor tower plus some townhouses, with an interior walkway and all of the older buildings preserved. The concept was prepared for Ivest, the owners of the block pre-Farhi.
I am really unimpressed by Farhi's design. It is way too tall, too bulky (!) and has little character (half-traditionalist, half-modern). The one thing that inspires me about this proposal is that Farhi has yet to build so much as a shack in London, Ontario, and the library site seems to be his preferred place to start building
Too tall? I think it's perfect.
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- How tall should new buildings be?

We need a 45-60 floor project at some point if we want to start having a real skyline. (something 150-200m)

- Should there be new public facilities, such as a performing arts centre?

Sure, if there's the money to do it.

- How can the downtown attract a grocery store?

Hasn't this already happened? If not, the answer is obviously more residential towers in a concentrated area.

- Should there be more parking garages or 24-hour on-street parking?

Parking garages are good if they aren't made to look like complete shit. It's better than more parking lots. Of course parking should be allowed on streets 24/7.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 3:41 AM
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I agree completly with what you just stated but we would need more than one 45+ tower otherwise it would just look okward.
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should London get a 45+ tower? yes eventually... but this won't happen for quite awhile. presently I don't think it would fit into the skyline. I think 35ish is best suited for what we have already and we can grow up from that.
That being said.. with the economic climate the way it is... developers are hesitant to build anything of that size in fear that they will be throwing money away... so for several years at least.. I don't see that size of developement happening. and when it does happen... for the love of God enough stucco already.

secondly I agree with the concept that there needs to be a more central grocery store.. I live downtown and it's a pain.

thirdly as it goes for parking structures, I totally disagree that open air parking is the way to go... it takes up way to much space that could be used for infill. Parking structures as we've seen with recent developements can blend in. 310 Dundas aka cityplace has above ground parking built in and I don't think it's unattractive.. or at least not anymore so from the rest of the building. Underground is pricy, but an effective way to keep parking out of sight, and again if the city is thinking long term.. it might be a good idea. The last thing we need is massive open spaces for parking. Yes it's cost effective... but ultimately wasteful.
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How big should downtown be?

- North of the CN tracks
- East of the river
- West of Waterloo Street up to Queens, then west of Wellington
- South of Central Ave west to Talbot, then south of Dufferin

Victoria Park would be included, as well as the main part of Harris Park closest to Queens Ave. City Hall would not be included, but the Convention Centre would be. Some of Richmond Row would be included but not the stretch north of Central Ave. And I think that's more than generous.
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Old Posted Jan 28, 2009, 4:04 PM
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I think the west end should extend to adelaid.
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Board gives green light to transportation plan

Board gives green light to transportation plan
Wed, January 28, 2009

By DEBORA VAN BRENK, SUN MEDIA

London could become the trade and transportation hub of Southwestern Ontario - but it has to move fast to do so, says London's chief administrator.

What London is best positioned for in "the next economy" is establishing a prime role in stimulus projects that highlight its natural geographic strengths, Jeff Fielding told board of control today.

"What I'm saying is you cannot afford unnecessary delay," Fielding said.

Included in the plan, endorsed in principle by the board, are plans for high-speed rail and developing partnerships that would include the airport, college and university.
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How big should downtown be?

- North of the CN tracks
- East of the river
- West of Waterloo Street up to Queens, then west of Wellington
- South of Central Ave west to Talbot, then south of Dufferin

Victoria Park would be included, as well as the main part of Harris Park closest to Queens Ave. City Hall would not be included, but the Convention Centre would be. Some of Richmond Row would be included but not the stretch north of Central Ave. And I think that's more than generous.
I don't think that the Downtown "boundaries" solve anything. They are unfortunately typical of the top-down, systems-style approach prevalent at City Hall. What the City needs is a very broad, loose definition of downtown, something like "the Central City" that would encompass a much larger area- Old East, Woodfield, Wortley Village, the South St Hospital, Richmond Row etc. Within this area, individual projects and programmes would be targetted to the areas in need. The current regimen creates an arbitrary border where little existed before (and where, ultimately none should exist*), and only serves to entrench that border by highly priviledging what's on the inside at the expense of what is immediately on the other side. Eventually, what this will do is to create a ring of low-value, "undesirable" land uses like surface lots, social services right outside the downtown border.


*The most successful cities do NOT tend to have well-defined neighbourhoods. This is because the sorts of things that define neighbourhoods - big parks, railway tracks, steep hills, rivers, industrial zones - are the sort of things whose impacts should be minimized through land use mixing and ample connections, or, in the case of man-made obstructions, should not have been there in the first place. This isn't to say that neighbourliness does not exist in these places, but rather that the psychological "across the tracks" limitations of some cities are minimized.

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Wed, January 28, 2009

By DEBORA VAN BRENK, SUN MEDIA

London could become the trade and transportation hub of Southwestern Ontario - but it has to move fast to do so, says London's chief administrator.

What London is best positioned for in "the next economy" is establishing a prime role in stimulus projects that highlight its natural geographic strengths, Jeff Fielding told board of control today.

"What I'm saying is you cannot afford unnecessary delay," Fielding said.

Included in the plan, endorsed in principle by the board, are plans for high-speed rail and developing partnerships that would include the airport, college and university.
You can find this info at http://www.london.ca/d.aspx?s=/meetings/.../2009-01-28%20Agenda/MeetingPackages.htm
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yah, I didn't really have anything to say because I was living out west, doesnt mean I haven't been keeping my eye on the forum hahaha.

I think the bounderies of Downtown are already fairly well established, but continuing with the trend that smaller shops and revitalizing old east should be persued. Wellington south of the tracks has alot of potential aswell and I think it's improving. plus the whole Goodwill project, has anyone heard anything more regarding that?
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Old Posted Jan 29, 2009, 3:08 AM
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City to be transport hub

Wed, January 28, 2009


London can position itself as an international transportation hub, but will have to act fast, the city’s chief administrator warns.

With the region’s manufacturing engine faltering, and the hunt on for replacements, Jeff Fielding today gave the city’s board of control a sweeping vision of London’s economic future.

A larger transportation role figures in that vision, but with other cities also chasing the $1 billion the federal government has set aside over five years for hard-hit southern Ontario, time is of the essence, he said.

“We have to have a strategy in place that looks to the next economy,” he said.

“There’s $1 billion on offer. We have to be ingenious to get a handle on this.”





Making London International Airport a central facility — handling regional, national and foreign freight through a major distribution centre — is part of the vision.

So is adding a truck-train facility, a so-called intermodal terminal, where three main rail lines meet near Komoka.

Close to the U.S. market, on the nation’s biggest highway system and cheaper to fly goods in and out of than most large Canadian cities, London has key advantages.

Another advantage will be added soon with the airport rolled into an open-skies agreement between Canada and the 27-member European Union, allowing London to go after more of billions of dollars a year in air passenger and freight traffic.

The airport was also recently approved for Ottawa's cargo trans-shipment program, allowing cargo to be moved duty-free through the airport from one country to another.

Fielding said London’s next economy could and should include partnerships with the airport, the city’s post-secondary schools and the South West Economic Alliance.

He said the plan becomes an even stronger possibility with the federal budget announcement of the $1 billion over five years for southern Ontario, money to flow from a new economic development fund.

Fielding said as much as 80 per cent of what’s produced here goes to the Toronto area, where it’s “up-manufactured” and then whizzes past London to U.S. and other markets.

London can decide it wants a bigger piece of that action.

Specific details can come later but not too much later, he said: Other centres are chasing the same pot of cash.

Mayor Anne Marie DeCicco-Best said local government traditionally has had great plans but not followed through.

“There is an urgency and I don’t think we can delay. I think we need to move as quickly as we can.”

Controller Gord Hume lauded it as a solid plan.

“We don’t need huge amounts of navel-gazing and blue-sky-ing and that sort of thing. Let’s get on with action.”

The federal budget included millions to improve rail service among Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto – because they lobbied for it, noted Dianne Cunningham, director of the Lawrence National Centre for Policy and Management at the Richard Ivey School of Business.

“Now, we’re never going to get it unless we scream for it,” she told the board, presenting a response by her and her students to Fielding’s strategy.

She said the plan for distribution centres and dedicated freight lines needs to reach everyone’s ears.

“The sense of urgency, in the students’ view, has not reached the government of Canada, the government of Ontario.”

"Our way of working has to change in the next three to five years" as government and institutions, not the private sector, lead spending, Fielding said.

That means it’s essential to form partnerships with the University of Western Ontario and Fanshawe College to regenerate the city and region.

“It’s time we got together and realized we have to consolidate our viewpoints.”

He said staff will report back with a detailed action plan, time frames, costs and funding sources.

Controllers expressed enthusiasm for the strategy but also want to make sure politicians and administrators think beyond re-working the faltering auto-based economy.

“What programs are going to be an investment into the jobs of the future?” Deputy Mayor Tom Gosnell asked.

He said short-term financial investment is important, but not at the expense of long-term thinking.

“London wants to position itself for the future. That’s the point of this program. It’s not for someone to say, ‘Well, I always wanted to fix that sewer on Emery (Street).”

OTHER PLAN ELEMENTS

Besides major airport and rail/trucking upgrades, the vision shared with city controllers yesterday includes:


Making better use of land available along the Highway 401/402 corridor and along Veteran’s Memorial Parkway.
Adding high-speed passenger rail through the region and a dedicated rail for freight.

Expanding Hwy. 7 through Perth County and connecting it with Hwy. 402.
Local technology and innovation partnerships with UWO and Fanshawe College.
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Old Posted Jan 30, 2009, 3:37 AM
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Red Apple buyer has big shine for future of core

Thu, January 29, 2009


Chris Kirwin has taken a bite out of the Red Apple.

The London real estate broker, vice-president and broker for Colliers International in London, has bought the former Red Apple discount store on Dundas Street. It will become a revamped commercial space with about 30 apartment units on the four floors above it.

"I think this is fantastic, I really believe in the downtown," said Kirwin. "There are more retailers downtown now and the John Labatt Centre and new library have contributed greatly to the core and its revitalization
."

The space at 140 Dundas St. is one of the few large vacant spaces available near the JLC, he added.

"There is a strong market for retail apartments downtown," he said.




Kirwin takes possession of the property in March. He declined to reveal the purchase price.

The units will be lower-cost, one-bedroom and bachelor apartments marketed toward people working in the downtown at restaurants and call centres, he said.

He added that the downtown is still attractive because investors are fleeing the volatile stock markets and looking to buy property in a down market, he added.

Retail store vacancy rates downtown have dropped to about eight per cent from 10 per cent about two years ago, he said.

The store itself is 10,000 square feet and there is another 27,000 square feet above that. Since the store fronts on both Dundas and Carling streets, it could be divided between two tenants, or offered as one larger space, Kirwin said.

The decor on the upper floors dates to the 1930s, when the space was offices for the old Metropolitan Department stores, Kirwin said.

"I don't think it has been touched in 40 years," he said.

Janette MacDonald, manager of MainStreet London, cheered the news, adding there's a demand for inexpensive apartment in the core.

"People want to live downtown and this is the kind of residential development we need," she said.

But she said she's also glad to have the street level commercial space sold and ready soon for a tenant.

"Dundas is the most important street in the downtown. It is our main street. It is historic and it does not look good if it has vacancies. To see that occupied would be a fantastic win," she said.
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London should be a world-class city in the heart of Southern Ontario. Hope you guys make the right choices for the future, and here's hoping you get more buildings and taller buildings downtown!
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Take London (ON), multiply it by 10, and maybe then, you would have something that could, very possibly, be a candidate for world-class.
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Good to hear someone's finally putting that piece of property to use.

And yeah, we're pretty far down the list of World Cities. Honestly, most people in our own country barely know we exist.
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went to the reniassance today and got som pics of the lobby
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