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Old Posted Mar 15, 2023, 3:47 PM
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That isn't accurate. Traffic counts have shown Portage and the Perimeter to have very similar traffic counts to St Marys and traffic is actually growing in volume there. The design of that stretch shows that even 6 lanes isn't sufficient and the plan is to have roughly 8 lanes of traffic between the Assiniboine and Portage, one lane each direction being to feed into the Portage diamond and 3 lanes of through traffic on both sides. Also it isn't an immediate six lanes but starting the process to move that direction. When the Roblin overpass went through it's overhaul shortly before the pandemic it was changed from 4 lanes to six lanes although two of them are currently ghost lanes. They took out the former middle pillar for the bridge and changed the walls under the bridge to be straight retaining walls instead of the slopes most underpasses have.

I noticed that. Does the 8-lane thing show up in any official documents?
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Old Posted Mar 15, 2023, 3:57 PM
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It's not actually a true 8 lanes. Its 6 through lanes with 2 lanes for ramps.
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I noticed that. Does the 8-lane thing show up in any official documents?
The ultimate design stages for this project show the 6 thru lanes, 2 exit/merge lanes for the Portage and Roblin interchanges.

https://www.gov.mb.ca/mit/hpd/pth100...s/segment1.pdf

The interim stage designs show the single bridge with 2 lanes in each direction.
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It's not actually a true 8 lanes. Its 6 through lanes with 2 lanes for ramps.
To be fair and fully transparent though the added ramp lanes are running for around 1km or maybe more. It is a massive change from how things have traditionally been done where there is almost no lane just an almost immediate entry/exit from a through lane. And on the NB flow four lanes run from at minimum north of Roblin to south of Portage including four lanes across the river bridge, so that is 2-3 km of continuous ramp lane. The SB flow has four lanes from south of Portage to just north of the Assiniboine River.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 7:04 PM
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To be fair and fully transparent though the added ramp lanes are running for around 1km or maybe more. It is a massive change from how things have traditionally been done where there is almost no lane just an almost immediate entry/exit from a through lane.
This issue you describe is some of the absolute lowest hanging of the low-hanging fruit in the Manitoba highway system. Correcting this (like at St. Mary & PTH 100 a couple years back) is cheap and makes a big difference in terms of overall safety.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 7:30 PM
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What they're not instantly dumping traffic from the ramps onto the mainline?! lol You're right.

It is the "interstate standard" highways always speaks of.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 7:41 PM
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^ They don't say that anymore, haha.
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 7:56 PM
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^ They don't say that anymore, haha.
Funny enough, in the centreport video, they refer to interstate quality highways as being within a 5 minute drive
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Old Posted Mar 16, 2023, 7:59 PM
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Oh dear, it lives...

"Interstate quality" using the loosest possible definition.

But I don't think the provincial government says it anymore, I don't remember seeing it in any news releases for a while?
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Hi can someone get behind the "wall" and retrieve the article?
https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/br...-trans-canada?
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Tree-clearing and other preliminary work is underway as Manitoba moves forward with a years-long, multimillion-dollar plan to twin the province’s last remaining undivided section of the Trans-Canada Highway.

One of the initial stages will align Manitoba’s side of the highway with Ontario’s twinning project, which began in June 2022, after more than a decade of talks.

The twinning of a nearly 20-kilometre stretch in Manitoba is still years away due, in part, to study and design work that will help to identify the optimal route, according to the government’s latest timelines.

“That’s going to be a very ambitious project because there’s a lot of Canadian Shield to work with,” Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Doyle Piwniuk said Friday.

The Manitoba government has not yet set a target for completing the project nor an estimated cost. The plan, intended to improve safety and reduce travel times, is part of a national trade strategy.

Sacha Harder is among the South Whiteshell residents who feel the twinning of the 20-km section is overdue.

“It definitely needs to get done. The highway is a bit of a death trap,” said Harder, who co-owns Tallpine Lodges at West Hawk Lake, about 140 km east of Winnipeg. “It will be very welcome. There’s a lot more traffic on the road than there used to be.”

Harder said any disruption caused by lengthy construction would be “tolerated” because it’s for a greater purpose. “I’m just curious as to how they’re actually going to twin it.”

Some spots along the existing highway, she noted, are between lakes and narrow.

Peter Lugli, whose brother Mark and nephew Jacob died in a head-on crash on the undivided section in July 2019, was pleased to learn of the progress.

The province committed to widening the highway after the Lugli family and other highway users called for improvements in a series of Free Press articles last year.

“Obviously, all of us, and those of us with family and friends in Manitoba and northwestern Ontario, all win with a speedier completion,” said Lugli, who lives in the United States. “It will be great when the next concrete step — shovels in the ground — actually takes place.

“It’ll be a relief to anyone in that area and those who travel through that stretch to see the inevitable ‘road under construction’ signage, with timing commitments on those signs.”

Mark, 54, and Jacob Lugli, 17, were on their way to Selkirk from their home in Dryden, Ont., when a tractor-trailer driver swerved into their lane while trying to avoid a rear-end collision.

Nine people were killed in collisions on the undivided highway between 2000 and 2020, the province wrote in response to a freedom of information request Peter Lugli submitted last year.

A spokeswoman for Manitoba Transportation and Infrastructure said the province is working with Ontario’s Ministry of Transportation on highway alignment at the provincial boundary.

Tree-clearing and other activities which began last week are due to finish by April 1, with more work to be completed by the fall of 2024.

Piwniuk said it includes twinning of a nearly one-km section.

Ontario is planning to divide its section of the Trans-Canada from the provincial boundary to the Kenora area.

It is hoping to complete the first phase — six km of twinned lanes from the provincial boundary to Highway 673 — by the end of 2024.

The phase has an estimated cost of up to $50 million, according to a list of projects in progress.

MTI is reviewing proposals for a conceptual design study for the twinning project, the spokeswoman said.

She said the study is expected to be completed in two years once a contract is awarded, with a functional design study to follow.

The government said it will consult Indigenous rights holders during the studies.

Piwniuk said Manitoba is looking to mirror parts of Ontario’s project to reduce the timeline.

The provinces could submit joint applications for federal funding as the neighbouring projects progress, according to the minister.

“If we do it together, I think we get more attention,” he said.

Among other projects in its five-year capital plan, MTI is going to add passing lanes and twin a 1.5-km section of Highway 6 between the Perimeter Highway and Grosse Isle.

The Safer Highway 6 Citizens Advisory Group, which met with Piwniuk last year, wants more passing lanes and wider shoulders on the northern part of the route, which links Winnipeg and Thompson.

“A lot of times in winter, people are scared to drive that road,” said group member and Thompson businessman Volker Beckmann.

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I suspect that twinning even 1 km will help a bit so that WB traffic can pass the trucks coming out that inspection station.
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MTI is reviewing proposals for a conceptual design study for the twinning project, the spokeswoman said.

She said the study is expected to be completed in two years once a contract is awarded, with a functional design study to follow.



That's got to be an error. They're doing a conceptual design study, then a functional design study??? Going to take 4-5 years to get a functional design?

As part of the same study, they should be determining the preferred routing (functional design part) and then produce a preliminary (conceptual, whatever they want to call it) design that can be used for the next phase or work. Next phase being detailed design and construction via design-build project (same as South Perimeter).
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I suspect that twinning even 1 km will help a bit so that WB traffic can pass the trucks coming out that inspection station.
It's also 5% of the 20km left to twin in Manitoba!
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Took a quick trip to the cottage near Kenora this weekend. All three of the bridges (overpass at Falcon lake, bridge over #301, and overpass at West Hawk are under going repairs. Does anyone know if this has anything to do with the highway twinning?

It's gonna be a traffic disaster going east this summer.
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Took a quick trip to the cottage near Kenora this weekend. All three of the bridges (overpass at Falcon lake, bridge over #301, and overpass at West Hawk are under going repairs. Does anyone know if this has anything to do with the highway twinning?

It's gonna be a traffic disaster going east this summer.
What are the traffic implications? 50 km/h construction zones? In both directions?
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What are the traffic implications? 50 km/h construction zones? In both directions?
Yep. They have one side of the bridge closed and re-routing traffic over onto the shoulders on one side. It's really going to be a nightmare for heavy traffic times when people are leaving Falcon Lake and travelling west to Winnipeg.

Pretty much plan your long weekends in NWO to include an extra day so you avoid the Sunday or Monday of long weekends.
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It's also 5% of the 20km left to twin in Manitoba!
Really wouldn't call there stretch through Headingley as "twinned".
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Yep. They have one side of the bridge closed and re-routing traffic over onto the shoulders on one side. It's really going to be a nightmare for heavy traffic times when people are leaving Falcon Lake and travelling west to Winnipeg.

Pretty much plan your long weekends in NWO to include an extra day so you avoid the Sunday or Monday of long weekends.
Thank you for that advice... long weekends can be wild at the best of times on that highway!
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Took a quick trip to the cottage near Kenora this weekend. All three of the bridges (overpass at Falcon lake, bridge over #301, and overpass at West Hawk are under going repairs. Does anyone know if this has anything to do with the highway twinning?

It's gonna be a traffic disaster going east this summer.
We were also out in Kenora on the weekend. I was under the impression that these were not long term projects. They have nothing to do with the twinning project. They have just been neglected for too many years. I believe they are timed to be complete by the summer, but I am not certain.
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