NEW YORK | 432 Park Avenue (Drake Hotel dev.) | (1,396) FT / 432 M | 89 FLOORS

[Totojuice]

Originally Posted by NYguy

As stated, City Planning has no restrictions on height, just bulk (or total size).

Although City Planning has no restrictions on height, the FAA does actually impose a 2000 foot height limit on buildings in New York City. Not to say that they wouldn't allow it, but the builder would have to get an FAA waiver or variance of some kind to allow anything over 2000 ft...

[Totojuice]

Originally Posted by NYguy

Looking at the cam, they seem to be working faster now. I wonder how long before they put up banners around the site proclaiming it New York's "tallest"...

That would be awesome. lol.

[babybackribs2314]

Wow at the speed of this.

The footings are now going in for the 57th Street retail component, as well as along the eastern side of the main tower. Work is progressing very quickly today, and there's tons of rebar on-site.

[photoLith]

Originally Posted by sbarn

Its freaking Coruscant, holy crap that is awesome. I hope each and every one of those towers is completed and more within 20 years! All you guys need now is to have The Chicago Spire rise in your city.

[NewYorkDominates]

Originally Posted by NYguy

(May 16, 2012)



www.432park.com

Where is the tower going to fit,since aren't the dimensions 100'x100'?The site looks more like (35'x25')+(25'x15')

[Roadcruiser1]

Originally Posted by Totojuice

Although City Planning has no restrictions on height, the FAA does actually impose a 2000 foot height limit on buildings in New York City. Not to say that they wouldn't allow it, but the builder would have to get an FAA waiver or variance of some kind to allow anything over 2000 ft...

There isn't a law like that. The FAA would want a reason why you are going to build something over 2,000 feet. They do allow buildings of over 2,000 feet to be built.

[scalziand]

Originally Posted by NewYorkDominates

Where is the tower going to fit,since aren't the dimensions 100'x100'?The site looks more like (35'x25')+(25'x15')

The size of the equipment being used is very deceiving. The part of the hole where the tower will rise is 5 townhouses wide making it 100'



Also, the ramp still covers part of the footprint of the tower.

[marshall]

Originally Posted by photoLith

Its freaking Coruscant, holy crap that is awesome. I hope each and every one of those towers is completed and more within 20 years! All you guys need now is to have The Chicago Spire rise in your city.

Amazing rendering. New York will have the coolest skyline in the world if all these towers are built. Just think how far we have come in just ten years. We now have 1WTC, and 432 Park is under construction...Hopefully more to follow soon. A question, in the New York 2030 rendering, what is the very tall building seen just to the right of the Empire State Building & 432 Park? It looks to be taller than both 1WTC and 432 Park. Thanks.

[TouchTheSky13]

Originally Posted by gramsjdg

I think they could make this building wider and more aesthetic without changing the footprint: Install cantilevered extensions between each floor, Frank Lloyd Wright style. That would effectively widen the building and create horizontal accents that would downplay the narrowness of the design. Like balconies on high-rise apartments but without the railings. The only issue might be that the view straight down would be a little more limited- but you would only need to extend each floorplate out 5 or 6 feet...

Yeah and not to mention a narrow, rectangular building is going to have to be constructed to withstand winds in excess of 60-80 mph and the vortexes that coinside with winds of that magnitude. I sure hope that the engineers have thought of a way to counteract this type of resonance. That would be hell living that high up and feeling your 1400 ft. tall home tilt ever so slightly like that.

[babybackribs2314]

Originally Posted by marshall

Amazing rendering. New York will have the coolest skyline in the world if all these towers are built. Just think how far we have come in just ten years. We now have 1WTC, and 432 Park is under construction...Hopefully more to follow soon. A question, in the New York 2030 rendering, what is the very tall building seen just to the right of the Empire State Building & 432 Park? It looks to be taller than both 1WTC and 432 Park. Thanks.

That's an old proposal for two towers atop MSG, one of which would've topped 1,600' (I believe).

[Totojuice]

Originally Posted by Roadcruiser1

There isn't a law like that. The FAA would want a reason why you are going to build something over 2,000 feet. They do allow buildings of over 2,000 feet to be built.

Name one.

Point is not that it is impossible, point is that there are FAA restrictions above 2000 feet.

Originally Posted by Nomadd22

The FAA presumption against construction of structures over a certain height is set forth in the FAA rules. A proposed structure or an alteration to an existing structure that exceeds 2,000 feet in height above the ground will be presumed to be a hazard to air navigation and to result in an inefficient utilization of airspace and the applicant has the burden of overcoming that presumption. Each notice submitted under the FAA rules proposing a structure in excess of 2,000 feet above ground must contain a detailed showing, directed to meeting this burden. Only in exceptional cases, where the FAA concludes that a clear and compelling showing has been made that it would not result in an inefficient utilization of the airspace and would not result in a hazard to air navigation, will a determination of no hazard be issued. See 14 CFR § 77.17(c).

[scalziand]

Originally Posted by marshall

A question, in the New York 2030 rendering, what is the very tall building seen just to the right of the Empire State Building & 432 Park? It looks to be taller than both 1WTC and 432 Park. Thanks.

sbarn thoughtfully provided a key for his rendering. I think you are referring to the Madison Square Garden towers, which would have been 1200'-1400'.

Originally Posted by sbarn

[scalziand]

Originally Posted by Totojuice

Name one.

Point is not that it is impossible, point is that there are FAA restrictions above 2000 feet.

There's a handfull of radio towers that are over 2000', some grandfathered, some not, and the Chicago World Trade Center got permission from the FAA for about 2300'.

[Zapatan]

Originally Posted by babybackribs2314

That's an old proposal for two towers atop MSG, one of which would've topped 1,600' (I believe).

Is that still an active proposal?

[Totojuice]

Originally Posted by scalziand

There's a handfull of radio towers that are over 2000', some grandfathered, some not, and the Chicago World Trade Center got permission from the FAA for about 2300'.

Roadcruiser's point was around buildings not radio towers.

Fact is, there are no buildings in the US over 2000 feet. Why that is the case could be a combination of cost, desire, and FAA red tape -- who knows. But at the end of the day the fact remains:

1. There are FAA restrictions for construction over 2000 feet.
2. You do need a waiver/exception to build beyond this height in the US.

How awesome would it be to get a SOM architect to do a live chat with us or something

[marshall]

Originally Posted by scalziand

sbarn thoughtfully provided a key for his rendering. I think you are referring to the Madison Square Garden towers, which would have been 1200'-1400'.

Well even if the only newer supertalls New York actually has by 2030 are 1WTC & 432 Park, that will be a big impact on the skyline!

[meh_cd]

Yeah, the tallest transmission towers are in ND, but that is because there is nothing there. It's flat. The entire surrounding area around those two particular towers is farmland and there are no airport approaches nearby. I'm sure we'll get another 2000 foot structure in the US in the future, but to be honest I don't particularly care either way. NYC in particular has a ton of both large and small airports in the area that might make it difficult. Not saying that it will never happen, though.

The tallest KVLY transmission tower in ND also has, if I remember correctly, the longest transmission range (AM radio) in North America.

[Eidolon]

Originally Posted by sbarn

Excellent work sbarn!

However, I feel that midtown will have several supertalls by 2030 if the current rezoning scheme goes through and the far west side will almost certainly have several that we currently have no knowledge of. The far west may even be home to New York's tallest when the convention center gets redeveloped a few years down the road.

Truly exciting times we live in

[NYguy]

Originally Posted by Totojuice

Point is not that it is impossible, point is that there are FAA restrictions above 2000 feet.

That's a misconception. People don't just put up 2,000 ft towers for the hell of it, that's the reason you don't and won't see a lot of them going up in the US. But we're getting off the point here. I believe there's an active discussion on this topic over in the B&A forum.

Originally Posted by NewYorkDominates

Where is the tower going to fit,since aren't the dimensions 100'x100'?The site looks more like (35'x25')+(25'x15')

Here's how the main shaft fits on the site...

[NYC GUY]

^^^
93' by 93' that's well ............thin. For a building I guess.