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Old Posted Feb 22, 2019, 8:55 PM
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I'd like to see the other submissions. Did these guys just royalty cheap out on the stations?
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2019, 9:00 PM
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Anyone else less-than-excited to peruse this site now that phase 1 is potentially a disaster? Let's say that phase 1 is delayed another year; do you think they will just start construction on Phase 2 regardless?
Based on the Stage 2 bids, my enthusiasm level is now at an all-time low. The City is royally incompetent and can't do anything right. This is a disaster.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2019, 9:19 PM
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So does the City just automatically pick the lowest bidder or do they go through the contracts to really analyse what's best?

Clearly, they don't take into considerations bidders track records if SNC was picked for Trillium.
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2019, 9:33 PM
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I don't mind the rendering for Westboro station and the immediate area. I like the bike lanes and how green it is.

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I have shared the news release from the Stage2LRT technical briefing today on O-Train Fans here:
https://www.otrainfans.ca/blogs/city...red-proponents
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Old Posted Feb 22, 2019, 11:13 PM
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LRT Stage 2 now $1.2B more than projected; SNC-Lavalin, American-French consortium recommended as builders

Taylor Blewett, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: February 22, 2019




Embattled construction group SNC-Lavalin has been selected as one of the recommended proponents to build Stage 2 of the city’s light-rail transit system — a project which has ballooned in projected cost by $1.2 billion — Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson announced Friday.

The announcement comes while SNC is at the centre of controversy around the PMO’s alleged political pressure on then-Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould in her handling of the criminal prosecution of the Quebec company.

Watson announced that after a three-year procurement process, the city has chosen TransitNEXT (made up of Montreal-based SNC-Lavalin) to work on the next $1.6-billion phase of the north-south Trillium Line, which will see it extended to Riverside South.

East West Connectors (made up of American construction company Kiewit and French builder and transit operator Vinci) has been selected to handle the next phase of the east-west Confederation Line, which will bring it out to Orléans on one end and Algonquin College in the other.

In contrast to the $3.4-billion Stage 2 LRT construction cost estimated in 2017, the city now says the project will cost $4.6 billion due to changes in scope and market pressures that have driven up the cost.

The first phase of the Confederation Line is slated for handover to the city March 31, but the mayor and transit head John Manconi have voiced doubts that the builder Rideau Transit Group can achieve that deadline.

Construction on LRT Stage 2 — which will bump the number of stations from 19 to 41 — is expected to begin in 2019.

The city said the completion of Stage 2 will bring 77 per cent of residents within five kilometres of light rail.

City staff said the province has confirmed it’s still on board for a $1-billion contribution to LRT Phase 2, and an announcement and formal agreement will be arranged in the near future.

Chris Swail, the city’s director for the Stage 2 project, said the city needs council approval and executive agreements in place with the provincial and federal governments by the end of March, to ensure they can lock in with the selected proponents at the prices they’ve put on the table.

“We have to move quickly, unfortunately,” Swail said.

Stage 2 of the Confederation Line is expected to be delayed — initially, the city cited a completion date of 2023, but said Friday it would be 2025.

Coun. Diane Deans suggested the city needs to check with Ottawa residents to determine if they’re still on board with LRT Stage 2, given the project changes announced Friday.

Deans also questioned why the city would “reward” SNC-Lavalin with a contract for Stage 2 given their involvement in the delay-plagued first phase of the Confederation Line.

Swail answered that “running a procurement process is not about rewarding anyone … whoever has the strongest bid in the process evaluation is the winner.”

Deans also alluded to the company’s ongoing legal issues, asking: “Given their more precarious position now, and the potential for loss of income in the future … could that create a jeopardy for us and delay the project if they get in more trouble?”

The city will also be applying some hard-earned Stage 1 lessons to Stage 2, including stronger penalties if “projection completion notifications” are missed; a better idea of cost management; and “expanded mobility matters” to include pedestrians and cyclists.

The report on Stage 2 will come before committee on Wednesday. Council will vote on it March 6.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...or-lrt-stage-2
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All images are extracted from here.

Westboro


Dominion


Cleary


New Orchard


Lincoln Fields


Iris


Algonquin


Queensview


Pinecrest


Bayshore


Moodie
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The presentation with high resolution pictures is now available: https://www.stage2lrt.ca/wp-content/...0190222_EN.pdf
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2019, 7:07 PM
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Weird to think about, so the trains will just sit for 2 years? Can't imagine thats great for them.
Part of the Trillium Line contract includes doing a full overhaul of the 6 LINTs. Even if they do sit for two years (or a while) they'll still be in good shape for returning to service.

Aside from just repairing any damage these winters must have done to them (and just age in general) I wonder if they'll also be receiving some small upgrades. Maybe operator-operated doors? Maybe PTC? (The FLIRTs will apparently come equipped with PTC so it would make sense to have a fully compatible fleet). Who knows.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2019, 7:14 PM
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Wondering if the current project “lessons learned” are part of the extra cost? Assuming lessons were actually learned.
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2019, 8:24 PM
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Weird to think about, so the trains will just sit for 2 years? Can't imagine thats great for them.
I'd imagine they wouldn't be sitting for the full 2 years. Since there'll be sections of rail being worked on south of the current terminus, i'd imagine there may be some testing/training/keeping up to date on using the trains while stuff is going on. Especially since i'd imagine all operators will need to know how to use with the Lints and the Flirts (and the new ones i'd imagine we'd be getting, since i do think they'll be more than 6 trains on the entire line at once).
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2019, 10:33 PM
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Doesn't look like it. They intend to go through with the full thing and the city will take on the additional $1 billion.

https://twitter.com/meganshawCTV/sta...38910599127042
They plan to vote fast and no municipal elections mean the council can do what they want.

This is essentially a doubling of the city’s portion. How do we not talk about cutting stations and especially spurs that will mess up scheduling anyway. (I say this as someone who always wanted an airport connection as it’s the only portion I would use)

We are looking at a huge debt load equivalent to more than a years property tax revenue ($1.6B). That’s crazy!
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2019, 11:45 PM
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They moved Cleary Station. It used to be where the strip mall is. Now it's in the linear park.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2019, 12:59 AM
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They moved Cleary Station. It used to be where the strip mall is. Now it's in the linear park.
Yes, it looks that way. I don't know how accurate the rendering is, but in the background it depicts the red brick apartment complex on the south side of Byron, between Sherbourne Rd and Lockhart Ave, which is a good 200m further southwest than the original station location at Redwood Ave.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.38065...7i13312!8i6656
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2019, 2:14 AM
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If we're moving stations, Lincoln Fields should be put under Carling
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Yes and no. While it is expensive I'd hope we on here are some of the most optimistic on the benefits that transit infrastructure like this can bring.

I don't know what the Confederation Line Stage 1 looked like but, I know the ION in Waterloo is said to have played a big role in billions of dollars of development going on along the corridor. I imagine Ottawa could easily see more giving its larger size and relative lack of high rise development.

That's a lot of tax revenue that you are inviting by encouraging that development. There's also probably a significant positive economic impact for the airport.
That Ion study that determined there was 2.1 billion in investment only included 300M in building permits. They were basically just adding up real estate transactions over a 5 year period.

We have seen lots of talk about development along the Confederation Line but few shovels in the ground. AFAIK there is only one building actually under construction (an apartments building across the street from the Walmart at Blair station).
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2019, 10:08 AM
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Agreed that the relative lack of new projects for the eastern part of the Confederation Line has been disappointing especially since the City did pre-planning work to support TOD. The Western extension has a lot more potential with new stations (not just conversions), more desirable locations, and fewer issues with previous industrial uses.
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