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Old Posted Dec 18, 2007, 11:03 PM
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Thank for the screen shots! They make the building look even more promising! Hopefully they don't end up "dumbing down" the design before construction, I think it works quite well as is. Love the columns and stairs at the front facade, they invoke a very strong image of classical-revival courthouses, very nice IMO. I might just have to get myself arrested so I can see the inside...

The police headquarters looks a bit more generic, but fine. Reminds me a bit of the INCO Innovation Centre here in St. John's.


One question of clarification: Does this new courthouse mean that the provincial building on Charlotte St (by Horsfield) will be vacated? I was under the impression that this was the case, but I haven't heard it officially.
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As I understand it, the new courthouse will basically be replacing the spread out provincial courts around the city (3rd floor city hall, charlotte st and i think the old courthouse on sydney still functions to some degree, although this is more a historical site than anything).
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Some screenshots from CTV



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This is merely an observation and I fully understand that what we are looking at is preliminary however, has anybody noted that the top of the proposed police facility resembles that of a guard tower?!?!

I'm liking the Justice complex look
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Very stately!
To be honest, I wouldn't expect anything more from a public justice building.
It isn't what I would call a high rise, but if the actual building ends up resembling the renderings, it will have set a modern quality standard for further development in the area.
I like it!
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One question of clarification: Does this new courthouse mean that the provincial building on Charlotte St (by Horsfield) will be vacated? I was under the impression that this was the case, but I haven't heard it officially.[/QUOTE]

Kwajo - Yes, there was an article in the newspaper sometime ago that indicated that the 3 current courthouses will all be merged into the new facility. The courts at City Hall, Charlotte Street and Kings Square together. Of course, the province owns the building on Charlotte which incidently is currently occupied by other facets of the Provincial Government (ie: New Brunswick Rentalman's office) hence, it will be interesting to see if they plant additional Government offices in it or if they try and sell it. Time will tell.
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The gov't building on charlotte st. is quite dated looking....i'd hope the site gets sold and redevelopped into something more functional and residentially oriented (a la leinster st., perhaps???)
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not to get off topic but a couple pics from the storm







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I found a photo of one particular proposal for the area North of Union Street (courthouse, etc.). Interesting to note that the ABEC and the Synagogue are still there, which were my main concerns, and they seem to want to fill the parking lots and remove some of the decrepit buildings.



Interestingly, I got this from a website of people completely opposed to the development. It's always funny how the people against something always have better information than those in favour lol

Alright so now I have a clear picture of what the courthouse is going to look like and I can see in in this rendering now... NOW,, the police station? is that the one that looks like it's attached to the APEC? the parking complex looks like it's part of that highrise which from that angle looks like it would become the tallest in Saint John... what is that supposed to be? Private Developement, Irving HQ????
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Partnership will build courthouse
Justice Province to seek proposals from developers to build $47-million structure at former Y location and lease new complex back to government

John Mazerolle
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Published Wednesday December 19th, 2007
Appeared on page C1

SAINT JOHN - The province unveiled its portion of the police-justice complex north of Union Street Tuesday, releasing drawings of the $47-million courthouse and giving final commitment to building on the site of the former YMCA-YWCA.

"This is the worst-kept secret in the world," said Saint John East MLA Roly MacIntyre, minister of Supply and Services. "I've announced it about four times."

There was plenty of new information, however.

Standing in a ballroom at the Delta Brunswick hotel, MacIntyre told a crowd of about 100 politicians, community leaders, judges and lawyers that the five-storey justice building will be built through a private-public partnership.

"Similar to the Moncton courthouse, we will be asking private developers to come forward and demonstrate their expertise and experience, as well as capacity to develop this project for Saint John," he said, noting that the Moncton courthouse had received nine bids. "They must be able to construct, own, finance, and operate the new facility and lease it back to the province."

The police-justice complex is the province's portion of what is expected to be an approximately $100-million development, which will include the courthouse, a public green space, a new police headquarters built by the city, and a parking garage. The justice building is meant to increase security while amalgamating three often-inadequate courthouses spread throughout the city. It will also accommodate the eventual closure of courts in Hampton and Sussex.

The large building will have a significant impact on the look of the city, and it's hoped the complete police-justice project will revitalize an often tired-looking Union Street. As Justice Minister and Attorney General T.J. Burke put it, "It will transform the face of the city and the skyline of uptown Saint John."

MacIntyre said the Liberal government has allocated $2.4 million to "advance the design work" and develop a request for proposals for construction of the courthouse.

MacIntyre said the Y will be torn down in the next couple of months, and the courthouse should open in 2010. The courthouse will be 11,655 square metres, with 13 courtrooms and office space for the judiciary, court services, public prosecutions, the Barristers Society, sheriff services, Public Safety, and policing.

MacIntyre said the province will not scuttle the historic Sydney Street courthouse when it closes, and the government won't sell the building unless it can be assured that a private owner will save the building's heritage aspects, including its spiral staircase.

The conceptual drawing unveiled at the news conference showed a building with columns and a staircase in front, lots of windows, and an angular design that still avoids the boxiness that has caused controversy at other developments in Saint John, including the Human Resources Development Canada building at the old General Hospital site.

Architect Malcolm Boyd of Murdock Boyd Architects said the fourth and fifth levels will house the Court of Queen's Bench, while the third and main level will house provincial court, with other offices below. The structure will be built into a hillside, since there is a substantial slope downward from Hazen Avenue to the Mercantile Centre.

Boyd says the exterior of the building will be stone or precast concrete, with marble or granite columns. The building will have lots of natural light, even in courtrooms, he said.


Much of the interior of the buildings will be in triplicate, to keep the public, the judiciary, and the accused separate. For instance, there are three sets of elevators, one for each group. While most of the staff at the building will likely use the parking garage that is part of the complete project, judges will be able to park their cars underground.

The design stresses safety, but Boyd said that the three-storey lobby inside the entrance will be flexible enough to act as a public space for ceremonies.

The building does not have an entrance for prisoners, nor its own holding cells. They will be in the police station.

The province says the final details would have to be built into the public-private partnership, but Mayor Norm McFarlane said he expects the province and the city will be sharing costs of the detention centre, the parking garage, a tunnel between the two buildings, and the area where prisoners are brought to the building.

The city is also considering connecting both facilities to the parking garage through pedways.

The development as a whole generated some controversy in the past several weeks, as Deputy Mayor Michelle Hooton and some community leaders said the project had moved along too far without public consultation. City manager Terry Totten promised in the 2008 budget that the city will take great care to ensure that citizens' concerns will be dealt with.

Hooton and the police-justice steering committee seem to have stopped feuding. Coun. Chris Titus, a committee member, said during budget discussions Monday that Hooton had brought the proper context to the discussion by pushing for public consultations.

Further, Hooton said she was happy with the design of the provincial building as presented Tuesday. "You look at that building, and you see the Y there now, and it's kind of remarkable," she said.

The city plans to spend $4.4 million on its portion of the project in 2008, most of that money being used to buy land. The heavier construction costs for the city's portion will be in 2009 and 2010 - about $20 million each year.
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St. Andrew's Park - Re-development

For Immediate Release – December 18th, 2007

(Saint John, NB) – On Monday evening, Saint John Common Council awarded a $635,380 to Castle Rock Construction Services Inc. for the construction of St. Andrews Park. Construction is expected to begin in the New Year and will be overseen by the city’s Municipal Operations department. St. Andrews Park located directly across from City Hall will receive significant enhancements. The entrance will feature the relocated Barbour’s General Store, an authentic nineteenth-century country store featuring over 2,000 artifacts. The park will also feature the Little Red Schoolhouse and John Hooper's famous sculpture People Waiting.

In the past, investments to Harbour Passage have proven to act as a catalyst bringing new development to the city. Over the next 15 years, waterfront development planners anticipate private sector investment leading to over $200 million being added to the city’s tax base.

“We are very appreciative of the support and the cooperation between all partners on this project,” said Bill MacMackin, President of Saint John Waterfront Development. “Having a good first impression doesn’t only make sense from a tourism perspective, it goes a long way to making a positive statement of this entire region as a place to live, visit, and invest in.”

Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency's Innovative Communities Fund will provide $2 million in funding for the design, construction and landscaping of pedestrian areas encompassing “The Bay of Fundy Cruise Welcome Centre”. The Province of New Brunswick, through the Regional Development Corporation, is providing $400,000; and the City of Saint John is contributing $1.1 million towards the undertaking.
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I wonder if there are any renderings of the area. I hope three sisters park starts soon as well. We just keep getting good news day in and day out. HOPEFULLY next we see a better cruiseship welcome center rendering and them breaking fround in the next month or so.
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This is merely an observation and I fully understand that what we are looking at is preliminary however, has anybody noted that the top of the proposed police facility resembles that of a guard tower?!?!
Yeah, they're still in negotiations with Tim Hortons for that spot...

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For Immediate Release – December 18th, 2007

(Saint John, NB) – On Monday evening, Saint John Common Council awarded a $635,380 to Castle Rock Construction Services Inc. for the construction of St. Andrews Park. Construction is expected to begin in the New Year and will be overseen by the city’s Municipal Operations department. St. Andrews Park located directly across from City Hall will receive significant enhancements. The entrance will feature the relocated Barbour’s General Store, an authentic nineteenth-century country store featuring over 2,000 artifacts. The park will also feature the Little Red Schoolhouse and John Hooper's famous sculpture People Waiting.
Good to hear this is getting some funding / attention; the site is so central (and visible) that we really can't afford not to spruce it up a little...
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The newest phase of Bentley Crossing is looking quite nice...these buildings are much larger than the phase 1 units....nice big (? 2 story) windows facing out along the harbour....lots of "sold" signs already appearing on the wooden frames...
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[QUOTE=michael_d40;3235737]Partnership will build courthouse
Justice Province to seek proposals from developers to build $47-million structure at former Y location and lease new complex back to government

John Mazerolle
Telegraph-Journal
Published Wednesday December 19th, 2007
Appeared on page C1

SAINT JOHN - The province unveiled its portion of the police-justice complex north of Union Street Tuesday, releasing drawings of the $47-million courthouse and giving final commitment to building on the site of the former YMCA-YWCA.


MacIntyre said the Y will be torn down in the next couple of months, and the courthouse should open in 2010. The courthouse will be 11,655 square metres, with 13 courtrooms and office space for the judiciary, court services, public prosecutions, the Barristers Society, sheriff services, Public Safety, and policing.

MacIntyre said the province will not scuttle the historic Sydney Street courthouse when it closes, and the government won't sell the building unless it can be assured that a private owner will save the building's heritage aspects, including its spiral staircase.


The design stresses safety, but Boyd said that the three-storey lobby inside the entrance will be flexible enough to act as a public space for ceremonies.

The city is also considering connecting both facilities to the parking garage through pedways.
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Is this parking garage going to be also available for public usage? If they are talking about connecting it via pedways (and i assume to the rest of the "inside connection" pedway network) I certainly would hope that this would be a several hundred car garage (market or brunswick square size)....it would go a long way to addressing the lack of parking uptown...


Also - good to see that the historic value of the Sydney St. courts is not being overlooked...
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Also - good to see that the historic value of the Sydney St. courts is not being overlooked...
It damn well better not be overlooked, it's one of the oldest buildings in the city (survived the Great Fire), and is a fabulous looking structure right on King Square, and that's not even mentioning its unique staircase's heritage value.

Plus, if you go behind the courthouse during a full moon, to where the Gallows used to be, you can sometimes see the ghosts of criminals form Saint John's dark past. You just can't mess with that kind of heritage!
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merry x mas to all....and here's to '08 being a year of forward momentum....for both new projects entering the planning stages and current projects entering the contruction phases...
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merry x mas to all....and here's to '08 being a year of forward momentum....for both new projects entering the planning stages and current projects entering the contruction phases...
Thx, and same from me...Merry Xmas and New Year and stuff...
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